Jesus's Resurrection?

[ivanc0]

God could be anything he wants, Christ came to overcome dead, so living bodies are the result of that victory, if God decides to be spirit of have a body is his prerogative, some how having a body is important, but I do not know the details.

 

[marff]

Remember He is the Lord over all and creator of all - john 1: 3,also His body after resurrection is a glorified body.

 

[Galahad]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Weber has left the bakery! Too hot.

 

[Galahad]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Weber has left the bakery! Too hot.

Weber, are you there. I would like to discuss some of your posts. Please.

 

[wincam]

I am indeed surprised and then again not really - to me three of the most poignant words uttered by Jesus to Mary when she recognized Him were 'Touch me not' has not received a single mention as if of no consequence - this requires a lot of pondering in the main because the real message has been lost and most refuse to reinstate it - so don't you dare but I will - so what did actually happen at 'The Fall' - we being created as spiritual beings fell into physical and materiality - that's just for starters,more later but only if interested or allowed to proceed - wincam

 

[MarcR]

As I tried to remark earlier, there is a huge difference between agreeing that Jesus came to earth in the flesh (in a real flesh and blood body); and saying that He lived in the flesh (according to worldly standards and values). Jesus, at His birth, came in the flesh, (arrived in a real human body); but, from birth to death, and after His resurrection, Jesus was in the Spirit at all times. Ro 8:2-9
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
KJV

 

[Elin]

And what about this scripture?
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
I'm not debating rather he was in flesh or spirit,I'm just trying to understand.

Paul's use of "flesh and blood" does not mean human tissue and body fluid.

He uses it to mean the natural, sinful, weak, corrupt, mortal body.

This is the body that will not enter heaven.
At the resurrection it will be transformed into a glorious, sinless, incorruptible, immortal body,
like Jesus' resurrection body.

That is the only kind of body that can enter heaven.

 

[Elin]

When Jesus rose from the dead he was obviously in the flesh. Luke 24:39
So does this mean he entered heaven in the flesh and not by spirit? So could heaven be a physical place? I'm having a tough time understanding this part.

His spirit was reunited as a unit with his physical immortal body, which ascended to heaven.

Scripture tells us nothing more about the matter.

 

[Elin]

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You know what else can't be done in the flesh? Walking on water; especially
while a storm is blowing and waves are tossing. (Matt 14:24-32)

Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, virgin-born, calmed storms, restored
withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and leprosy,
multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the dead,
read people's thoughts, observed a man from a distance without being
anywhere near where the man was, withered a fig tree, etc. Come on now;
what's another miracle for a man like that?

BTW: The Watch Tower Society claims that Christ's post resurrection
appearances were not him at all. They were performed by an angel named
Michael concealed in a human avatar that looked like Christ. Apparently the
avatar could be materialized and de-materialized at will so Michael walked
through the closed door as an angel and then donned the avatar once he
was on the other side.

Now that's "creative". . .

 

[Elin]

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I'm going to deliberately re-word 1Cor 15:44. Watch for the changes.

"It is sown a solid body; it is raised a spirit body. There is a solid body, and
there is a spirit body."

I did it like that to bring out the point that the koiné Greek word for
"spiritual" is ambiguous; viz: it doesn't always indicate thin air. Below is a
list of spiritual things that bear absolutely no resemblance whatsoever to
things consisting of thin air.

spiritual gifts (Rom 1:11)
spiritual law (Rom 7:14)
spiritual things (Rom 15:27)
spiritual people (1Cor 2:15)
spiritual nourishment (1Cor 10:3)
spiritual water (1Cor 10:4)
spiritual rock (1Cor 10:4)
spiritual blessings (Eph 1:3)
spiritual music (Eph 5:19)
spiritual understanding (Col 1:9)
spiritual housing (1Pet 2:5)
spiritual sacrifices (1Pet 2:5)

So, with all that under our belts; I propose that we paraphrase 1Cor 15:44
to read as follows:

"It is sown a normal human body, it is raised up a superhuman body. There
is a natural human body, and there is a supernatural human body."

That works for me because "supernatural" implies a human body similar in
some respects to the man of steel popularly known at Comic Con as
Superman. The heroic figure from the planet Krypton isn't constructed of
thin air; but rather; of some sort of indestructible human tissue. It looks like
ordinary human tissue; but in his case, appearances can be deceiving.

I sincerely believe that the spiritual body spoken of at 1Cor 15:44 is in no
way composed of spirit. Of what material it is composed I don't know; but I
do know at least three things about it. One is that the material is totally
unknown to modern physics, and two; it's living tissue, and the third is that
it's impervious to death and putrefaction.

The spiritual body is a glorious body.

†. Matt 16:28-17:2 . .Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are
standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man
coming in His kingdom. And six days later Jesus took with Him Peter and
James and John his brother, and brought them up to a high mountain by
themselves. And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like
the sun, and His garments became as white as light." (Matt 16:28-17:2)

A glorious body is capable of dining upon ordinary foods.

†. Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

A glorious body is capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.

†. Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

A glorious body is a heavenly body.

†. Php 3:20-21 . . Our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a
savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him
to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

Paul never uses "spiritual" to mean non-physical, non-material, nor-corporeal.

It always means the realm of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elin]

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But it wasn't the LORD that appeared out of the flame....

Jesus and Exodus say it was God (Mk 12:26; Ex 3:4).

 

[WebersHome]

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Paul never uses "spiritual" to mean non-physical, non-material, non
corporeal. It always means the realm of the Holy Spirit.

Didn't Paul compose the letter to the Ephesians?

†. Eph 6:12 . . For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You might want to revise your statement to read "almost never" and "almost
always"

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[Galahad]

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Didn't Paul compose the letter to the Ephesians?

†. Eph 6:12 . . For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this
world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

You might want to revise your statement to read "almost never" and "almost
always"

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Weber,
Glad you're back.
I don't know if you saw my question concerning your statement that God created a body for Christ. Can you address it? Please.

 

[Galahad]

Weber,
Glad you're back.
I don't know if you saw my question concerning your statement that God created a body for Christ. Can you address it? Please.

Weber,
My question appears at Post 31.

 

[wincam]

Paul never uses "spiritual" to mean non-physical, non-material, nor-corporeal.

It always means the realm of the Holy Spirit.

this should be seriously pondered and grasped in view of the fact that one of the greatest if not the greatest achievement of science was/is the dematerialisation of matter - so no matter no matter what - we were created spiritual beings but have fallen into the mesmerism of matter as an enchantment instigated by the devil imho - wincam

 

[WebersHome]

My question appears at Post 31.

After labeling my comments confusing, unbiblical, nonsense, ridiculous, and
absurd; you're asking for more of the same? No.

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[Elin]

Paul never uses "spiritual" to mean non-physical, non-material, non-corporeal.

It always means the realm/domain of the Holy Spirit.

this should be seriously pondered and grasped in view of the fact that one of the greatest if not the greatest achievement of science was/is
the dematerialisation of matter - so no matter no matter what - we were created spiritual beings but have fallen into the mesmerism of matter as an enchantment instigated by the devil imho - wincam

Baloney. . .

We are physical beings. . .the whole universe is physical.

 

[tourist]

this should be seriously pondered and grasped in view of the fact that one of the greatest if not the greatest achievement of science was/is the dematerialisation of matter -

I believe that you are attempting to describe warp drive. Something to do with the balance of matter and anti-matter. I forget what episode of Star Trek that this was explained. As Dr. McCoy (Bones) would say, "How do I know? I'm a physician and not a physicist."

 

[Galahad]

After labeling my comments confusing, unbiblical, nonsense, ridiculous, and
absurd; you're asking for more of the same? No.

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Those so-called labels are part of discussion. They are not against you, but against your unsupported statements. Part of debate.

Had you referred to my statements with such terms, I would simply explain what I meant and given Bible verses to back them up.

You did answer my question about manufacture (for clarification). You answered it even though I had already posted those words that you refer to as labels in my previous reply.

But you won't clarify this: "The elements that God used in manufacturing Christ's glorious body are not of the earth. The elements used to manufacture his glorious body are currently unknown to science."

Odd not to clarify or explain the meaning.

By the way, those labels don't mean what you suppose they mean. Just ignore them.

 

[mikeuk]

When Jesus rose from the dead he was obviously in the flesh. Luke 24:39
So does this mean he entered heaven in the flesh and not by spirit? So could heaven be a physical place? I'm having a tough time understanding this part.

The question is philosophical because it somewhat limits God to accepting your concept of "physical place" as understood by existing people and science. Yet even present science has tenets of multiverses and more dimensions beyond our senses. The universe is far bigger and stranger than we can comprehend, and that is just the parts we detect!

So have faith that heaven exists! And by grace, you will have all eternity to decide what the mystery means!