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Thanks for being forthright regarding your studies. You can have all of the books you want, but unless you act and have love in your heart, it means nothing. Look at the Popes, they are the most schooled people in the world and are mislead.
I still do not know what faith you are, I am Church of Christ as you know.
I still do not know what faith you are, I am Church of Christ as you know.
No....I do not.....the Bible states the following...
Whatsoever God does it is ETERNAL, nothing added nor taken away....
The verb tenses of numerous verses applied unto eternal life teaches a present continuing result from a past completed action
Christ saves to the uttermost and will not lose one person that has been given to him from the Father
The grace of God bounds ahead our sin and Christ stands continually interceding for the heirs of salvation
A son by birth cannot change the fact that they are a son by birth...we can break fellowship by sin, but our sonship remains secure
The righteousness of God had been imputed to the believer by faith and our sins have been nailed to the cross
Numerous sets of scriptures teach this...1st Corinthians 3 and those who have works of wood, hay and stubble will have their works burnt yet are saved, the prodigal son squandered his inheritance by riotious living and yet is ALIVE and a SON through the whole process and is still received as a heir and son, some vessels of HONOR and some not so honorable yet ALL are in the house, etc.......
This does not give license to live any way we want and God will use chastisement and even physical death to bring a believer back on line.
Whatsoever God does it is ETERNAL, nothing added nor taken away....
The verb tenses of numerous verses applied unto eternal life teaches a present continuing result from a past completed action
Christ saves to the uttermost and will not lose one person that has been given to him from the Father
The grace of God bounds ahead our sin and Christ stands continually interceding for the heirs of salvation
A son by birth cannot change the fact that they are a son by birth...we can break fellowship by sin, but our sonship remains secure
The righteousness of God had been imputed to the believer by faith and our sins have been nailed to the cross
Numerous sets of scriptures teach this...1st Corinthians 3 and those who have works of wood, hay and stubble will have their works burnt yet are saved, the prodigal son squandered his inheritance by riotious living and yet is ALIVE and a SON through the whole process and is still received as a heir and son, some vessels of HONOR and some not so honorable yet ALL are in the house, etc.......
This does not give license to live any way we want and God will use chastisement and even physical death to bring a believer back on line.
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I figured that....and I understand what you are saying....the problem here is you cannot see facial expressions and or accurately judge motive and or attitude unless it is obvious........Love and truth go hand in hand...we cannot chunk the truth in favor of love (not saying you are doing this)....I know that sometimes I use sarcasm....and to be fair Jesus, Paul, Elijah and other men of the bible used sarcasm sometimes....and I know I come across angry and or mouthy sometimes due to my bluntness.....but in reality am just sitting here as calm as a cucumber posting scripture and or alluding to scriptural precepts.....I am sorry if I offended you...I do not agree with COC doctrine as I do not believe we are saved or kept saved by works and or water or church membership, I do not believe you can lose salvation as it is based upon the completed workings and work of Christ and the 2 sets of scripture that is used by COC to condemn the use of musical instruments in the way of worship are not speaking of assembly capacity worship.....I was raised Landmark Missionary Baptist, but in the last 26 years of study have changed my mind on some of the doctrines that they teach.......
Jn 3:36
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
KJV
This verse clearly states that those who truly believe have everlasting life NOW (NOT at some future time).
If you have everlasting life now; and you don't have it tomorrow, it wasn't everlasting when you had it.
The word Lord means owner; as clearly seen in the word landlord. If you truly acknowledge that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross on your behalf gives him an ownership claim on your life; then there is no room for further discussion.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
KJV
This verse clearly states that those who truly believe have everlasting life NOW (NOT at some future time).
If you have everlasting life now; and you don't have it tomorrow, it wasn't everlasting when you had it.
The word Lord means owner; as clearly seen in the word landlord. If you truly acknowledge that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross on your behalf gives him an ownership claim on your life; then there is no room for further discussion.
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Hi eternally-gratefull, sorry I missed your post.
Seems like being nigh being near (even in time to it). Thats all the verse says, that the same are nigh to it.
Thats not what I would want to be near to (to be quite honest with you).
It doesnt appear they are too fruitful (or blessed already) in that thorny state.
The verse before speaks of those who receive the blessings from God, but these are nigh to something other than a blessing (but rather the cursing)
God bless you
Seems like being nigh being near (even in time to it). Thats all the verse says, that the same are nigh to it.
Thats not what I would want to be near to (to be quite honest with you).
It doesnt appear they are too fruitful (or blessed already) in that thorny state.
The verse before speaks of those who receive the blessings from God, but these are nigh to something other than a blessing (but rather the cursing)
God bless you
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I agree with you, I would not want to be standing in front of God knowing all my works (rewards) where tried by fire, and there is nothing ledt, because I did not produce much if any fruit. I would feel nakid.
then again, the fact that God still loved me, and still saved me, is better then hell anyday.
but to go through eternity knowing my works were birnt and I had nothing to give christ, would be devastating.
then again, the fact that God still loved me, and still saved me, is better then hell anyday.
but to go through eternity knowing my works were birnt and I had nothing to give christ, would be devastating.
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and I absolutely agree
My mother was saved but I could not convince her that we could NOT lose salvation. If we could keep it on our own merits, it would then become works. But now that doesn't matter too much. She's in His presence and knows for sure this is a truth.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
I can give testimony that we can 'try' to walk away from God but He will use a crushing chastisement to bring us back. And yes, even to the point of death if necessary and hold us there until we repent and submit. No loving parent would allow their child to play in traffic because the child wanted it. The parent would go to extremes to make sure that child stayed safe because they know what's best for them. This IS love.
They talk about an unspeakable joy. I felt it the day that the Holy Spirit unveiled the truth of eternal salvation to me. No matter what I did, NO ONE could take me from God's hand once I was His. With that comes the understanding that it is NOT a license to sin.
My mother was saved but I could not convince her that we could NOT lose salvation. If we could keep it on our own merits, it would then become works. But now that doesn't matter too much. She's in His presence and knows for sure this is a truth.
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9
I can give testimony that we can 'try' to walk away from God but He will use a crushing chastisement to bring us back. And yes, even to the point of death if necessary and hold us there until we repent and submit. No loving parent would allow their child to play in traffic because the child wanted it. The parent would go to extremes to make sure that child stayed safe because they know what's best for them. This IS love.
They talk about an unspeakable joy. I felt it the day that the Holy Spirit unveiled the truth of eternal salvation to me. No matter what I did, NO ONE could take me from God's hand once I was His. With that comes the understanding that it is NOT a license to sin.
I know...full assurance for sure......I don't understand how anyone can find hope in a teaching that leads one to believe that they are doomed to hell if they do not cross every t and dot every I.......I will make my boast in Christ and his finished work as I know there is no good thing in the flesh and the most righteous act I can do is stained and corrupt according to Isaiah....as a filthy rag for sure.......
are there enough saved people here to raise a dead man? (if there is, where is he? 
) (there is at least one, I HOPE)
eternal death is eternal.
eternal salvation is eternal.
everybody(on earth) shares in eternal death.
a lot of them think they have life,
and find out otherwise on JUDGMENT DAY . (so who can know!??!) (do anyone realize that's one thing, or there's one thing, in the NT --- it is written to all men --- "be terrified" of ... .... ... )
...............................................................there's few exceptions. GOD'S WORD SAYS SO.
) (there is at least one, I HOPE)eternal death is eternal.
eternal salvation is eternal.
everybody(on earth) shares in eternal death.
a lot of them think they have life,
and find out otherwise on JUDGMENT DAY . (so who can know!??!) (do anyone realize that's one thing, or there's one thing, in the NT --- it is written to all men --- "be terrified" of ... .... ... )
...............................................................there's few exceptions. GOD'S WORD SAYS SO.
derailed? not if (as it looks like) yahweh directed it. (wittingly for you or not). he has exposed the hearts of many , here included. not many rich, not many educated, not many >>>>>
"1 Corinthians 1 NKJV - Greeting - Paul, called to be an - Bible ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians...
[SUP]26[/SUP] For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh,
not many mighty, not many noble, are called. [SUP]27[/SUP] But God has chosen the foolish ..."
p.s. look up "be constantly angry with a righteous indignation" (as yhwh is) but don't go to sleep angry (don't let anger cause any sin on your part - be as yhwh says, do as yhwh says)....
"1 Corinthians 1 NKJV - Greeting - Paul, called to be an - Bible ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians...
[SUP]26[/SUP] For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh,
not many mighty, not many noble, are called. [SUP]27[/SUP] But God has chosen the foolish ..."
p.s. look up "be constantly angry with a righteous indignation" (as yhwh is) but don't go to sleep angry (don't let anger cause any sin on your part - be as yhwh says, do as yhwh says)....
that's why yahshua told the disciples he had to wash their feet...... and too many times(to repeat here ) in many places
the
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(you just don't get) to get rid of stink..... (he never leaves the lambs or the sheep dirty, stinky or ashamed --- not HIS flock. the others who are not HIS, yes, they stay stunk. HIS flock is clean, and whiter than snow !!!!!!! HE IS the GOOD SHEPHERD !!!!!!!!!!!)
the
things
(you just don't get) to get rid of stink..... (he never leaves the lambs or the sheep dirty, stinky or ashamed --- not HIS flock. the others who are not HIS, yes, they stay stunk. HIS flock is clean, and whiter than snow !!!!!!! HE IS the GOOD SHEPHERD !!!!!!!!!!!)
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Oh no, I dont believe those branches that dont continue to abide in him (and bear the fruit that comes by the Vine/ Christ) are even his.
Jesus shows how the Father takes those branches (which bear no fruit) away.
But I agree that Christ died for sinners, and our fruit is by Him, so no fruit (no abiding) and Jesus tells us what the Father does with those branches.
Does speak of trees whose fruit actually withereth too, almost as if once abiding and had their fruit but are not anymore (as their fruit is withereth) it says, so not just once dead but twice dead (as it is put)
But ofcourse how certain things are understood (or pushed away) and scurried around would definately depend on which angle certain are coming from (or what camp angle). Thats why I just prefer the scripture and less of my words because my words my seek to corrupt the straightness of his words and seek to bend them in an argument (towards the camp, or angle I love more then him) or something (as one might say). I always try to keep very conscience of that.
So however each camp sees that, I see as I see it as well, and try to stay out of going outside of them and wrest them down in my own words (as leading as our words can become).
God bless
Jesus shows how the Father takes those branches (which bear no fruit) away.
But I agree that Christ died for sinners, and our fruit is by Him, so no fruit (no abiding) and Jesus tells us what the Father does with those branches.
Does speak of trees whose fruit actually withereth too, almost as if once abiding and had their fruit but are not anymore (as their fruit is withereth) it says, so not just once dead but twice dead (as it is put)
But ofcourse how certain things are understood (or pushed away) and scurried around would definately depend on which angle certain are coming from (or what camp angle). Thats why I just prefer the scripture and less of my words because my words my seek to corrupt the straightness of his words and seek to bend them in an argument (towards the camp, or angle I love more then him) or something (as one might say). I always try to keep very conscience of that.
So however each camp sees that, I see as I see it as well, and try to stay out of going outside of them and wrest them down in my own words (as leading as our words can become).
God bless