Hebrews 6:1-6

[eternally-gratefull]

More red herrings. People do not fall away because of deception or hardship. those whom Christ has embraced and taken as His own can never become separated from Him. You see I may place my hand is His but He never lets me go. He is faithful even when I stumble and fall. He lifts me up and restores me every time I fall.

The butterfly can never go back to being a caterpillar. The change from sinner to saint is not reversible.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

seems to me the word of God says when one lamb, because of deception (I can live outside the flock) and hardship (I need to find my own way, the flock is causing me pain) walks away from the flock. Jesus leaves the entire flock to go get him.

The lamb KNOWS his voice and follows after him, if the sheep is not his, he will not know his voice, and continue walking

This means nothing. He can be our Shepard (father) yet we will still not hear his voice and run, even though the bible explicitly says otherwise.

 

[dcontroversal]

What that you use books outside the bible. and I called you out on it, and you called me a liar?

Are you still going to deny that?




So Barnabas was what 200 years old when he wrote his book?




God said scripture was the inspired word of God. Holy Spirit led.

He did not say the gospel if barnabus or any other book outside the word of God was inspired. If he wanted it to be inspired, he would had it included in the canoon of scripture.

Your no better than the jews, who used all the writings of the laws post captivity, and held them as equal to scripture. And God led.

Aint it funny how satan gets us to make the same mistakes over and over and over.

Amen and catch him in one fallacy and he will twist it and tweak it just a little or enough to make it out like something totally different....there are like about 3-5 that do that really well on this site......instead of admitting it they will just twist it and tweak it......seems like somebody else did that in the garden with the word NOT........!

 

[kennethcadwell]

AMEN to that....he quotes Barnabas while being oblivious to the fact that Barnabas and Paul had a falling out over John Mark at one point and went separate ways.....Paul being inspired and Barnabas NOT...I think I will go with Paul over BARNABAS....

No I know about that falling out, but it had nothing to do with false teaching of the gospel !!!

That falling out was about who should go with them to give the true gospel message, and Barnabas wanted to take John (Mark) and Paul wanted to take Silas. They could not agree on who to take so they each went there own way with who they wanted with them to give the gospel.

So once again this does not prove or make Barnabas a false teacher, just that he and Paul did not agree what other Apostle/s should join them.

 

[dcontroversal]

No I know about that falling out, but it had nothing to do with false teaching of the gospel !!!

That falling out was about who should go with them to give the true gospel message, and Barnabas wanted to take John (Mark) and Paul wanted to take Silas. They could not agree on who to take so they each went there own way with who they wanted with them to give the gospel.

So once again this does not prove or make Barnabas a false teacher, just that he and Paul did not agree what other Apostle/s should join them.

Hey KENNY.....keep following men who were not inspired and did not make the cannon.....not very wise for sure.....!

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Amen and catch him in one fallacy and he will twist it and tweak it just a little or enough to make it out like something totally different....there are like about 3-5 that do that really well on this site......instead of admitting it they will just twist it and tweak it......seems like somebody else did that in the garden with the word NOT........!

Amen, and might it also be said.......
1 Samuel 24:13
As the old saying goes, 'From evildoers come evil deeds,' so my hand will not touch you.

and again.......


Matthew 7:20
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

 

[kennethcadwell]

What that you use books outside the bible. and I called you out on it, and you called me a liar?

Are you still going to deny that?




So Barnabas was what 200 years old when he wrote his book?




God said scripture was the inspired word of God. Holy Spirit led.

He did not say the gospel if barnabus or any other book outside the word of God was inspired. If he wanted it to be inspired, he would had it included in the canoon of scripture.

Your no better than the jews, who used all the writings of the laws post captivity, and held them as equal to scripture. And God led.

Aint it funny how satan gets us to make the same mistakes over and over and over.

Once again you are not speaking of what you original said, as you said at first was that I told you had to go by those books. I never said no such thing to you, so yes you did say a false allegation.

Second where are getting Barnabas being 200 years old ????
He would not have been 200 in 70 AD, as I think you have the quotes I gave confused with the false epistle of Barnabas that was dated in the 2nd century. The quotes I gave was from 70 AD, as my post gave the dates as well. So I do not know where you are coming from on this unless you are going by that epistle, which I am not.

The Word said it is written by holy men inspired by God.

So once again you believe that one Holy Spirit lead Apostle is a false teacher, so therefore the Holy Spirit deals in lies ???

 

[kennethcadwell]

Hey KENNY.....keep following men who were not inspired and did not make the cannon.....not very wise for sure.....!

Ummmm...........Barnabas was inspired by God and lead by the Holy Spirit.

The bible clearly lists him as a true Apostle of Christ, if you want to deny that go right ahead as that is your choice. But to say he was not inspired by God is false by a long shot !!!

 

[MarcR]

I am not trying to force anything on anybody as I do not believe in the apostolic succession as the Catholic church does.

The bible clearly identifies more then 13 people as Apostles, and you even though we have shown you clear scriptures that show that you still seem to deny them. Even Apostle Paul says that one of the positions that will continue to be appointed in the church will be called apostles. I do not agree that only they have the right to forgive sins as the catholic church does, as that command was give to all of us to forgive others.
The true remission comes from the Lord, but the forgiveness we are commanded is for love and emotional healing.

So what the Holy Spirit says through an Apostle is not valid ????

Even Apostle Paul says that one of the positions that will continue to be appointed in the church will be called apostles


Eph 4:10-12
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
KJV

And he gave some, apostles; means exactly what it says! He Gave the 11 plus Matthias, plus Paul.

NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT CONTINUING TO GIVE MORE!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Ummmm...........Barnabas was inspired by God and lead by the Holy Spirit.

The bible clearly lists him as a true Apostle of Christ, if you want to deny that go right ahead as that is your choice. But to say he was not inspired by God is false by a long shot !!!

Ummm...sorry but no cigar....no where does it say Barnabus was inspired as applied to the written word of God and the cannon of scripture and the flip side of the coin actually applies unto you...to say God inspired Barnabus and then it not make the cannon should tell you that your conclusion misses the mark and falls 10 feet short of the dock! Wake up and admit the truth for once in your life!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Amen, and might it also be said.......
1 Samuel 24:13
As the old saying goes, 'From evildoers come evil deeds,' so my hand will not touch you.

and again.......


Matthew 7:20
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

That is truth in these scriptures and you will not find me doing evil, so keep up agreeing with those who are showing fruits of the flesh toward me and not fruits of the Spirit if that is what you wish. Because I have done nothing but show love and Gods words to these people, and Dcon and E.G. have done nothing but make false allegations and say lies about me to others.
So who is doing the true will of God, the one who shows love through His word, or the ones who show belittling, demeaning, and false witnessing on another???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once again you are not speaking of what you original said, as you said at first was that I told you had to go by those books. I never said no such thing to you, so yes you did say a false allegation.

lol. See your still trying to twist. I said you told us to go to those books. and held them equal to god.

Your still using them books and defending them.K

en you better stop. every time you try to excuse this, your sending your reputation deeper into the ground.

Second where are getting Barnabas being 200 years old ????
He would not have been 200 in 70 AD, as I think you have the quotes I gave confused with the false epistle of Barnabas that was dated in the 2nd century. The quotes I gave was from 70 AD, as my post gave the dates as well. So I do not know where you are coming from on this unless you are going by that epistle, which I am not.

And you were their in 70 AD? And you KNOW it was written by his hand? And you KNOW it was not the same book written in 130AD?

Where di you get your info from? I can't find it in the bible. the only trusted source.

The Word said it is written by holy men inspired by God.

Yep. So why are your quotes not included in the word. if they were inspired by God? Does that not give you a clue?

So once again you believe that one Holy Spirit lead Apostle is a false teacher, so therefore the Holy Spirit deals in lies ???

No, I believe the words of a man (whoever he is and whenever he wrote it) which was not deemed by God himself. as inspired as to put it in scripture is untrustworthy. and should not be headed to.

You do know the catholic church destroyed ALL writings and books which they declared as heresy do you not? so any book which went against their dogma would be long since gone..

So again, Can we trust ANYTHING outside the word of God? I think not.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ummm...sorry but no cigar....no where does it say Barnabus was inspired as applied to the written word of God and the cannon of scripture and the flip side of the coin actually applies unto you...to say God inspired Barnabus and then it not make the cannon should tell you that your conclusion misses the mark and falls 10 feet short of the dock! Wake up and admit the truth for once in your life!

You play to many word games with scripture, because it does not say exactly those words you will not believe it.

God's Word recognizes Barnabas as a true Apostle, so keep denying that if you wish !!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You play to many word games with scripture, because it does not say exactly those words you will not believe it.

God's Word recognizes Barnabas as a true Apostle, so keep denying that if you wish !!!

Gods word does not recognize the words your quoting to be from the man you call barnabas...or the inspired word of God.

end of story!

 

[dcontroversal]

You play to many word games with scripture, because it does not say exactly those words you will not believe it.

God's Word recognizes Barnabas as a true Apostle, so keep denying that if you wish !!!

Actually I believe the word, what was written, who made the cannon and who the bible states is inspired and or taught by direct Revelation.....it is you that accepts the mere words of men that were not inspired and proves that you still have some Catholic dogma in you...they also embraced EXTRA biblical sources and look at the error they propagate......no wonder you teach a pseudo gospel which has no power to save HAHAHAH......

 

[MarcR]

Ummmm...........Barnabas was inspired by God and lead by the Holy Spirit.

The bible clearly lists him as a true Apostle of Christ, if you want to deny that go right ahead as that is your choice. But to say he was not inspired by God is false by a long shot !!!

Ken,

Two questions:

1) I know that Lot's wife was turned to salt; but where does it say that Barnabas was lead.

The weights on my fishing line are truly lead.

2) Where dies the Bible call Barnabas an apostle?

 

[dcontroversal]

Gods word does not recognize the words your quoting to be from the man you call barnabas...or the inspired word of God.

end of story!

I guess his philosophy is to believe something that is not in the bible and or written in the bible...maybe that is why it is so easy for him to believe and propagate things which are contrary to the truth.....

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

That is truth in these scriptures and you will not find me doing evil, so keep up agreeing with those who are showing fruits of the flesh toward me and not fruits of the Spirit if that is what you wish. Because I have done nothing but show love and Gods words to these people, and Dcon and E.G. have done nothing but make false allegations and say lies about me to others.
So who is doing the true will of God, the one who shows love through His word, or the ones who show belittling, demeaning, and false witnessing on another???

Is sin evil Kenny? you are without sin now? do you not bare false witness?

 

[kennethcadwell]

lol. See your still trying to twist. I said you told us to go to those books. and held them equal to god.

Your still using them books and defending them.K

en you better stop. every time you try to excuse this, your sending your reputation deeper into the ground.



And you were their in 70 AD? And you KNOW it was written by his hand? And you KNOW it was not the same book written in 130AD?

Where di you get your info from? I can't find it in the bible. the only trusted source.



Yep. So why are your quotes not included in the word. if they were inspired by God? Does that not give you a clue?


No, I believe the words of a man (whoever he is and whenever he wrote it) which was not deemed by God himself. as inspired as to put it in scripture is untrustworthy. and should not be headed to.

You do know the catholic church destroyed ALL writings and books which they declared as heresy do you not? so any book which went against their dogma would be long since gone..

So again, Can we trust ANYTHING outside the word of God? I think not.

Don't get ridiculous now because I can say the same thing back to you, how do you know the Epistle of Barnabas was written in 130 AD? You were not there either and see it personally written, so to use that is going with that straw man debate I see others constantly brought up. For you can not prove your stance either as you were told that date by men.

I trust what was said there is truth because the Holy Spirit guided me there, and the Spirit is not going to guide us into a lie. We are not in the business as born again Christians to deny the Holy Spirits direction, we have to have faith and trust in what He tells us in which I do !!!

Neither were any of the books we have in the bible to this day tell the Nicene council put them together and made them the canon we have. You do realize that all of these writings we have now were written well before the bible was even put together ???

Apostle Barnabas was inspired and chosen by God, so was Timothy and Silvanus as Apostle Paul clearly said in 1 Thessalonians 2:4. But why do we not have their writings, I mean come on people use common sense as the bible says they were chosen by God yet we do not have their writings in the bible.
There was other reasons they left books out besides just they weren't inspired !!!!

(2:4) but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Don't get ridiculous now because I can say the same thing back to you, how do you know the Epistle of Barnabas was written in 130 AD? You were not there either and see it personally written, so to use that is going with that straw man debate I see others constantly brought up. For you can not prove your stance either as you were told that date by men.

I trust what was said there is truth because the Holy Spirit guided me there, and the Spirit is not going to guide us into a lie. We are not in the business as born again Christians to deny the Holy Spirits direction, we have to have faith and trust in what He tells us in which I do !!!

Neither were any of the books we have in the bible to this day tell the Nicene council put them together and made them the canon we have. You do realize that all of these writings we have now were written well before the bible was even put together ???

Apostle Barnabas was inspired and chosen by God, so was Timothy and Silvanus as Apostle Paul clearly said in 1 Thessalonians 2:4. But why do we not have their writings, I mean come on people use common sense as the bible says they were chosen by God yet we do not have their writings in the bible.
There was other reasons they left books out besides just they weren't inspired !!!!

(2:4) but just as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who examines our hearts.

I

repeat.

Gods word does not recognize the words your quoting to be from the man you call barnabas...or the inspired word of God.

end of story!

I don't trust that it was written in 70 Ad. 130 AD or when it was supposedly written or by who.

Because of the above statement.

The Holy Spirit did not lead you to those writings, He would NEVER lead you to words outside his given word.

The HS did not spend 2000 years inspiring men to make the book we call the bible to leave it incomplete. and be forced to lead other men to write inspired words outside of scripture, and tell us to search them for truth. He is not as stupid as you want to make him to be.

again I sound like I am arguing with a catholic. they use the same lines, You have been tricked into catholicism, you may have left. but you are still influenced by them

 

[kennethcadwell]

Is sin evil Kenny? you are without sin now? do you not bare false witness?

There you go with twisting and using word play, as we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Now being born again does that mean we continue to sin constantly everyday, or does the bible say we by the Holy Spirit and the fruits learn self control and therefore do not let sin reign and control our lives??? My bible says the Holy Spirit produces through us by His fruits that they by love will establish and uphold the law thus fulfilling it. Just like our Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul said He would.
No I have not bared false witness on anybody for a long time now, because I do not see the point in lying about another or what they said. If I say something about another it is because they did say it, or showed in their responses they support the false allegation.

Just an example: If a scripture in the bible says a pen is blue, then we can not twist it to say it is red when it is clear cut.
So when the Apostles Paul and Peter both say and show eternal life is the ending result of our faith how can one go and twist it to say it is a beginning possession. You can't, so therefore you must dig into those scriptures that make it look like it is to see what the true context is, and the Holy Spirit when you pray about it will lead us to know the truth.

Those two constantly falsely accuse me of a works to earn salvation gospel, which I have refuted many times and told my true stance in the faith. I have also asked repeatedly for them to please stop, as not once have I gotten hateful or condemning toward them even though they have done that to me.

So as always I will continue to go by Gods Word, His Holy Spirit, and wherever He guides me as I trust Him that He will lead me in all truth !!!