Do people actually speak in Tongues (for real) anymore?

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RickyZ

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I understand full well that speaking in tongues is an actual spiritual gift, and am in no way implying that it didn't (or even doesn't still) happen. However, there seem to be a lot of people who are just fakers at this gift that do it for attention or as an emotional outburst, but not from God.

In fact, I have never met a Christian in my life yet who had the ability to (as far as I can tell) really speak in tongues. Maybe they were and just needed an interpreter, so I don't know. But every time I've actually heard somebody speak in "tongues" I can tell that these people are struggling with trying to make up words that sound like language or are talking just plain gibberish.

At any rate, not having an interpreter around to translate and make edification of the other worshipers (including myself) possible is really not ideal, practically speaking. I believe there are actually scriptures concerning that point. How can the other Christians that do not understand what the speaker is saying receive admonishment and encouragement from what is being said if there is no one to interpret?

That said, I do not believe I have ever met a person in my life who has spoken in real tongues. Nor have I met anyone who claims to have met such a person. Those who have "used the gift" in front of me were obviously posers, so I'm really beginning to think this whole speaking in tongues thing is really just not that prominent anymore.

And what's the use? I just look at the speakers who apparently "have the gift" like they're insane most of the time anyway!

Seriously, is there anybody out there who really speaks in tongues anymore, and where could I find an interpreter for such people? The "tongue speakers" are rare to be sure, but the "interpreter people" seem to be practically non-existant.

How can I learn spiritual truth from someone whom I can't understand? And how can I tell they are actually saying anything (or what they are saying) without an interpreter? Plus, any unbeliever that comes in and here's these people just thinks that they're high on drugs anyway! To me, this whole tongues thing seems to be getting counterproductive to the Cause of Christ unless we start getting some interpreters.
In 1 Cor 14 Paul talks about the difference between public and private tongues, ie Prophecy and 'prayer language'. A prophetic tongue requires interpretation and at the Pentecost event it was those who heard them speaking in their own languages who were the interpreters. But not all tongues in the Bible were so accompanied, nor does Paul ever say they have to be, unless they are public.

What would be the purpose of a tongue, as in the 'prayer language' meaning? Say you are praying for someone, but you don't know everything about their situation. If you knew all the details you could bring them to God, but you don't so you can't. But the Holy Spirit knows them. So if you allow the Holy Spirit to pray thru you, you may 'bring unspeakable things to light'. Likewise, suppose something's going down somewhere and the Holy Spirit needs someone to pray over it. You'd pray over it, if you knew, but how are you going to know? The Holy Spirit knows, and by allowing the Spirit to pray thru us we may intercede in things we know nothing about.

And then there's the origin of 'tongues'. As man's numbers grew after creation he had a single spiritual language. It was one of the few things he kept out of the fall, and it persisted until the tower of Babel (Gen 11:1 – 8). When the Messiah returns to restore all that man has lost, one of those things restored will be that pure singular spiritual language (Zeph 3:9). Christ has won the authority to restore all things, but has yet to return to this world to enforce it. Tongues are a way for us to access that future restored language now, thru the Holy Spirit, so that we may enforce His authority for Him.

Where it talks about tongues 'ceasing' (1 Cor 13:8-10 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.), it's not that the tongue will stop, but it will cease to be known as a tongue, because it will be instead our native language when Christ returns. At that point English (French German whatever) would be known as the tongue, since they would be the 'outsider' languages. Completeness is yet to come, perfection is yet to come, not in the heavenlies but here on earth. And so the gifts end when Christ returns and bring completeness to us, because at that point they become moot. We won’t need the gift of healing anymore when nobody’s getting sick anymore.

Tongues are not necessary for salvation, nor should it be demanded as proof of Spiritual Baptism. As with all gifts of the Spirit, it is available to all but not required of any... although Paul wished that we all would do so, and God does talk about those who hide their lights under bushels (Mark 4:21, Matt 5:15, Luke 11:33), and bury their talents in the ground (Matt 25:14-28). And the gifts, while not required, are effective in helping produce the fruits of the Spirit that are required. Let me propose that again, the gifts of the Spirit are intended to help us produce the fruits of the Spirit. These include discerningly placed tongues.

Given a good thing, we humans will find some way to screw it up. We will over-use, over-sell, and over-the-top it. That's just our nature. That's when outsiders start thinking we're crazy, and that's where Paul tells some to put a leash on it.
Place and moderation are key to tongues being useful vs being foolish. And being foolish with God’s gifts is never a good idea.

And that includes denying them.
 
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For he that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [musterion-secrets] 1 Co. 14:2 (He that speaks = man - the man speaking doesn't understand)

Break it down: For he [the man] that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man [he] doesn't understand howbeit [because] in the spirit he [the man] speaks mysteries which is in line with For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful [14:14]

IF someone [not the one speaking - someone in the assembly] understands the language, it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.

The apostles DID NOT KNOW the language they spoke - they spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance - AGAIN that is why the people were CONFOUNDED because that every man heard the apostles speak in his own language - the apostles did not KNOW the language - the people were AMAZED and stated - Aren't these men Galileans? Basically, how are they speaking in our languages the wonderful works of God?

This is really fruitless because you doubt all of this . . . I can only hope someone reading may be learning something!!
Just a question....How many foreign language speaking people do you have in your church? Do they ALL speak English? and or understand English?
 
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Matthew 5:7
7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.


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But while he has thus far thought of prayer as an external act, he now speaks of the substance of the prayers offered, the δέ indicating a transition to another aspect of the same subject. Use not vain repetitions; "Babble not much" (Tyndale). The word used (μὴβατταλογήσητε) is probably onomatopoeic of stuttering. The Peshito employs here the same root () as for μογιλάλος, Mark 7:32 (). But from the primary sense of stuttering, βατταλογεῖν, naturally passed to that of babbling in senseless repetitions.
 
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Matthew 5:7
7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.



Pulpit commentary
But while he has thus far thought of prayer as an external act, he now speaks of the substance of the prayers offered, the δέ indicating a transition to another aspect of the same subject. Use not vain repetitions; "Babble not much" (Tyndale). The word used (μὴβατταλογήσητε) is probably onomatopoeic of stuttering. The Peshito employs here the same root () as for μογιλάλος, Mark 7:32 (). But from the primary sense of stuttering, βατταλογεῖν, naturally passed to that of babbling in senseless repetitions.

Matthew 6:7

7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
sorry for the typo ran out of time editing.......Matthew 6:7
 
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Just a question....How many foreign language speaking people do you have in your church? Do they ALL speak English? and or understand English?
As far as I know all speak English - I don't normally go around asking people what languages they speak and understand! :cool:

I don't see where that is an issue.
 
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As far as I know all speak English - I don't normally go around asking people what languages they speak and understand! :cool:

I don't see where that is an issue.
Point being...that when the Apostle spoke in his own language God allowed the nationalities and languages present to understand in their own language....if everyone speaks the same language there is no reason for someone to stand up and babble.....The gift of (glossa) was the gift of a LANGUAGE so one could teach about JESUS and the way.....it was not some jibberish.......as is seen in most situations.....and on top of that it would be similar and in like manner if a Russian and a Chinese came to your assembly and your pastor got up, preached in his own language and the Russian and the Chinese were able to understand......MY objection is based upon the rigmarole that takes place in so called churches to this day...someone standing up going on some rant and rave while speaking some mumbo jumbo...that is not what took place in the bible....Either one could understand in their own language and or ONE had the ability to speak a language that they had not studied and or could not speak otherwise....

You SISITER, You know I have nothing against you personally and we agree on many things so don't think I have a problem with you personally because I don't...... ;)
 
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Galatians 5:22,23
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
 

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I believe some of the people who practice speak in tongues are counterfeit but some are real.

I read some people argue that after we have bible in writing, there is no need for speak in tongues.

examine the purpose of speak in tongues not only to preach the gospel, but also for pray, so I think we need it. And we still need preach the gospel though we have bible in writing.

Just like we need pray after we have bible.
 
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Point being...that when the Apostle spoke in his own language God allowed the nationalities and languages present to understand in their own language....if everyone speaks the same language there is no reason for someone to stand up and babble.....
Scripture says it is for edifying the body of believers
The gift of (glossa) was the gift of a LANGUAGE so one could teach about JESUS and the way.....it was not some jibberish.......as is seen in most situations.....and on top of that it would be similar and in like manner if a Russian and a Chinese came to your assembly and your pastor got up, preached in his own language and the Russian and the Chinese were able to understand......
I agree it is a language - a language given by the Spirit and not jibberish. Tongues is not a gift but a "manifestation" of the Spirit - words have definitive meanings - manifestation does not mean gift. A gift is individually given - a manifestation is an evidence, a showing forth, of something that a person already has - given to every man [believer]. There are spiritual gifts which include holy spirit such as the God-given ministries, apostle, prophet, etc. then also the gift of salvation, the gift of everlasting life. Just to use an example - a Swiss army knife has multiple purposes - many come with two different size blades, two screwdrivers, a can opener, an awl, scissors, a file, and tweezers . . It is one item but hidden within are multiple tools [manifestations] - When I open the Philips screwdriver [I manifest - bring it forth] it profits me when I use it - that is how the gift of holy spirit is - one gift with nine manifestations. [12:7]
MY objection is based upon the rigmarole that takes place in so called churches to this day...someone standing up going on some rant and rave while speaking some mumbo jumbo...that is not what took place in the bible....Either one could understand in their own language and or ONE had the ability to speak a language that they had not studied and or could not speak otherwise....
I agree things done today in a lot of churches have degraded the manifestation of tongues and interpretation to the point that people do not even believe that it comes from God.
You SISITER, You know I have nothing against you personally and we agree on many things so don't think I have a problem with you personally because I don't...... ;)
Nor I with you my brother . . .
 
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Point being...that when the Apostle spoke in his own language God allowed the nationalities and languages present to understand in their own language....if everyone speaks the same language there is no reason for someone to stand up and babble.....The gift of (glossa) was the gift of a LANGUAGE so one could teach about JESUS and the way.....it was not some jibberish.......as is seen in most situations.....and on top of that it would be similar and in like manner if a Russian and a Chinese came to your assembly and your pastor got up, preached in his own language and the Russian and the Chinese were able to understand......MY objection is based upon the rigmarole that takes place in so called churches to this day...someone standing up going on some rant and rave while speaking some mumbo jumbo...that is not what took place in the bible....Either one could understand in their own language and or ONE had the ability to speak a language that they had not studied and or could not speak otherwise....

You SISITER, You know I have nothing against you personally and we agree on many things so don't think I have a problem with you personally because I don't...... ;)
Only problem with that thought is that they were being mocked by people saying they were drunk. If the sound coming out of their mouths had been ANY language known to those standing there, there is no way they would have been mistaken for being drunk.
 

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For he that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries. [musterion-secrets] 1 Co. 14:2 (He that speaks = man - the man speaking doesn't understand)

Break it down: For he [the man] that speaketh in an tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God: for no man [he] doesn't understand howbeit [because] in the spirit he [the man] speaks mysteries which is in line with For if I pray in an tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful [14:14]

IF someone [not the one speaking - someone in the assembly] understands the language, it is a miracle as on the day of Pentecost when they heard the apostles speaking in their languages and that is up to God.

The apostles DID NOT KNOW the language they spoke - they spoke as the Spirit gave them utterance - AGAIN that is why the people were CONFOUNDED because that every man heard the apostles speak in his own language - the apostles did not KNOW the language - the people were AMAZED and stated - Aren't these men Galileans? Basically, how are they speaking in our languages the wonderful works of God?

This is really fruitless because you doubt all of this . . . I can only hope someone reading may be learning something!!
You still have me confused. You are quoting a verse and making an application that has nothing to do with the verse. I fail to see how you relate 1 Cor 14:2 with Acts 2?

Are you suggesting that Peter did not know what he was saying at Pentecost? He may not have known the languages he was being heard in but he certainly understood the message.

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Keep dreaming and go back to your original quote to actually understand why I said what I said.....maybe then you will figure it out.
apparently it's not just 'tongues' that need interpretation ... ah well

I'm just nicer than him.

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well, perhaps he has a hard mattress or something
 
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Only problem with that thought is that they were being mocked by people saying they were drunk. If the sound coming out of their mouths had been ANY language known to those standing there, there is no way they would have been mistaken for being drunk.
Another like thought is this, The account found in Acts 19 of the 12 Paul laid hands on. All 12 of those men spoke Greek so if they spoke in tongues and prophesied after Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Ghost, and nobody else was around, which "language" were they speaking and to whom?

It is implied in Acts 19.1-7 that there were only 13 men in the story. 12 certain disciples and Paul. Paul spoke to them in Greek, they understood him in Greek, they replied in Greek, so what other tongue did they speak in and to whom after the Holy ghost came ON them....not IN but ON...very different word.
 

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Only problem with that thought is that they were being mocked by people saying they were drunk. If the sound coming out of their mouths had been ANY language known to those standing there, there is no way they would have been mistaken for being drunk.
Was the mocking because of what was heard or the message that was heard? Some there who were mocking may have been hardening their hearts to the message. 3000 were saved but that does not preclude many others being there who were not saved that day.

Rejection of the Holy Spirit in a mans heart certainly leads to confusion. True even to this day.

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apparently it's not just 'tongues' that need interpretation ... ah well



well, perhaps he has a hard mattress or something
Marines do not use mattresses. They sleep on rocks if they sleep at all.

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Was the mocking because of what was heard or the message that was heard? Some there who were mocking may have been hardening their hearts to the message. 3000 were saved but that does not preclude many others being there who were not saved that day.

Rejection of the Holy Spirit in a mans heart certainly leads to confusion. True even to this day.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The passage says they mocked them for being drunk, not because they refused the Gospel.

If they were mocking the Gospel and not mocking them for being drunk, then why did Peter state this in Acts 2.15:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

Furthermore, others in the crowd likely could not receive the Holy Spirit, for it is shown all through acts, that the Holy Spirit was given through impartation /the laying on of Hands and not by hearing the word of God.

Acts 8 proves this statement. Phillip preached Christ and the kingdom of God, an healed many and cast out devils of many. But they never received the Holy Spirit until the Apostles went down to them to receive the Holy Spirit. Acts 8.15
 
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The passage says they mocked them for being drunk, not because they refused the Gospel.

If they were mocking the Gospel and not mocking them for being drunk, then why did Peter state this in Acts 2.15:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Could it have simply been because they were BOLD to speak, ?
 
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