Rapture= false teaching

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greatkraw

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Miktre, having had personal dealings with you I see that your first instinct is to misrepresent the position of your opponent.

This is called creating a paper tiger or a straw man.

Why do you personally feel threatened by the idea that Christ may come for his church without warning?
 
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miktre

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Miktre, having had personal dealings with you I see that your first instinct is to misrepresent the position of your opponent.

This is called creating a paper tiger or a straw man.

Why do you personally feel threatened by the idea that Christ may come for his church without warning?
Stop making this personal and address the scripture I posted. Does one not have ample opportunity to post scripture and to properly explain themselves on this forum?
No raputist can make past the first verses I posted, much less the rest of them I provided and shall never make the word of God void. Christ spoke these words to us and no man can remove them away, EVER.

MATTHEW 24

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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greatkraw

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round and round we go

i have stated my position more than once with references

you are not teachable

you did not explain why you feel threatened - I could speculate some possibilities if you llike
 
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It's odd to me that we all call outselves christians and we fight like Dogs.
We all get angry when we feel threatened. I think a lot of people her feel threatened.
I'm not her to sway people. God will sort it all out in the end. I'm here to tell people the truth, in a loving way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TTNq7OnLmo&feature=related
What's jesus's primary point to us?
 
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miktre

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round and round we go
You seem to be just wanting to stir the pot as a busy body rather than address the scripture.

i have stated my position more than once with references
You have not addressed Matthew 24:21-30 nor can you or any rapturist. I was never asking for your position but rather the an honest position of the word.

you are not teachable
Certainly not from you.

you did not explain why you feel threatened - I could speculate some possibilities if you llike
I feel no threat for the word of God cannot be broken.
You can speculate all day long if you like but its still just speculation.
 
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miktre

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It's odd to me that we all call outselves christians and we fight like Dogs.
We all get angry when we feel threatened. I think a lot of people her feel threatened.
I'm not her to sway people. God will sort it all out in the end. I'm here to tell people the truth, in a loving way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TTNq7OnLmo&feature=related
What's jesus's primary point to us?
I'm not angry at all, when someone starts changing the scripture to say "evil days" instead of "the evil day" I'm going to say something about it.
 
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greatkraw

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I'm not angry at all, when someone starts changing the scripture to say "evil days" instead of "the evil day" I'm going to say something about it.
I agree, I hate people misrepresenting the truth like

um

describing an old retaining wall as a temple wall:D

or saying I believe something that I do not in fact believe
 
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miktre

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I agree, I hate people misrepresenting the truth like

um

describing an old retaining wall as a temple wall:D

or saying I believe something that I do not in fact believe
Stop it right now and address the scripture or I have nothing to say to you.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I'm not angry at all, when someone starts changing the scripture to say "evil days" instead of "the evil day" I'm going to say something about it.
This was simply a typo. Now I'm done.
 
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miktre

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PROMISE????????????????:D:D:D
Of course, because you can't address the scripture. Please stop behaving this way, lets show a little maturity and get back to a humble, honest look at it.


MATTHEW 24

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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greatkraw

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Rev 3:!0Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
 
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miktre

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Rev 3:!0Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Of course he will keep thee that is his promise but keep or preserve thee doesn't mean rapture.
John 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Are you gonna address the teaching of Matthew 24:21-31?



MATTHEW 24

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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greatkraw

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it is a promise that I personally will not experience Matthew 24
I will watch it on CNN in heaven
 
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miktre

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it is a promise that I personally will not experience Matthew 24
I will watch it on CNN in heaven
So you're either saying you are going to die before then or are you saying you are not one of God's elect?
 
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miktre

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See Miktre

you know very well what I mean.
Well no, I really don't, the Word said it plainly. So the only conclusion from searching the scriptures is you've either physically died or you are not one of the elect.

MATTHEW 24

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the
elect's
sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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miktre

Guest
I just realized I kept leaving the last verse of Matthew 24 out.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.