How long 'til the end?

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phil112

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3Scoreand10 said:
Yes I do believe it is literal...................
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Revelation, start of chapter twelve... "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born............

You see this as an actual event as described? Wow!
 
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phil112 said:
So Revelation is literal. Thanks. I've been puzzling over it for years thinking symbolism was being used. I'll have to read it again. Should be much easier to understand now that I have the key.
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And, here I thought you couldn't be sarcastically humorous. LOL
 
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Dan58 said:
No one knows, all we can do is give our best guess.. My soonest guess would be around 3 years, 6 months, 1 week. and 5.5 days from the time of this posting.. But don't quote me, I could be off 2 to 4 hours :)
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Personally, because of Hezekiah 3:16, I think you are 3.7 days off.
 
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phil112 said:
A week, in that prophecy, is seven years. Tell us, within seven years, when the end is then. :)
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You obviously didn't read my original post (#24), try reading it!
 
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phil112

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jb said:
You obviously didn't read my original post (#24), try reading it!
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Read post 32. I have a tendency to not pay a whole lot of attention to people who are often in error.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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phil112 said:
Revelation, start of chapter twelve... "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born............

You see this as an actual event as described? Wow!
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is it describing literal things, or just hogwash?

Not being sarcastic, just asking
 
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eternally-gratefull

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InSpiritInTruth said:
You need to look at prophecy by all scripture of course, including all the gospel accounts. But Luke puts the time frame in better perspective because it speaks of the "times of the Gentiles" being fulfilled "after those days" of tribulation to the Jews, this first tribulation period starting right after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 ad as Jesus said.
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The times of the gentile is not fulfilled. What makes you think it is?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree with most. we do not know the time or can we.

We can look at things and know it may be close. Birth pangs are definately upon us Mankind also has the ability to wipe all flesh off the earth, which Jesus said he would return before that could happen.

Does this mean anything in grand scheme of things? No, Still maye be 1000 years away, But it does make you wonder, all you need to is three men to push some buttons, and all life on earth will cease to exist in a matter of a few years.
 
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Does it matter? If you knew Jesus was returning tomorrow, what would you do?

The value of this question is saying are you doing the right thing today, or are you getting distracted. Jesus's parables seem to be about being distracted and not focusing on what is important. The terror begrade seem to want everybody to sell up and wait, because it is holiday time. Trouble is this makes a mockery of the whole gospel, its emphasis, and meeting the daily needs of those around you. Most of what we do, is about meeting needs, which until the Lord returns stay the same.

So it makes me wonder if all this shout the warning stuff, is just gumf, rather we should shout the warning that nutcases will bring about the end because they are so certain there is great value in bringing judgement rather than spreading love and salvation.
 
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PeterJens said:
Does it matter? If you knew Jesus was returning tomorrow, what would you do?

The value of this question is saying are you doing the right thing today, or are you getting distracted. Jesus's parables seem to be about being distracted and not focusing on what is important. The terror begrade seem to want everybody to sell up and wait, because it is holiday time. Trouble is this makes a mockery of the whole gospel, its emphasis, and meeting the daily needs of those around you. Most of what we do, is about meeting needs, which until the Lord returns stay the same.

So it makes me wonder if all this shout the warning stuff, is just gumf, rather we should shout the warning that nutcases will bring about the end because they are so certain there is great value in bringing judgement rather than spreading love and salvation.
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I agree.

does it really matter if we figure out the day? What difference would knowing have on our lives? How would it practically change our lives?
 
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3Scoreand10 said:
Yes I do believe it is literal.
But remember that John was recording events that would take place in the future and had to do so in a way that his reader would understand. Some things were difficult to describe.
What we call the TRIBULATION PERIOD is actually what Daniel records as the final 70 week (last 7 years) that God will deal with Israel before He returns to rule.
So to understand Revelation one must study Daniel and understand what he says.
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in spirit, and write what you see, is not literal.
0I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet,11 saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."Revelation 1

like a vision or dream, in spirit, write what you see, dose not explain what is seen etc.

13 But as for you, go your way to the end; then you will enter into rest and rise again for your allotted portion at the end of the age."Daniel 12

when was a resurrection proven (32 ad)​
 
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[SUP]42[/SUP] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[SUP]43[/SUP] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
[SUP]44[/SUP] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We don't know what day or hour the Lord is going to come back. That's why He wants us to watch and pray so that we won't be surprised and taken off guard when it does happen. In other words, the Lord is not going to tell us the exact hour or day but He does want us to live our lives as if we belief it is going to happen within the next 24 hours. We have to be prepared for His second coming at all times, watch and pray so our house won't be broken up while we're sound asleep. In other words it actually won't come upon us as a thief in the night if we are watching and praying and watching out for the signs of the times.


[SUP]1[/SUP] But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
[SUP]2[/SUP] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[SUP]3[/SUP] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[SUP]4[/SUP] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[SUP]5[/SUP] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
[SUP]7[/SUP] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

The early disciples thought that Jesus was going to come back in their lifetime. Jesus planned it this way because He wanted His disciples to live as if they thought He was, so they would continually watch and pray and be sober and vigilant. Because, as a matter of fact, they were living in the end time.The time period known as the end time started at the first coming of Jesus and will end at the second coming of Jesus. Everything that has happened for the last 2000 years since the first coming of Jesus was to set the stage for the final end time events and the final showdown between God and the devil, Christ and the Antichrist, good and evil. Little did the early disciples know, but that there was still going to be another 2000+ years of end time events to shape the world in preparation for this final showdown. But they did there job of going into all the world and preaching the Gospel to every creature, which is also one of the signs of the end.

[SUP]14[/SUP] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Then, at the time of the reformation, the reformists thought they were living in the end time and that the Pope was the Antichrist. Well, they were wrong about the pope being the Antichrist, but they were right about the fact that they were living in the time of the end. But, little did they know, that there was still going to be at least another 500-600+ years of endtime events to go. Nevertheless, they watched and prayed and did the job that Jesus had called them to do of going into all the world to preach the gospel to every creature. Now, here we are, almost 600 years after Martin Luther, more than 2000 years after the first coming of Jesus.

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. (Here, the word Salvation is meant to refer to the second coming of Jesus. Our resurrection is nearer now than when we first believed got saved)

It was nearer than when the early church first believed and it is even nearer now. So, we don't know whether the second coming is going to be within the next 5-6 years, 15-20 years, or 50-60 years. But we do have to watch and pray,be sober and vigilant, be on guard and live as if today is going to be our last day on earth, because, for all we know, it very well could be. And just continue to do the job that Jesus has called us to:

Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Otherwise we might end up being one of those who fulfill this prophecy that Peter gave:


[SUP]3[/SUP] Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4[/SUP] And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

And I don't think any of us want to be like those scoffers.
 
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phil112 said:
Hey I wasn't sure if God knew that or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me! :rolleyes:
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LOL (I assumed you knew that, but I never know how new someone is... especially since I'm so new to this site. So, thanks for getting the giggle there. I was hoping it got at least a chuckle out of it.)
 
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atwhatcost

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3Scoreand10 said:
Yes I do believe it is literal.
But remember that John was recording events that would take place in the future and had to do so in a way that his reader would understand. Some things were difficult to describe.
What we call the TRIBULATION PERIOD is actually what Daniel records as the final 70 week (last 7 years) that God will deal with Israel before He returns to rule.
So to understand Revelation one must study Daniel and understand what he says.
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Why are you so sure he was recording the future? After all, if all Christians are getting killed off at that moment, isn't it good those people get some kind of understanding this isn't the end? They were the people of that tribulation. Jerusalem was destroyed. The Temple did have several feet high of dead people in it. The blood was flowing so much it was ankle deep in the streets. The sun was blotted out by the smoke of the burning. It wasn't going to happen, it was happening. Who needs to know God's in control more than the people feeling the whole world around them is utterly out of control enough that they will die any moment now? (And they did, too often.)
 
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atwhatcost

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Dan58 said:
No one knows, all we can do is give our best guess.. My soonest guess would be around 3 years, 6 months, 1 week. and 5.5 days from the time of this posting.. But don't quote me, I could be off 2 to 4 hours :)
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Worse yet! I don't know exactly when you posted this and in which time zone you're in, so I might have lost a whole day already. Eeeek! lol
 
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atwhatcost

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jb said:
The Lord Jesus said "But of that day and hour knoweth no man..." Matt 24v36

We won't know the day or hour, BUT we will know the week by Daniel's 70th week prophecy that the Lord points us to (in answer to the apostle's question, Matt 24v3)! Dan 9v27, Matt 24v15

The Lord Jesus is speaking to His Church and immediately means just that..."IMMEDIATELY"!

DON'T READ INTO SCRIPTURE WHAT YOU WANT IT TO MEAN!

READ WHAT IS THERE!
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Really? Does that include assuming Daniel's prophecy is about the end of the world, or are you only the one who can read more into it than is there? I like to get my rules right.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I agree with most. we do not know the time or can we.

We can look at things and know it may be close. Birth pangs are definately upon us Mankind also has the ability to wipe all flesh off the earth, which Jesus said he would return before that could happen.

Does this mean anything in grand scheme of things? No, Still maye be 1000 years away, But it does make you wonder, all you need to is three men to push some buttons, and all life on earth will cease to exist in a matter of a few years.
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Ahhh! Does that mean you disagree with Dan, who said, "My soonest guess would be around 3 years, 6 months, 1 week. and 5.5 days from the time of this posting.. But don't quote me, I could be off 2 to 4 hours" I can't help it, I appreciate a good as it gets guess. lol

On a more serious note, it's not Man pushing buttons that ends it all. We don't have the technology to wipe out heaven and earth, and we have no talent for bringing in a new heaven and earth.

With that, I'm thinking your guess of a thousand years is as likely as Dan's guess.
 
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