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Belief will not save. James makes this clear. Only true faith saves (even you called it saving faith a few days ago)
The people of Israel BELIEVED in God. they did not HAVE FAITH IN GOD.
They continued to prove their lack of faith, and eventually nothing God could do would change their minds, they proved this when people went into the land and said their were giants in the land. The people fell from belief, they did not believe God could do a thing, and they would be defeated.
The people of Israel BELIEVED in God. they did not HAVE FAITH IN GOD.
They continued to prove their lack of faith, and eventually nothing God could do would change their minds, they proved this when people went into the land and said their were giants in the land. The people fell from belief, they did not believe God could do a thing, and they would be defeated.
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I just did. If you would open your eyes even a little you would see
The children of Israel BELIEVED God. (they saw all his miracles. they believe IN GOD.
The children of Israel fell from belief, proven by the fact, they stopped believing he could do anything (feed them, give them water, protect them from the giants in Canaan)
What they NEVER had, is saving FAITH in God.
They believed IN GOD. they NEVER trusted God. proven by their actions, which the author in hebrews was trying to show you
The children of Israel BELIEVED God. (they saw all his miracles. they believe IN GOD.
The children of Israel fell from belief, proven by the fact, they stopped believing he could do anything (feed them, give them water, protect them from the giants in Canaan)
What they NEVER had, is saving FAITH in God.
They believed IN GOD. they NEVER trusted God. proven by their actions, which the author in hebrews was trying to show you
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so you trust his boundaries.
But you do not trust him when he says you can KNOW (perfect tense) YOU HAVE eternal life, so you can continue to believe in his name?
If you do not KNOW you have eternal life based on the cross. Your basic foundation of life in Christ is on the sand, the wind will blow. and your foundation will crumble.
Build your foundation on that rock which is christ, Your foundation will never crumble.
But isn't faith the gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3) which accompanies rebirth?
And rebirth is the transformation (metamorphoo) from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life (Jn 5:24, 6:54) by grace through the gift of faith,
transformation from an enemy of God to an adopted child of God,
as the transformation (metamorphosis) from a caterpillar to a butterfly.
And, as in the natural order, one can't be unborn after they are born,
or cease being an adopted child, for they have the same legal status as a natural child, neither being changeable,
nor can a butterfly return to being a caterpillar.
The gift of faith, which is true faith, does not return to unbelief, anymore than a butterfly returns to being a caterpillar.
What "dies" is counterfeit faith, which had no root of rebirth and falls away in the time of testing (Lk 8:13).
Apostasy from one's profession of faith shows one's faith was counterfeit (1Jn 2:19).
God's saving gifts of rebirth, faith, repentance, justification/righteousness are irrevocable.
And it is God who uses many ways, including exhortations and warnings, chastisements and trials, to see to it that they are nourished and do grow.
But God's irrevocable gifts cannot "die" and return to unbelief, as the butterfly cannot return to its former state.
And rebirth is the transformation (metamorphoo) from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life (Jn 5:24, 6:54) by grace through the gift of faith,
transformation from an enemy of God to an adopted child of God,
as the transformation (metamorphosis) from a caterpillar to a butterfly.
And, as in the natural order, one can't be unborn after they are born,
or cease being an adopted child, for they have the same legal status as a natural child, neither being changeable,
nor can a butterfly return to being a caterpillar.
The gift of faith, which is true faith, does not return to unbelief, anymore than a butterfly returns to being a caterpillar.
What "dies" is counterfeit faith, which had no root of rebirth and falls away in the time of testing (Lk 8:13).
Apostasy from one's profession of faith shows one's faith was counterfeit (1Jn 2:19).
God's saving gifts of rebirth, faith, repentance, justification/righteousness are irrevocable.
And it is God who uses many ways, including exhortations and warnings, chastisements and trials, to see to it that they are nourished and do grow.
But God's irrevocable gifts cannot "die" and return to unbelief, as the butterfly cannot return to its former state.
God justifies the unrighteous (Ro 4:5) with his gift of righteousness/justification (Ro 4:17),
which causes them to discontinue their unrighteousness.
Those who habitually practice unrighteousness show that they have never been justified (declared "not guilty," by grace through the gifts of faith--Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3 and repentance--2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18, 5:31), sin forgiven, which is salvation (Lk 1:77).
which causes them to discontinue their unrighteousness.
Those who habitually practice unrighteousness show that they have never been justified (declared "not guilty," by grace through the gifts of faith--Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3 and repentance--2Tim 2:25; Ac 11:18, 5:31), sin forgiven, which is salvation (Lk 1:77).
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You cannot have it both ways.
On one hand, some here want salvation to be UNconditonal.
On the other hand these same people that want salvation to be UNconditional say the Christian must CONDITIONALLY live a certain type of life-syle free from sinning.
If salvation is truly UNcondtionally then the Christian can UNconditionally do as he pleases as the son in spending money on harlots.
You cannot have salvation be UNconditional yet at the same time claim what the Christian does or wants must be conditional.
Lastly, since the son went out and spent his money on harlots,
you say the truly saved would not want to do such,
then are you suggesting the son was never truly saved?
On one hand, some here want salvation to be UNconditonal.
On the other hand these same people that want salvation to be UNconditional say the Christian must CONDITIONALLY live a certain type of life-syle free from sinning.
If salvation is truly UNcondtionally then the Christian can UNconditionally do as he pleases as the son in spending money on harlots.
You cannot have salvation be UNconditional yet at the same time claim what the Christian does or wants must be conditional.
Lastly, since the son went out and spent his money on harlots,
you say the truly saved would not want to do such,
then are you suggesting the son was never truly saved?
1 Cor 6:9 says the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.
What verse says God will justify those that continue to live in unrighteousness without them having to do any righteousness at all?
The statement was made "that none of our actions are the cause of our eternal salvation".
If your actions have nothing to do with you being saved, then you would be claiming you can be saved while continuing to live in unrighteousness. And if one can be saved while continuing in unrighteousness, then there is no reason to think he cannot remain saved while still continuing to live in unrighteousness. One could live in unrighteousness his whole life and be saved.
So what did the father mean when he said "thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found"?
How could the son be alive AGAIN if he was NEVER alive BEFORE?
The son must have been with the father (alive) then left the father (dead) then came back to the father (alive again).
How could the son be alive AGAIN if he was NEVER alive BEFORE?
The son must have been with the father (alive) then left the father (dead) then came back to the father (alive again).
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