Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

Graybeard · Dec 29, 2009

Great...run with it then and be blessed!
contrary to what you said earlier, we are to judge our brethren, not those outside the Faith. having said that forgive me if I have been too hastily in slotting you in a box. However I still disagree with some of your views

joint-heir · Dec 29, 2009

Graybeard said:

Brother,

What I do know is that none of us do not or will ever know everything about what we read and try to discover by revelation in the Bible. This gray area will always leave room for discussion. What I do know is I love you in CHRIST JESUS and although we will never see eye to eye it is my desire we conclude to agree to disagree. I know some can never leave a subject alone but brother if I cant stand with you side by side in worship or spiritual warfare, how will I ever be able to stand with you in the heavenly presence of our LORD and SAVIOR? Whether your view or mine is correct what I do know is that in HIS HOLY PRESENCE none of this will matter. I remember when my grandfather resigned from the Assemblies of GOD who believe in the TRINITY shunned my grandfather like he was worthless and someone diseased. Here was a man who stood together side by side for many years and because he felt GOD led him to a new revelation he was no longer considered as reasonable and worthy to be in any of their company from that moment on. However, ironically, when a few was ill and on their death bed who did they call for prayer? My grandfather. You know what my grandfather did? He bought a plane ticket and flew there and remained in faith and in prayer until they passed on. When we feel our ideas are beyond the reach of others GOD will level the playing field. I respect your views but I can never see them as correct for myself. But, you as a brother in CHRIST, I will love to the very end and if you ever need a prayer warrior I'll be there standing on the front line side by side battling satan until our GOD returns.

MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU .......

Israel · Dec 29, 2009

Deutornomy 13:1-5
If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Church and State: Constantine 313 and Charlemagne 800 by Rit Nosotro

Comparative Essay

How was Constantine’s recognition of Christianity (313 A.D.) similar to Charlemagne being crowned by the Pope (800 A.D.)? In both cases, what was the result of the relationship established between the church and the state?

Thesis: Both Constantine and Charlemagne benefited politically due to their acceptance of Christianity. As a result of their acceptance of Christianity, Christianity was spread throughout their realms and to nearby realms.

Summary: In the early 300s, Constantine associated himself with Christianity. As a result of this association, Constantine gained legitimacy as a ruler and was able to better unite the Roman Empire under the flag of Christianity. So too, Charlemagne associated himself with Christianity by being crowned by the pope. Charlemagne received a rightful claim to the throne and harmony within his realm just as Constantine was given legitimacy as ruler and unity within his kingdom. Not only were the rulers benefited by the alliance between the church and state, but also the church. Christianity was able to spread throughout both Constantine's and Charlemagne’s kingdoms.

Constantine’s recognition of Christianity in 313 A.D. and Charlemagne’s crowing by the Pope in 800 A.D. are similar in that both events encourage the spreading and acceptance of Christianity in the early European world. Constantine first recognized Christianity on the battle field. The war Constantine was in the midst of fighting was a fight against his brother-in-law and co-emperor, Maxentius. (Northpark) Believing he needed Divine help, Constantine prayed for assistance. While praying the Roman ruler saw a vision of a cross in the midday light. On the cross were the words “in hoc signo vinces” which means “in this sign you will be victorious.” Later that night, Constantine claimed to have had a dream that reaffirmed what he had seen at battle.
From that point on Constantine accepted Christianity. The newly converted ruler helped Christianity in numerous ways. Christians were no longer persecuted for their faith, and the Emperor gave many gifts to Christian leaders. With the acceptance of Christianity, the faith was able to spread throughout Constantine’s empire. With the emperor converted, Christianity became apart of the government. Children were taught Christian beliefs and these were passed down through generations.
Constantine believed that the church and state should be as close as possible. (Northpark) With this belief came the distortion of the Christian faith. In order to please all of his subjects, Constantine combined pagan worship with Christianity. Some see this action as proof that Constantine did not really understand the theology of Christianity. (Northpark) However, though Constantine’s conversion is questionable when it comes to his true acceptance of the faith, he put all his power into advancing the cause of the Church of Christ.
With the church and state so closely intertwined, the empire became stronger. A council of 300 bishops was formed called the Council of Nicea. This council dealt with controversy about the divinity of Jesus. This council made an official statement claiming Jesus divinity, and because the church and state were so closely connected, Constantine supported this statement politically.
Years after Constantine’s rule Charlemagne was crowned emperor of Rome on Christmas Day, 800 A.D. Charlemagne’s reputation of an accomplished military leader, and the numerous times he fought for Christianity which led people to call him “the strong right hand of God”. (Northpark)
The crowning of Charlemagne by the Pope at the Church of St. Peters proved the closeness of the church and state. Some did not like the fact that the Pope had the authority to make Charlemagne emperor of Rome. However, Charlemagne was accepted as emperor, and he developed a very successful empire. By developing three elements: the Roman past, the Germanic way of life, and Christianity, the Roman Empire became very stable. (Capitol Hill)
Charlemagne took advantage of Christianity’s moral and ethical standards, and he made laws in favor of the spreading of the faith. Also, after Charlemagne became Emperor he came up with two policies for success. The first policy was expansion, and with Charlemagne’s military experience this was not difficult to achieve. The second policy was the conversion of all his lands to Christianity. (Capitol Hill) With this policy, the Christian faith spread rapidly throughout the lands, and many were converted.
In both Constantine’s and Charlemagne’s causes the spread Christianity is what made their empire so successful. And with the close relationship between the church and state, the spread of Christianity was not a difficult task. The two emperors enforced it because without the peaceful faith of Christianity, their massive empires would not have succeeded.
Commentary

Constantine and Charlemagne both associated themselves with Christianity. They each saw the union as a method in which they could strenghten their hold over their kingdoms. However, their allegiance to Christianity appears to have been nominal. Yes, they did wage war for Christianity, yet their personal lives to not seem to reflect the life of a true Christian. In other words, they appear to be Christian to those on the outside yet their inside does not seem to have been changed. Like the Pharisees, they cleaned the outside of the cup yet not the inside (as per Matthew 23:25). Also, though Christianity spread, it was forced upon the citizens. Usually, forced conversions do not create true Christians. Not to mention, Constantine and Charlemagne tried to add pagan elements into Christianity in order to make it more appealing to the people. That is not what God intended. Instead, the Gospel should be taught plainly without distortment (as per 2 Corinthians 4:2).

Daniel 8:23-25
And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Please. God is testing you to see if you really love Him!

Balshemtov · Dec 29, 2009

remember matthew was focused his attention on the jews by tracing the geneology from avraham, yitshak, and yakov while luke traced back to adam focusing his attention on humanity. all the gospels were preaching jesus' lordship over a different community. However, I think that a question like this takes away from the power of G-d. Jesus was seen as a savior of Jews and Gentiles because of the time he was living. The Romans were in control of Palestine at the time and oppressing everyone. Jesus preached equality which was a threat to anyone in a position of heirarchy. G-d whether you are a Muslim, Jew, Christian is the same G-d. You can't take ownership of G-d and G-d is too big to take ownership of one religion.

charisenexcelcis · Dec 29, 2009

joint-heir said:

I didn't call you a moron. I used the word oxymoron...Harsh words toward me do not make your argument any stronger. But I still am interested in how after one year of walking in faith, you are able to sweep aside two thousand years of scholarship? It is interesting that you use the word essence. How do you define essence?

charisenexcelcis · Dec 29, 2009

joint-heir said:

I became a pastor because too many limp wristed Christians are walking in defeat and have no understanding of whom GOD is. The nic i chose exactly reflects who we are. We are kings in the kingdom of GOD and if anyone wishes to attack us we can do 1 of 2 things that is both scriptural. We can be meek and turn the other cheek or we can be bold and bind and rebuke in the name of JESUS. There are several ways to go about both examples I have listed. I walk in VICTORY and POWER of GOD for I am a JOINT-HEIR to kingdom of GOD. Even JESUS rebuked the spirit of religeous canotations towards the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Scribes, and the Herodians. JESUS would later go on and say DO NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE. When another man feels he has the capability to back me in the corner to shove his ideas down my throat and label me as moronic and stupid and idiotic I have the right to politely correct him even in an harsh monotone. Think not Paul who wrote the same scripture you are using did not in fact confront those who came at him with ideas that were not scripturally sound. For almost every letter Paul wrote was to correct a church or someone pushing their ideas and forcing their rhetorics. I thank you for the scripture you used and I will be a little less harsh but also JESUS did say...JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED.

Limp wristed? lol. Did you mean that in all its implications? And the to end with Judge not! Wow, giant blind spot.

charisenexcelcis · Dec 29, 2009

Cup said: Because He is in the process of salvaging humanity, which means He has to create the method by which it can be done, what can He say? "By my sinful human flesh, let it be done", of course not, no it cannot be the will of a man, condemned to death, it must be done by the will of the Father, so Jesus prays, "not my (small 'm' note) will but thine", and what a beautiful verse it is, the prayer between a man and his creator resigning himself facing death and facing the wrath of God and all the sin ever commited, He has to take in one mortal body of flesh, no wonder He sweated blood, the pressure would have been unfathomable.
Did you just exegete based upon a capital letter? lol.

charisenexcelcis · Dec 29, 2009

joint-heir said:

"have you ever jousted humility?" First, your father said that he recieved this by revelation. I am interested in your father. You said that he was a presbyter over several districts, except the presbyters are not over the districts in the Assemblies of God. There are a type of presbyter who represents several districts, so I assume that is what you meant. Also, you said that he taught at the Assembly of God Texas College. The Assembly of God college in Texas would be the Southwestern Aseemblies of God University, so I assume that is what you meant. What districts did he represent? when did he teach at the college (it would have been a college that long ago). Now, you said that you were preaching at the age of twelve, that by the time you were 15 you had read more than most people in church, by 14 you knew more of the Bible than most people sitting in church, and that you still have his library of work. It's nice that you have read the Bible in the last four months, that is an impressive 14-15 pages a day. I assume that your grandfather, since he was a professor of theology taught you the basics of theology, hermenuetics, and homeletics. Apparently you were not strong enough to stay faithful in the face of losing your grandfather who was 85 when he died. Third, you say that your church consist mostly of ex-cons, drug dealers, Hell's Angels and those in the witness protection program. They apparently don't like to be judged by all those Christians in their $3000 suits and their $1500 shoes, not that they can't buy me with all their illegal money, but they know that you are for real and therefore they allow you to lead them. Of course I would be afraid of working with murderers so I couldn't possible deal with this ministry. So, why do the Feds allow so many in the witness protection program to hang with drug dealers and Hell's Angels and tell you that they are from the witness protection program so that you can post it here for everyone to see? Do you accept their drug money in the offering? Are any of the ex-con on parole? If so, why do their parole officers allow them to hang with drug dealers?
You have an interesting testimony, but not one that would give me any confidence in your status as a theologian.

joint-heir · Dec 30, 2009

charisenexcelcis said:

I said my GRANDFATHER who died at 85 in 1991. If your familiar with the Assemblies of God they base their beliefs on the revelation of ISUZOO(sp) STREET, where many leaders in the early days of the 1900's split on the basis of some went on to preach TRINITY and some ONENESS. Assemblies of God did have a university in its early years in Texas which now they are in Lakeland. Fla. or around that area. And in that time period in the 1940's the AOG did set-up Presbityrs which over-see'd several states. But I believe you knew what I was saying you are just choosing to be difficult. Considerring my grandfather who was born 1906 became well aware of many movements in the church stages and beliefs as he was 15 in 1921 when he accepted JESUS and 2 years later in 1923 began his ministry. He would have been part of the early developments of the Assemblies of God going strong in the early stages of the 1930's.

As far as what you think about my knowledge it is not for you to judge my abilities. Most of what I know is from my grandfathers documented texts that his sound doctrines have been used by many of both doctrine of TRINITY and ONENESS. He wrote a well known Book about Revelations that even such preachers like Lester Sumrall and others have used in their own teachings. I am not saying I am the absolute final word concerning scripture revelation but I am saying the information I have access to and obtain I would never trade to ever think someone else's thesis were any better. Even in that I still have much to learn as do we all.......

charisenexcelcis · Dec 30, 2009

joint-heir said:

Well, the father part was just a typing error. Your history is flawed as is your knowledge of the Assemblies of God. The basic theology of the Assemblies of God is Wesleyan and was not formulated at Azuza Street but rather came from their previous churches. (Most were expelled after they recieved the Pentecostal experience.) I expect that you would have at least spelled Azuza correctly. The Assemblies of God has a university in Lakeland, Florida and one in Texas (and a number more). You are the one who brought out your testimony as proof of you ability to debate theology, I was just evaluating it. I think you could find several good books on the history of the Pentecostal movement. It might give you a better idea of how the "oneness" movement came about. May I research your grandfather more fully?

joint-heir · Dec 30, 2009

charisenexcelcis said:

Well, the father part was just a typing error. Your history is flawed as is your knowledge of the Assemblies of God. The basic theology of the Assemblies of God is Wesleyan and was not formulated at Azuza Street but rather came from their previous churches. (Most were expelled after they recieved the Pentecostal experience.) I expect that you would have at least spelled Azuza correctly. The Assemblies of God has a university in Lakeland, Florida and one in Texas (and a number more). You are the one who brought out your testimony as proof of you ability to debate theology, I was just evaluating it. I think you could find several good books on the history of the Pentecostal movement. It might give you a better idea of how the "oneness" movement came about. May I research your grandfather more fully?

Rev. Vincent McGlynn

sword · Dec 31, 2009

I think we (evangelicals and JWs) shouldn`t be too dogmatic about the trinity doctrine because frankly speaking it`s not very clear just like the revelation book (there are hundreds of interpretations because of its many symbols). So we all should focus on our common foundations: we all believe Jesus died for our sins, rose again, and he`ll return. That shoud be more than enough to makes all (evangelicals, JWs, 7th Day Adventists, and even catholics) one in Christ.

charisenexcelcis · Dec 31, 2009

sword said:

Evangelicals and JW's? That's an odd combination. You would find more in common with the evangelicals and catholics than with the evangelicals and JWs.

mcubed · Dec 31, 2009

I am not sure if I understand the question with the title of the thread. However, between the objective evidence of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, and the subjective verification in my own life I think there's ample evidence that Jesus was who he claimed to be! Moreover Scripture defends itself.
Luke.24[ 44] And he, Yeshua said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Over 300 Messianic Prophecies of Messiah Yeshua

Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Heb. 2:14, Rev.12:6
Gen. 9:26,27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Lu. 3:36
Gen. 12:3 - 18:18 - 22:18 - 26:4...As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations...Acts. 3:25,26, Gal. 3:13-16
Gen. 14:18-20...A priest after Melchizedek or Melchisedec...Ps. 110:4 - Heb. 5:10, Heb. 6:17-20, Heb. 7
Gen. 14:18........A King also........Heb. 7:2
Gen. 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Mt. 26:26-29, Luke 22:19, 20 - Mark 14:22-25
Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Mat. 1:2, Luke 3:34 - Rom. 9:7
Gen. 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...Jn. 1:29
Gen. 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Gal. 3:16
Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer..Heb.11:18
Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33
Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3
Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52
Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn. 10:16
Ex. 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......Jn. 4:26
Ex. 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19
Ex. 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath...Rom. 5:8
Ex. 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Cor. 5;7
Ex. 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...Jn. 19:31-36
Ex. 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56
Ex. 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
Ex. 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Cor. 10;4
Ex. 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Lu. 1:72
Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14; Acts 6:7
Lev.16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Heb. 9:7-14
Lev.16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
Lev.17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45
Lev.17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 Jn. 3:14-18
Lev.23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..Jn. 19:31-36
Num. 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36
Num. 21:8, 9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...Jn. 3:14-18
Num. 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Gal. 4:4
Deut. 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...Jn. 6:14
Deut. 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me."...Jn. 5:45-47
Deut. 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...Jn. 8:28, 29

Deut. 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Gal. 3:10-13
2 Sam. 7:12...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1
2 Sam. 7:14...The Son of God... Lu. 1:32
2 Sam. 7:16 - Pss.132:11...David's house established forever...Lu. 3:31; Rev. 22:16
2 Ki. 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Lu. 24:51
1 Chr. 17:11...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1; 9:27
1 Chr. 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Lu. 1:32, 33
1 Chr. 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Heb. 1:5
Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...Jn. 5:24-29
Psa. 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28
Psa. 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36
Ps. 2:6...His Character-Holiness...Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7
Ps. 2:6...To own the title King...Mt. 2:2
Ps. 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Mt. 3;17
Psa. 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts 13:29-33
Psa. 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...Jn. 20:31
Psa. 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Mt. 21:16
Psa. 8:5, 6...His humiliation and exaltation...Lu. 24:50-53; 1 Cor. 15:27
Psa. 16:10...Was not to see corruption...Acts 2:31
Psa. 16:9-11...Was to arise from the dead...Jn. 20:9
Psa. 17;15...The resurrection predicted...Lu. 24:6
Psa. 22:1...Forsaken because of sins of others...2 Cor. 5:21
Psa. 22:1...Words spoken from Calvary, "My God..." Mk. 15:34
Psa. 22:2...Darkness upon Calvary...Mt. 27:45
Psa. 22:7...They shoot out the lip and shake the head...Mt. 27:39
Psa. 22:8..&quotHe trusted in God, let Him deliver Him"...Mt. 27:43
Psa. 22:9......Born the Saviour......Lu. 2:7
Psa. 22:14...Died of a broken (ruptured)heart...Jn. 19:34
Psa. 22:14,15...Suffered agony on Calvary...Mk. 15:34-37
Psa. 22:15........He thirsted........Jn. 19:28
Psa. 22:16...They pierced His hands and His feet....Jn. 19:34,37;20:27
Psa. 22:17,18...Stripped Him before the stares of men...Lu. 23:34,35
Psa. 22:18.....They parted His garments.....Jn. 19:23,24
Psa. 22:20,21...He committed Himself to God...Lu.23:46
Psa. 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel..Heb. 2:14
Psa. 22:22.....His Resurrection declared.....Jn. 20:17
Psa. 22:27...He shall be the governor of the nations...Col 1:16
Psa. 22:31......&quotIt is finished"......Jn. 19:30
Psa. 23:1....&quotI am the Good Shephard&quot....Jn. 10:11
Psa. 24:3......His exaltation predicted......Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9
Psa. 30:3......His resurrection predicted......Acts 2:32
Psa. 31:5...&quotInto thy hands I commit my spirit"...Lu. 23:46
Psa. 31:11...His acquaintances fled from Him...Mk. 14:50
Psa. 31:13...They took counsel to put Him to death...Jn. 11:53
Psa. 31:14,15..." He trusted in God, let Him deliver him&quot...Mt. 27:43
Psa. 34:20.....Not a bone of Him broken.....Jn 19:31-36
Psa. 35:11....False witnesses rose up against Him....Mt. 26:59
Psa. 35:19...He was hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 38:11.....His friends stood afar off.....Lu. 23:49
Psa. 40:2-5...The joy of His resurrection predicted...Jn. 20:20
Psa. 40:6-8....His delight-the will of the Father....Jn. 4:34
Psa. 40:9....He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel....Mt. 4:17
Psa. 40:14...Confronted by adversaries in the Garden...Jn. 18:4-6
Psa. 41:9.....Betrayed by a familiar friend.....Jn. 13:18
Psa. 45:2...Words of Grace come from His lips...Lu. 4:22
Psa. 45:6...To own the title, God or Elohim...Heb. 1:8
Psa. 45:7...A special anointing by the Holy Spirit...Mt.3:16; Heb.1:9
Psa. 45:7,8...Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)...Lu. 2:11
Psa. 55:12-14...Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy...Jn. 13:18
Psa. 55:15...Unrepentant death of the Betrayer...Mt. 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
Psa. 68:18...To give gifts to men...Eph. 4:7-16
Psa. 68:18...Ascended into Heaven...Lu. 24:51
Psa. 69:4...Hated without a cause...Jn. 15:25
Psa. 69:8...A stranger to own brethren...Lu. 8;20,21
Psa. 69:9...Zealous for the Lord's House...Jn. 2:17
Psa. 69:14-20...Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion...Mt. 26:36-45
Psa. 69:20...&quotMy soul is exceeding sorrowful.&quot...Mt. 26:38
Psa. 69:21...Given vinegar in thirst...Mt. 27:34
Psa. 69:26...The Saviour given and smitten by God...Jn. 17:4; 18:11
Psa. 72:10,11...Great persons were to visit Him...Mt. 2:1-11
Psa. 72:16...The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground...Jn. 12:24
Psa. 72:17...His name, Yinon, will produce offspring...Jn. 1:12,13
Psa. 72:17...All nations shall be blessed by Him...Acts 2:11,12,41
Psa. 78:1.2...He would teach in parables...Mt. 13:34-35
Psa. 78:2b...To speak the Wisdom of God with authority...Mt. 7:29
Psa. 88:8...They stood afar off and watched...Lu. 23:49
Psa. 89:27...Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings...Lu. 1:32,33
Psa. 89:35-37...David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever...Lu. 1:32,33
Psa. 89:36-37...His character-Faithfulness...Rev. 1:5
Psa. 90:2...He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)...Jn. 1:1
Psa. 91:11,12...Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ...Lu. 4;10,11
Psa. 97:9...His exaltation predicted...Acts 1:11;Eph. 1:20
Psa. 100:5...His character-Goodness...Mt. 19:16,17
Psa. 102:1-11...The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary...Jn. 21:16-30
Psa. 102:25-27...Messiah is the Preexistent Son...Heb. 1:10-12
Psa. 109:25...Ridiculed...Mt. 27:39
Psa. 110:1...Son of David...Mt. 22:43
Psa. 110:1...To ascend to the right-hand of the Father...Mk.16:19
Psa. 110:1...David's son called Lord...Mt. 22:44,45
Psa. 110:4...A priest after Melchizedek's order...Heb. 6:20
Psa. 112:4...His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al... Mt. 9;36
Psa. 118:17,18...Messiah's Resurrection assured...Lu. 24:5-7;1 Cor. 15:20
Psa. 118:22,23...The rejected stone is Head of the corner...Mt. 21:42,43
Psa. 118:26a...The Blessed One presented to Israel...Mt. 21:9
Psa. 118:26b...To come while Temple standing...Mt. 21;12-15
Psa. 132:11...The Seed of David(the fruit of His Body)...Lu. 1:32
Psa. 138:1-6...The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings... Mt. 2:2-6
Psa. 147:3,6...The earthly ministry of Christ described...Lu. 4:18
Psa. 1:23...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16;7
Song. 5;16...The altogether lovely One...Jn. 1:17
Isa. 6:1...When Isaiah saw His glory... Jn. 12:40-41
Isa. 6:9-10...Parables fall on deaf ears...Mt. 13:13-15
Isa. 6:9-12...Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words...Acts. 28:23-29
Isa. 7:14...To be born of a virgin...Lu. 1:35
Isa. 7:14...To be Emmanuel-God with us... Mt. 1:18-23
Isa. 8:8...Called Emmanuel...Mt. 28:20
Isa. 8:14...A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense... 1 Pet. 2:8
Isa. 9:1,2...His ministry to begin in Galilee...Mt. 4:12-17
Isa. 9:6...A child born-Humanity...Lu. 1:31
Isa. 9:6...A Son given-Deity...Lu. 1:32; Jn. 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
Isa. 9:6...Declared to be the Son of God with power... Rom. 1:3,4
Isa. 9:6...The Wonderful One, Peleh...Lu. 4:22
Isa. 9:6...The Counsellor, Yaatz...Mt. 13:54
Isa. 9:6...The Mighty God, El Gibor...Mt. 11:20
Isa. 9:6...The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth...Jn. 8:58
Isa. 9:6...The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom...Jn . 16:33
Isa. 9:7...To establish an everlasting kingdom...Lu. 1:32-33
Isa. 9:7...His Character-Just...Jn. 5:30
Isa. 9:7...No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace...Lu. 1:32-33
Isa. 11:1...Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer...Mt. 2:23
Isa. 11:1...A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse...Lu. 3:23,32
Isa. 11:2...The anointed One by the Spirit...Mt. 3;16,17
Isa. 11:2...His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al....Jn. 4:4-26
Isa. 11:4...His Character-Truth...Jn. 14:6
Isa. 11:10...The Gentiles seek Him...Jn. 12:18-21
Isa. 12:2...Called Jesus-Yeshua...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 25:8...The Resurrection predicted...I Cor. 15:54
Isa. 26:19...His power of Resurrection predicted...Jn. 11:43,44
Isa. 28:16...The Messiah is the precious corner stone...Acts 4:11,12
Isa. 29:13...He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word...Mt. 15:7-9
Isa. 29:14...The wise are confounded by the Word...I Cor. 1:18-31
Isa. 32:2...A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place...Mt. 23:37
Isa. 35:4...He will come and save you...Mt. 1:21
Isa. 35:5...To have a ministry of miracles...Mt. 11:4-6
Isa. 40:3,4...Preceded by forerunner...Jn. 1:23
Isa. 40:9..."Behold your God."...Jn. 1:36;19:14
Isa. 40:11...A shepherd-compassionatelife-giver...Jn. 10:10-18
Isa. 42:1-4...The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer... Mt.12:18-21
Isa. 42:2...Meek and lowly... Mt. 11:28-30
Isa. 42:3...He brings hope for the hopeless... Jn. 4
Isa. 42:4...The nations shall wait on His teachings... Jn. 12:20-26
Isa. 42:6...The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles...Lu. 2:32
Isa. 42:1,6...His is a Worldwide compassion... Mt. 28:19,20
Isa. 42:7...Blind eyes opened... Jn. 9:25-38
Isa. 43:11...He is the only Saviour... Acts. 4:12
Isa. 44:3...He will send the Spirit of God... Jn. 16:7,13
Isa. 45:23...He will be the Judge... Jn. 5:22;Rom. 14:11
Isa. 48:12...The First and the Last...Jn. 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
Isa. 48:17...He came as a Teacher...Jn. 3:2
Isa. 49:1...Called from the womb-His humanity...Mt. 1:18
Isa. 49:5...A Servant from the womb...Lu. 1:31;Phil. 2:7
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation for Israel...Lu. 2:29-32
Isa. 49:6...He is the Light of the Gentiles...Acts 13:47
Isa. 49:6...He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth... Acts 15:7-18
Isa. 49:7...He is despised of the Nation... Jn. 8:48-49
Isa. 50:3...Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation... Lu. 23:44,45
Isa. 50:4...He is a learned counsellor for the weary... Mt. 11:28,29
Isa. 50:5...The Servant bound willingly to obedience... Mt. 26:39
Isa. 50:6a..."I gave my back to the smiters."... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 50:6b...He was smitten on the cheeks... Mt. 26:67
Isa. 50:6c...He was spat upon... Mt. 27:30
Isa. 52:7...To publish good tidings of peace... Lu. 4:14,15
Isa. 52:13...The Servant exalted...Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22
Isa. 52:13...Behold, My Servant... Mt. 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
Isa. 52:14...The Servant shockingly abused... Lu. 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67,68
Isa. 52:15...Nations startled by message of the Servant... Rom. 15:18-21
Isa. 52:15...His blood shed to make atonement for all... Rev. 1:5
Isa. 53:1...His people would not believe Him... Jn. 12:37-38
Isa. 53:2a...He would grow up in a poor family.... Lu. 2:7
Isa. 53:2b...Appearance of an ordinary man... Phil. 2:7-8
Isa. 53:3a...Despised.... Lu. 4:28-29
Isa. 53:3b...Rejected... Mt. 27:21-23
Isa. 53:3c...Great sorrow and grief... Lu. 19:41-42
Isa. 53:3d...Men hide from being associated with Him... Mk. 14:50-52
Isa. 53:4a...He would have a healing ministry... Lu. 6:17-19
Isa. 53:4b...He would bear the sins of the world... 1 Pet. 2:24
Isa. 53:4c...Thought to be cursed by God... Mt. 27:41-43
Isa. 53:5a...Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions... Lu. 23:33
Isa. 53:5b...His sacrifice would provide peace between man and God... Col. 1:20
Isa. 53:5c...His back would be whipped... Mt. 27:26
Isa. 53:6a...He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind...Gal. 1:4
Isa. 53:6b...God's will that He bear sin for all mankind... 1 Jn. 4:10
Isa. 53:7a...Oppressed and afflicted... Mt. 27:27-31
Isa. 53:7b...Silent before his accusers... Mt. 27:12-14
Isa. 53:7c...Sacrificial lamb... Jn. 1:29
Isa. 53:8a...Confined and persecuted... Mt. 26:47-27:31
Isa. 53:8b...He would be judged... Jn. 18:13-22
Isa. 53:8c...Killed.... Mt. 27:35
Isa. 53:8d...Dies for the sins of the world... 1 Jn. 2:2
Isa. 53:9a...Buried in a rich man's grave... Mt. 27:57
Isa. 53:9b...Innocent and had done no violence... Mk. 15:3
Isa. 53:9c...No deceit in his mouth... Jn. 18:38
Isa. 53:10a...God's will that He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Isa. 53:10b...An offering for sin... Mt. 20:28
Isa. 53:10c...Resurrected and live forever.... Mk. 16:16
Isa. 53:10d...He would prosper... Jn. 17:1-5
Isa. 53:11a...God fully satisfied with His suffering... Jn. 12:27
Isa. 53:11b...God's servant... Rom. 5:18-19
Isa. 53:11c...He would justify man before God... Rom. 5:8-9
Isa. 53:11d...The sin-bearer for all mankind... Heb. 9:28
Isa. 53:12a...Exalted by God because of his sacrifice... Mt. 28:18
Isa. 53:12b...He would give up his life to save mankind... Lu. 23:46
Isa. 53:12c...Grouped with criminals... Lu. 23:32
Isa. 53:12d...Sin-bearer for all mankind... 2 Cor. 5:21
Isa. 53:12e...Intercede to God in behalf of mankind... Lu. 23:34
Isa. 55:3...Resurrected by God... Acts 13:34
Isa. 55:4...A witness... Jn. 18:37
Isa. 59:15-16a...He would come to provide salvation... Jn. 6:40
Isa. 59:15-16b...Intercessor between man and God... Mt. 10:32
Isa. 59:20...He would come to Zion as their Redeemer... Lu. 2:38
Isa. 61:1-2a...The Spirit of God upon him... Mt. 3:16-17
Isa. 61:1-2b...The Messiah would preach the good news... Lu. 4:17-21
Isa. 61:1-2c...Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and death... Jn. 8:31-32
Isa. 61:1-2...Proclaim a period of grace... Jn. 5:24
Jer.23:5-6a...Descendant of David...Lu. 3:23-31
Jer. 23:5-6b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 13:13
Jer. 23:5-6c...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim. 3:16
Jer. 31:22...Born of a virgin... Mt. 1:18-20
Jer. 31:31...The Messiah would be the new covenant... Mt. 26:28
Jer. 33:14-15...Descendant of David... Lu. 3:23-31
Eze.17:22-24...Descendant of David... Lk. 3:23-31
Eze.34:23-24...Descendant of David... Mt. 1:1
Dan. 7:13-14a...He would ascend into heaven... Acts 1:9-11
Dan. 7:13-14b...Highly exalted... Eph. 1:20-22
Dan. 7:13-14c...His dominion would be everlasting... Lu. 1:31-33
Dan. 9:24a...To make an end to sins... Gal. 1:3-5
Dan. 9:24b...He would be holy... Lu. 1:35
Dan. 9:25...Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem... Jn. 12:12-13
Dan. 9:26a...Killed... Mt. 27:35
Dan. 9:26b...Die for the sins of the world... Heb. 2:9
Dan. 9:26c...Killed before the destruction of the temple... Mt. 27:50-51
Dan. 10:5-6...Messiah in a glorified state... Rev. 1:13-16
Hos. 13:14...He would defeat death... 1 Cor. 15:55-57
Joel 2:32...Offer salvation to all mankind... Rom. 10:12-13
Mic. 5:2a...Born in Bethlehem... Mt. 2:1-2
Mic. 5:2b...God's servant... Jn. 15:10
Mic. 5:2c...From everlasting... Jn. 8:58
Hag. 2:6-9...He would visit the second Temple... Lu. 2:27-32
Hag. 2:23...Descendant of Zerubbabel... Lu. 3:23-27
Zech. 3:8...God's servant... Jn. 17:4
Zech. 6:12-13...Priest and King... Heb. 8:1
Zech. 9:9a...Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem... Mt. 21:8-10
Zech. 9:9b...Beheld as King... Jn. 12:12-13
Zech. 9:9c...The Messiah would be just... Jn. 5:30
Zech. 9:9d...The Messiah would bring salvation... Luke 19:10
Zech. 9:9e...The Messiah would be humble... Mt. 11:29
Zech. 9:9f...Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey... Mt. 21:6-9
Zech. 10:4...The cornerstone... Eph. 2:20
Zech. 11:4-6a...At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders... Mt. 23:1-4
Zech. 11:4-6b...Rejection causes God to remove His protection.. Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:4-6c...Rejected in favor of another king... Jn. 19:13-15
Zech. 11:7...Ministry to "poor," the believing remnant... Mt. 9:35-36
Zech. 11:8a...Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them... Mt. 23:33
Zech. 11:8b...Despised... Mt. 27:20
Zech. 11:9...Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him... Mt. 13:10-11
Zech. 11:10-11a...Rejection causes God to remove protection... Lu. 19:41-44
Zech. 11:10-11b...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 14:7
Zech. 11:12-13a...Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver... Mt. 26:14-15
Zech. 11:12-13b...Rejected... Mt. 26:14-15
Zech. 11:12-13c...Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of the Lord... Mt. 27:3-5
Zech. 11:12-13d...The Messiah would be God... Jn. 12:45
Zech. 12:10a...The Messiah's body would be pierced... Jn. 19:34-37
Zech. 12:10b...The Messiah would be both God and man... Jn. 10:30
Zech. 12:10c...The Messiah would be rejected... Jn. 1:11
Zech. 13:7a...God's will He die for mankind... Jn. 18:11
Zech. 13:7b...A violent death... Mt. 27:35
Zech. 13:7c...Both God and man.. Jn. 14:9
Zech. 13:7d...Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him... Mt. 26:31-56
Mal. 3:1a...Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah... Mt. 11:10
Mal. 3:1b...Sudden appearance at the temple... Mk. 11:15-16
Mal. 3:1c...Messenger of the new covenant... Lu. 4:43
Mal. 4:5...Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah... Mt. 3:1-2
Mal. 4:6...Forerunner would turn many to righteousness... Lu. 1:16-17

mcubed · Dec 31, 2009

To answer why G-d had to die on the cross that is simple, to fulfill Scripture the Scripture says Hebrews 6:13-8:
13 For when God made his promise to Avraham, he swore an oath to do what he had promised; and since there was no one greater than himself for him to swear by, he swore by himself 14 and said, "I will certainly bless you, and I will certainly give you many descendants"; 15 and so, after waiting patiently, Avraham saw the promise fulfilled. 16 Now people swear oaths by someone greater than themselves, and confirmation by an oath puts an end to all dispute. 17 Therefore, when God wanted to demonstrate still more convincingly the unchangeable character of his intentions to those who were to receive what he had promised, he added an oath to the promise; 18 so that through two unchangeable things, in neither of which God could lie, we, who have fled to take a firm hold on the hope set before us, would be strongly encouraged. 19 We have this hope as a sure and safe anchor for ourselves, a hope that goes right on through to what is inside the parokhet, 20 where a forerunner has entered on our behalf, namely, Yeshua, who has become a cohen gadol forever, to be compared with Malki-Tzedek. 1 This Malki-Tzedek, king of Shalem, a cohen of God Ha'Elyon, met Avraham on his way back from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him; 2 also Avraham gave him a tenth of everything. Now first of all, by translation of his name, he is "king of righteousness"; and then he is also king of Shalem, which means "king of peace." 3 There is no record of his father, mother, ancestry, birth or death; rather, like the Son of God, he continues as a cohen for all time. 4 Just think how great he was! Even the Patriarch Avraham gave him a tenth of the choicest spoils. 5 Now the descendants of Levi who became cohanim have a commandment in the Torah to take a tenth of the income of the people, that is, from their own brothers, despite the fact that they too are descended from Avraham. 6 But Malki-Tzedek, even though he was not descended from Levi, took a tenth from Avraham. Also, he blessed Avraham, the man who received God's promises; 7 and it is beyond all dispute that the one who blesses has higher status than the one who receives the blessing. 8 Moreover, in the case of the cohanim, the tenth is received by men who die; while in the case of Malki-Tzedek, it is received by someone who is testified to be still alive. 9 One might go even further and say that Levi, who himself receives tenths, paid a tenth through Avraham; 10 inasmuch as he was still in his ancestor Avraham's body when Malki-Tzedek met him. 11 Therefore, if it had been possible to reach the goal through the system of cohanim derived from Levi (since in connection with it, the people were given the Torah), what need would there have been for another, different kind of cohen, the one spoken of as to be compared with Malki-Tzedek and not to be compared with Aharon? 12 For if the system of cohanim is transformed, there must of necessity occur a transformation of Torah. 13 The one about whom these things are said belongs to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar; 14 for everyone knows that our Lord arose out of Y'hudah, and that Moshe said nothing about this tribe when he spoke about cohanim. 15 It becomes even clearer if a "different kind of cohen," one like Malki-Tzedek, arises, 16 one who became a cohen not by virtue of a rule in the Torah concerning physical descent, but by virtue of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is stated, "You are a cohen FOREVER, to be compared with Malki-Tzedek." 18 Thus, on the one hand, the earlier rule is set aside because of its weakness and inefficacy 19 (for the Torah did not bring anything to the goal); and, on the other hand, a hope of something better is introduced, through which we are drawing near to God. 20 What is more, God swore an oath. For no oath was sworn in connection with those who become cohanim now; 21 but Yeshua became a cohen by the oath which God swore when he said to him, "ADONAI has sworn and will not change his mind, 'You are a cohen forever.'" 22 Also this shows how much better is the covenant of which Yeshua has become guarantor. 23 Moreover, the present cohanim are many in number, because they are prevented by death from continuing in office. 24 But because he lives forever, his position as cohen does not pass on to someone else; 25 and consequently, he is totally able to deliver those who approach God through him; since he is alive forever and thus forever able to intercede on their behalf. 26 This is the kind of cohen gadol that meets our need - holy, without evil, without stain, set apart from sinners and raised higher than the heavens; 27 one who does not have the daily necessity, like the other cohanim g'dolim, of offering up sacrifices first for their own sins and only then for those of the people; because he offered one sacrifice, once and for all, by offering up himself. 28 For the Torah appoints as cohanim g'dolim men who have weakness; but the text which speaks about the swearing of the oath, a text written later than the Torah, appoints a Son who has been brought to the goal forever. 1 Here is the whole point of what we have been saying: we do have just such a cohen gadol as has been described. And he does sit at the right hand of HaG'dulah in heaven.d 2 There he serves in the Holy Place, that is, in the true Tent of Meeting, the one erected not by human beings but by ADONAI. 3 For every cohen gadol is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so this cohen gadol too has to have something he can offer. 4 Now if he were on earth, he wouldn't be a cohen at all, since there already are cohanim offering the gifts required by the Torah. 5 But what they are serving is only a copy and shadow of the heavenly original; for when Moshe was about to erect the Tent, God warned him, "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern you were shown on the mountain." 6 But now the work Yeshua has been given to do is far superior to theirs, just as the covenant he mediates is better. For this covenant has been given as Torah on the basis of better promises. 7 Indeed, if the first covenant had not given ground for faultfinding, there would have been no need for a second one. 8 For God does find fault with the people when he says, "'See! The days are coming,' says ADONAI, 'when I will establish over the house of Isra'el and over the house of Y'hudah a new covenant. 9 "'It will not be like the covenant which I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by their hand and led them forth out of the land of Egypt; because they, for their part, did not remain faithful to my covenant; so I, for my part, stopped concerning myself with them,' says ADONAI. 10 "'For this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Isra'el after those days,' says ADONAI: 'I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 11 "'None of them will teach his fellow-citizen or his brother, saying, "Know ADONAI!" For all will know me, from the least of them to the greatest, 12 because I will be merciful toward their wickednesses and remember their sins no more.'"f 13 By using the term, "new," he has made the first covenant "old"; and something being made old, something in the process of aging, is on its way to vanishing altogether.
The bottom-line is the life is in the blood which could only be satisfied by G-d – Yashua the perfect, sinless G-d, Man.

RightKnowledge · Jan 24, 2010

Graybeard said:

( 1 ) Plus ( 1) Plus 1
God The Father God The Son God The Holy Ghost
Three Cannot Go Into One , With Yashu'a Was God How Could He Forsaken Himself (Matthew 27 ; 46 ... Mark 15; 34 ) And If He Was God Who Was He Calling Out To Himself ? I Thought God So Loved The World , That He Sent His Son To Die For You .. If That's True As John 3; 16 Says , Then Jesus Had Nothing To Do With It It Was That Father That Sent Him . In Matthew 6 ; 9 As Jesus Say '' Our Father Who Art In Heaven '' Because Jesus Say In John 13 ; 16 '' I Am Not Greater Than He Who Sent Me '' And In John 5; 30 He Says Again That '' I On My Own Accord Can Do Nothing '' Call No Man Father , Because There Is One Father Who Art In Heaven And Jesus Says Clearly In Matthew 23; 9 '' And Call No Man Your Father Upon The Earth

Truth Is Truth And If It Was About His Father's Will Then Why Did Jesus SAy In Matthew 26; 38 >> If Be Possible Let This Cup Pass By Me ; Nevertheless Not As I Will , But As Thou Wilt ''
Let Me Point Out A Few Points From Your Bible Stating That Jesus Couldn't Possibly Be God ..
Mark 15 ; 34 >> Jesus cried out with a loud voice My God , My God Why have thou Forsaken Me . <<< If Jesus was God who could he be praying to if he is the only God , and to cry is a human Weakness .
Mathew 4; 1 >>Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil << If Jesus was God how could the devil Possibly be able to tempt him without him knowing >> And What Could The Devil Possibly Offer The Creator Of Everything .
Luke 14 ; 26 >>

If anyman come to me , and hate not his Father And Mother And Wife And Chrildren And Brethren And Sister , Yea And His Own Life Also , He Cannot Be My Disciple . <<< If Jesus was God and he so loved the world why would you have to hate your family And even yourself , when it say in Leviticus 19 ; 1 That Hatred Is A Sin John 14 ; 2 >> In My Father House Are Many Mansions .>>> Jesus Said In My Father's House , He [ Didsn't Say In My House ] Would It Have Made Sense To Say In My House [ If He Was God ? ]

Luke 2; 49 >> That I Must Be About My Father's Business '>> If Jesus Was God Why Did He Say I Must Be Of My Fathers Business , He Indicated . [ The Distinction Between Him And His Father .
Was Only A Man >> Matthew 1 ; 25 ...... Was Baptized >>>> Matthew 3; 13
Was Tempted >>>> Matthew 4; 1 ...... Slept >>>> Matthew 8 ; 24
Ate >>> Luke 24 ; 42 ...... Hungered >>>> Matthew 21 ; 18
Weakened >>> John 4; 6 .... Said Something He Shouldn't Have John 20; 17
Cried At Lazarus Grave >> John 20; 17

wisdomseeker · Jan 24, 2010

Jesus is God's right hand

Peace be to you
John;
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

proverbs;
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
John 14;
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
mark;
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

acks 7;
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

numb;
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jesus is retored to the same position he was in before he was sent here.He is God's right hand,God word made flesh,
isiah;
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

john;
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

math;
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Love a friend in God

RightKnowledge · Jan 24, 2010

Re: Jesus is God's right hand

wisdomseeker said:

Peace be to you
John;
These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

proverbs;
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
John 14;
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
mark;
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

acks 7;
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

numb;
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Jesus is retored to the same position he was in before he was sent here.He is God's right hand,God word made flesh,
isiah;
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

john;
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

math;
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Love a friend in God

So Your Dismissing The Verses That Prove He Not God ? Could You Explain This For Me ?

There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .

joint-heir · Jan 24, 2010

I SEE THIS THREAD HAS EVERYTHING IN IT BUT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH

FIRST OF ALL

WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHO JESUS IS WITHOUT QUESTION

IT ALL BEGINS IN THE GARDEN

1. TREE OF LIFE = JESUS CHRIST
2. NOAH'S ARK = JESUS CHRIST
3. GENESIS 14:18-20 MELCHIZEDEK = TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST OUR HIGH PRIEST
4. GENESIS 18:1 And the LORD appeared = JESUS CHRIST
5. THE COVENANT IS FORETOLD OF A CHILD (ISAAC)TO COME = JESUS CHRIST
6. ABRAHAM TO SACRIFICE ISAAC IS A TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST
7. A SACRIFICE FOR ISAAC IS PROVIDED = JESUS CHRIST
8. JACOB STEALS BIRTHRIGHT = TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST SACRIFICE STEALS AWAY FOM SATANS SNARE OF SIN
9. JACOB WRESTLES WITH JESUS THE MAN BECOMES ISRAEL = NEW PROMISE WE HAVE IN JESUS CHRIST
10. TRIALS AND VICTORIES OF JOSEPH = OUR WALK IN JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD
11. EXODUS 3:6 " I AM " THE GOD OF THY FATHER-ABRAHAM-ISAAC-JACOB = JESUS CHRIST
12. EXODUS 3:7 And the LORD said = JESUS CHRIST
13. EXODUS 3:14 " I AM THAT I AM "..." I AM " = JESUS CHRIST
14. THE " BLOOD " ON DOORPOSTS DURING DEATH OF FIRSTBORNS = JESUS CHRIST
15. PARTING OF THE SEA AND DEATH OF PHAROAH = OUR WALK IN JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD
16. 40 YEARS WHERE THE HEBREWS CLOTHES AND SANDALS NEVER WORN
AND MANNA AND WATER WAS PROVIDED = JEUS CHRIST
17. ARK OF THE COVENANT = JESUS CHRIST DWELLING IN US WHEN WE BECOME THE HOLY TEMPLE OF GOD
18. 10 COMMANDMENTS = JESUS CHRIST
19. JOSHUA LEADS THE CHILDREN INTO THE PROMISED LAND = JESUS CHRIST LEADING US
20. GIDEONS VICTORIES = JESUS CHRIST BRINGS US TO VICTORY
21. SAMSON = THE STRENGTH WE HAVE IN JESUS CHRIST AGAINST EVIL
22. BOAZ = JESUS CHRIST SECURING OUR RIGHT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD
23. KING DAVID = A TYPE OF KING WHO JESUS CHRIST IS TO US HIS PEOPLE
24. ISAIAH 1:24-27 LORD, MIGHTY ONE OF ISRAEL = JESUS CHRIST
25. ISAIAH 7:14 VIRGIN CONCEIVES-A SON-IMMANUEL = JESUS CHRIST
26. ISAIAH 9:6 WONDERFUL-COUNSELOR-THE MIGHTY GOD- THE EVERLASTING FATHER-THE PRINCE OF PEACE =
JESUS CHRIST
27. ISAIAH CHAPTERS 40-66 ARE SPECIFIC = JESUS CHRIST
28. EZEKIEL 1:26-28 THE ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD AND GOD IS AS THE LIKENESS OF A MAN(26) = JESUS CHRIST
29. SHADRACH-MESHACH-ABEDNEGO + SON OF MAN IN FURNACE OF FIRE = JESUS CHRIST
30. DANIEL 7:30 JUDGEMENT - ANCIENT OF DAYS = JESUS CHRIST
31. HOSEA THRU MALACHI IS ABOUT MESSIAH REIGN AND END TIMES = JESUS CHRIST
32. MATTHEW 1:23 VIRGIN W/CHILD - EMMANUEL - GOD WITH US = JEUS CHRIST
33. JOHN 1:1-2 IN THE BEGINNING - WORD IS GOD - SAME WAS THE IN BEGINNING WITH GOD = JESUS CHRIST
34. JOHN 8:58 BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS..." I AM " = JESUS CHRIST
35. JOHN 14: PHILP ask JEUS to shew them the FATHER-JEUS answers, have I not been with you soo long
YOU DO NOT KNOW ME?
when you see ME you see the FATHER when you see the FATHER you see ME = JEUS CHRIST IS GOD
36. COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 JESUS IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD AND CREATOR OF ALL THINGS = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
37. COLOSSIANS 2:9 IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD(FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST) = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
38. 1 JOHN 5:6-7 on earth JESUS=BLOOD-WATER-SPIRIT : in heaven JESUS=FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST =
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
39. BOOK OF HEBREWS = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
40. ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS ABOUT THE LIFE AND DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST AS GOD

THERE IS A REASON WE CALL THE BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD
JESUS CHRIST IS WRITTEN ABOUT FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION
JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD

JESUS CHRIST IS ALMIGHTY GOD

GOD IS A SPIRIT
WHICH IS A HOLY SPIRIT
WHO SPOKE LIFE INTO EXISTENCE
AND BECAME FLESH FOR OUR RECOGNITION AND OUR SALVATION
THERE IS
ONLY ONE GOD
ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD
AND ONLY ONE WHO SITS UPON THAT THRONE

HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME
WHEN WE SPLIT
THE ONE GOD THINKING THERE ARE 3
WE NOW ARE HAVING GODS BEFORE THE ONE ONE GOD

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
THE ONE GOD AND IN HIM IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD(FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST)...COLOSSIANS 2:9

MahogonySnail · Jan 24, 2010

yes joint heir great post.

Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

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