Millions of years ago ! ?

[posthuman]

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:2)
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how long did the Spirit of God hover over "the waters" ?

billions of years? couple earth-hours, tops?

(i don't have any idea)

 

[posthuman]

from the appendix of a secular sci-fi novel i read last week, paraphrased:

most people have this false idea of evolution where the environment changes and then organisms adapt to survive. that's ########. the adaptions are already present before the environment changes, and then those that are fit survive the changes in the environment. ​

preparation precludes happening. even the basic evolutionary process of 'survival of the fittest' begs the question of design. if there is any such thing as "why" then there is a Creator. birds had to have had wings before they learned to fly - they didn't find themselves falling out of a nest and only then decide that growing wings would be a good survival strategy. when they first sprouted them, they appeared useless.

maybe this doesn't fit the topic exactly, but it was on my mind

 

[wincam]

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:2) w long did the Spirit of God hover over "the waters" ?

billions of years? couple earth-hours, tops?

(i don't have any idea)​

if a 24hr day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a 24hr day to God and billions of years to humans guess how long an instant is - wincam

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[Bushido8000]

Lol, the supposedly vestigal leg and pelvic bones in whales and snakes and such are not vestigal at all. Nor are they former leg bones. Lol this is actually one of the easiest to disprove lies of the old earth mythology. Sadly like most of the old earth mythology that has been debunked, this one is still taught in schools and thus people become brainwashed even though this is disproven, even by some old earth mythology institutions.

So what is the purpose of these bones then? Well, they are found in the males. It appears the reason is for the "be fruitful and multiply" blessing that God granted to all the creatures of the waters and land.

Whale Pelvic Bones Actually Do Have a Purpose (Hint: Sex) : Discovery News
(Note: Discovery is an old earth mythological institution.)

That doesn't do anything to disprove old earth theory. It only disputes evolution. I don't believe in evolution but I fully believe the universe is billions of years old. They have nothing to do with one another. In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. No where in the Bible does it indicate a time-frame in which that took place. It's an incredibly assumed doctrine to believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

 

[Stephen63]

In order to develop the next generation of scientists, I recommend that all schools use the bible to teach them physics, chemistry, genetics... This way science would surely progress rapidly...

It was the Bible itself that stated that knowledge would increase:

Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[wincam]

It was the Bible itself that stated that knowledge would increase:

Daniel 12:4 (KJV) But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

we must of course beware of pseudo/phony science as per 1.Tim 6:20 - wincam

 

[oldhermit]

if a 24hr day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as a 24hr day to God and billions of years to humans guess how long an instant is - wincam

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This is not intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is contingent upon time.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

That doesn't do anything to disprove old earth theory. It only disputes evolution. I don't believe in evolution but I fully believe the universe is billions of years old. They have nothing to do with one another. In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth. No where in the Bible does it indicate a time-frame in which that took place. It's an incredibly assumed doctrine to believe the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

As I said, vestigal parts such as these are merely one of the easiest to disprove lies of the old earth mythology. It is merely one piece of the puzzle so-to-speak. The old earth mythology, like any mythology, is massive and it has many components. So right here I have just shown you proof that disproves a major component that is oft held up as proof of both darwinist evolution and old earth mythology. The more disturbing fact is this, like the many other errors of old earth mythology this is still taught as a fact, even though it is not. The reason seems obvious to me.

Personally, I think evolution could be reworked/redefined in a matter that fits reality, but the old earth mythology cannot.

The Bible does indeed give a timeline. The formula for the Bible timeline is something like this:
7 Days of Creation + Generations of Adam to Jesus + time from Jesus' resurrection to today + Revelation + Eternity = Bible Timeline

 

[ivanc0]

The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
(Genesis 1:2)
​

how long did the Spirit of God hover over "the waters" ?

billions of years? couple earth-hours, tops?

(i don't have any idea)

Impossible!
water H2O, two molecules of hydrogen plus one of oxygen.
Oxygen heavier atom produced in stars and super nova,
So stars have to exist first for billions of years, burn and explode for water to exist.

 

[Bushido8000]

As I said, vestigal parts such as these are merely one of the easiest to disprove lies of the old earth mythology. It is merely one piece of the puzzle so-to-speak. The old earth mythology, like any mythology, is massive and it has many components. So right here I have just shown you proof that disproves a major component that is oft held up as proof of both darwinist evolution and old earth mythology. The more disturbing fact is this, like the many other errors of old earth mythology this is still taught as a fact, even though it is not. The reason seems obvious to me.

Personally, I think evolution could be reworked/redefined in a matter that fits reality, but the old earth mythology cannot.

The Bible does indeed give a timeline. The formula for the Bible timeline is something like this:
7 Days of Creation + Generations of Adam to Jesus + time from Jesus' resurrection to today + Revelation + Eternity = Bible Timeline

You are choosing to leave out a critical (and biblical) piece of the timeline though and calling it proof of young earth theory. The actual timeline is: Heavens and Earth creation (possibly taking billions of years) +7 Days of Creation after Earth is formed +Generations of Adam to Jesus + time from Jesus' resurrection to today + Revelation + Eternity = Bible Timeline.

 

[oldhermit]

Impossible!
water H2O, two molecules of hydrogen plus one of oxygen.
Oxygen heavier atom produced in stars and super nova,
So stars have to exist first for billions of years, burn and explode for water to exist.

What does any of this nonsense have to do with, "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." Genesis 1:2

 

[GodIsSalvation]

You are choosing to leave out a critical (and biblical) piece of the timeline though and calling it proof of young earth theory. The actual timeline is: Heavens and Earth creation (possibly taking billions of years) +7 Days of Creation after Earth is formed +Generations of Adam to Jesus + time from Jesus' resurrection to today + Revelation + Eternity = Bible Timeline.

Nay, for the heavens and earth and all that are in them were created in the 6 days, plus the day of rest, 7 days.

Exodus 20:11

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[ivanc0]

A very interesting point is that nothing comes from nothing.

So the big bang is impossible, ok, makes sense,

Where God comes from? He has no father or mother (only sons, some of them really scary, others loving like Jesus, my favorite.), God comes from nothing.

So both theories are even.

 

[JackH]

Personally, I think evolution could be reworked/redefined in a matter that fits reality, but the old earth mythology cannot.

"The resulting knowledge has led to the current understanding that the earth is 4.55 billion years old."

You can find that statement in this article:How Science Figured Out the Age of Earth - Scientific American

If I wanted to find something Dr. Jerry Bergman, cited by several young earth creationists as a credible source in this thread, wrote I could find something he wrote in David Duke's (former Grand Wizard of the KKK) magazine.

 

[kodiak]

A very interesting point in that nothing comes from nothing.

So the big bang is impossible, ok, makes sense,

Where God comes from? He has no father or mother (only sons, some of them really scary, other loving like Jesus), God comes from nothing.

So both theories are even.

You are saying that God was created? I don't believe it....
Since when does God need to be created?

 

[oldhermit]

A very interesting point is that nothing comes from nothing.

So the big bang is impossible, ok, makes sense,

Where God comes from? He has no father or mother (only sons, some of them really scary, others loving like Jesus, my favorite.), God comes from nothing.

So both theories are even.

Ivan, the more you talk the less sense you make. Do you not understand that God is the causative agent of all things. Mater is the product of the mind of God. There are no other antecedents.

 

[VioletReigns]

A very interesting point is that nothing comes from nothing.

So the big bang is impossible, ok, makes sense,

Where God comes from? He has no father or mother (only sons, some of them really scary, others loving like Jesus, my favorite.), God comes from nothing.

So both theories are even.

I can't believe there ever being "nothing." Then again, God's ways and thoughts are so high, we can't perceive it. So what do I know?

 

[ivanc0]

"The resulting knowledge has led to the current understanding that the earth is 4.55 billion years old."

You can find that statement in this article:How Science Figured Out the Age of Earth - Scientific American

If I wanted to find something Dr. Jerry Bergman, cited by several young earth creationists as a credible source in this thread, wrote I could find something he wrote in David Duke's (former Grand Wizard of the KKK) magazine.

Great article, if science is wrong, then our society and marvellous electronics and internet and medicine etc etc... is just a dream, it does not exists, and you have not read this words.

 

[ivanc0]

It is funny that scientists say that the earth is billions of years old,like how do you measure that.

It seems like they want to make out that the earth is so old that it shatters the 6000 years old earth,and even if they are off on the years it would still be a lot of years.

For you this is hidden knowledge! is far... far ....far .....far of what your dogma educated neurones could understand.
But you could try Google.

 

[kodiak]

Great article, if science is wrong, then our society and marvellous electronics and internet and medicine etc etc... is just a dream, it does not exists, and you have not read this words.

Are you saying that man is smarter than God?
God says the earth was created by him....Scientists have varying beliefs....How can they prove the earth is that old if they were not there to witness it? They can only test up to a certain date.....they have no clue if things change...