Spiritual law

[Jeff_56]

TA DA ! dh, your perception is a grace from yahweh in yahshua, and suits you well !

i didn't post from a 'formula' or from a preconceived 'doctrine' to protect,

but simple the WORD of TRUTH as i see in yahweh by grace in yahshua - posted/spoken like a little child saying what ABBA says, repeating what HIS WORD says, as HE is delighted to accomplish ......

To be perfectly honest with you Jeff_56 I had even missed what you were saying in your post, so I suppose its only natural to stand in doubt of anyone else who feels certain they actually understood what you said (in order to accuse you by it) lol

Just a little lighthearted humor on that one.

Your own post could actually be your alibi

 

[DesiredHaven]

TA DA ! dh, your perception is a grace from yahweh in yahshua, and suits you well !

i didn't post from a 'formula' or from a preconceived 'doctrine' to protect,

but simple the WORD of TRUTH as i see in yahweh by grace in yahshua - posted/spoken like a little child saying what ABBA says, repeating what HIS WORD says, as HE is delighted to accomplish ......

Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus Jeff

Let me see if I got it, I sort of tried to clean up your post tweeking it (just a little) as I was reading you, hopefully making it a little easier to read? I dont know, but its in quotes, I just kept your name off of it in case you disapproved.

It seems many have forgotten that everyone is consigned under the law (no matter if they are saved or condemned).

This is whether they are Yahweh's chosen people or the Gentiles, everyone on earth was consigned under the law and everyone either obeys the law or disobeys.

Those who disobey (it doesn't matter what else they do) they are lost.

Those who obey, (if they grumble) they are punished for not joyfully or willingly doing the Father's will.

Those who obey, (if they obey joyously) are rewarded.

Whether they have faith or not, what difference does that make ?

ONLY THIS ---

IF THEY HAVE FAITH, *then and only then* are they able to joyously hear the Father and do as he says.

It is simply that simple!

HIS CHILDREN LOVE AND OBEY HIM.

They hang on his every WORD, listening intently for his hearts desire, eager to please him like a 3 year old is eager to please his Father (in a healthy family).

If they are not his children, they cannot (they willfully refuse also to hear him) as it is written.

If they do not have faith, they remain lost with all the rest of the Gentiles who are lost.

I dont know if that helped, it did a little for me.

 

[TMS]

Lets get back to the spiritual and carnal laws
The same law can be both spiritually and carnally obeyed. Jesus tried to show us this with the example in Mat 5:21 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: .....
If two people are keeping, obeying this law (Thou shalt not kill), and one is doing it because he needs to, or wants to appear righteous, or doesn't want to go to jail, and the other keeps it because The Holy Spirit is controlling his life. One is outwardly, carnally, and selfishly obeying the law the other is spiritually obeying the law because self is dead.

There is two powers that motivate us to keep the law and if it is selfish it is carnal, but if it is selfless love then God's Spirit is motivating us.

 

[MarcR]

Jeff_56 is obviously mistaken; and he has been corrected quite well.

Attempting to argue with him seems futile; since he is obviously not open to opposing argument.

My question is: why lengthen a thread with many wasted words when we can spend the same time saying something constructive?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Okay, Im not good at this, but I recalled I had something from a few years back I started I just never picked it up again.

I started playing around, but I need to pick stuff up and put it down if theres too much stuff to separate. I suppose I could see some stuff comparing things, but others I was like nah... Sorta felt more like hitting and missing, for me I just didnt have the skill to hook it up right, its just not where my thing is.

I'll still put it out here on this thread just to see if I was heading in the right direction with it or not because they sound similar. Some parts I was like... well... you could probably pull that off that comparison (but I sorta hate those kinds because thats putting something out there without being too convinced by it).

Anyway I pulled this one out only because it mentions meat offering (not the new) but the salt. But I really want to catch how to see the salt in these things better. I wanted to see if it works, or not, or maybe someone can tweek it to get it to work better something, well, InSpiritInTruth to help here.

I was looking at that meat and salt stuff here, do these go?

Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;
neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering:
with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Whereas Jesus says here...

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire,
and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

We offer our bodies as living sacrifices...
and we are salted with fire

Theres the covenant of salt in 2Ch 14:5

Luke 13:34 Salt is good:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?

His savour,

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted?
it is thenceforth good for nothing,
but to be cast out,
and to be trodden under foot of men.

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt

2Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God,
which always causeth us to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ,
in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Ephes 5:2 To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life.
And who is sufficient for these things?

Ephes 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given himself for us
an offering nd a sacrifice to God
for a sweet smelling savour.

1) a sweet smell, fragrance
2) a fragrant or sweet smelling thing incense, odour or something sweet smellinga) an odour of acquiescence, satisfactionb) a sweet odour, spoken of the smell of sacrifices and obligations, agreeably to the ancient notion that God smells and is pleased with the odour of sacrifices
3) metaph. a thing well pleasing to God

Which is found here...

Heb 13:6 But to do good and to communicate forget not:
for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Same as with incense, pure offering, and spiritual sacrifices

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same
my name shall be great among the Gentiles;
and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name,
and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts

Prayer set before him as incense (House of prayer)

Psalms 141:2 Let my prayer
be set forth before thee as incense

Pure offering (by Him)

Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Sacrifices acceptable by Jesus Christ (our living stone)

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Thats all I got on this one though

If I am not catching it correctly or comparing wrongly just show me where so I can correct it if you can.

Thanks for any help

God bless you

 

[DesiredHaven]

Jeff_56 is obviously mistaken; and he has been corrected quite well.

Attempting to argue with him seems futile; since he is obviously not open to opposing argument.

My question is: why lengthen a thread with many wasted words when we can spend the same time saying something constructive?

Who me?

I dont argue with Jeff at all, I dont understand his posts, but I dont understand too many who will not use the scriptures. I was attempting to figure out what he was saying. Trying to find out if I was catching what he was saying.

I was just looking for a yes or no

 

[MarcR]

Okay, Im not good at this, but I recalled I had something from a few years back I started I just never picked it up again.

I started playing around, but I need to pick stuff up and put it down if theres too much stuff to separate. I suppose I could see some stuff comparing things, but others I was like nah... Sorta felt more like hitting and missing, for me I just didnt have the skill to hook it up right, its just not where my thing is.

I'll still put it out here on this thread just to see if I was heading in the right direction with it or not because they sound similar. Some parts I was like... well... you could probably pull that off that comparison (but I sorta hate those kinds because thats putting something out there without being too convinced by it).

Anyway I pulled this one out only because it mentions meat offering (not the new) but the salt. But I really want to catch how to see the salt in these things better. I wanted to see if it works, or not, or maybe someone can tweek it to get it to work better something, well, InSpiritInTruth to help here.

I was looking at that meat and salt stuff here, do these go?

Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;
neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering:
with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Whereas Jesus says here...

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire,
and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

We offer our bodies as living sacrifices...
and we are salted with fire

Theres the covenant of salt in 2Ch 14:5

Luke 13:34 Salt is good:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?

His savour,

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted?
it is thenceforth good for nothing,
but to be cast out,
and to be trodden under foot of men.

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt

2Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God,
which always causeth us to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ,
in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Ephes 5:2 To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life.
And who is sufficient for these things?

Ephes 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given himself for us
an offering nd a sacrifice to God
for a sweet smelling savour.

1) a sweet smell, fragrance
2) a fragrant or sweet smelling thing incense, odour or something sweet smellinga) an odour of acquiescence, satisfactionb) a sweet odour, spoken of the smell of sacrifices and obligations, agreeably to the ancient notion that God smells and is pleased with the odour of sacrifices
3) metaph. a thing well pleasing to God

Which is found here...

Heb 13:6 But to do good and to communicate forget not:
for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Same as with incense, pure offering, and spiritual sacrifices

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same
my name shall be great among the Gentiles;
and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name,
and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts

Prayer set before him as incense (House of prayer)

Psalms 141:2 Let my prayer
be set forth before thee as incense

Pure offering (by Him)

Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Sacrifices acceptable by Jesus Christ (our living stone)

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Thats all I got on this one though

If I am not catching it correctly or comparing wrongly just show me where so I can correct it if you can.

Thanks for any help

God bless you

You are doing fine with this! I hope these thoughts might help:

1) In late 16th and early 17th century English meat was used to mean grain or flour.

2) salt is a figure of witness i.e. "Ye are the salt of the earth".

3) the meat (meal) offering withing with its accompanying drink offering was the sanctification for all other offerings.

 

[MarcR]

Who me?

I dont argue with Jeff at all, I dont understand his posts, but I dont understand too many who will not use the scriptures. I was attempting to figure out what he was saying. Trying to find out if I was catching what he was saying.

I was just looking for a yes or no

I wasn't aiming at anyone-----I was just sharing what was on my mind with the forum in hope it might be helpful.

 

[DesiredHaven]

You are doing fine with this! I hope these thoughts might help:

1) In late 16th and early 17th century English meat was used to mean grain or flour.

2) salt is a figure of witness i.e. "Ye are the salt of the earth".

3) the meat (meal) offering withing with its accompanying drink offering was the sanctification for all other offerings.

Thats interesting to know,that sounds all good being the salt of the earth, I think the thing that stumped me in the one was Lots wife becoming a pillar of the stuff.

If salt is so good, like why make her (especially in that picture of things) a licking post of it?

We get our goats one of those little salt block thingys, they love that.

You got salt, covenant of salt, and pillar of salt

Salt is good, but thats not necessarily so (or the same thing) going on with Lots wife (in looking back as she did).

 

[DesiredHaven]

I wasn't aiming at anyone-----I was just sharing what was on my mind with the forum in hope it might be helpful.

Okay just making sure, I was the one redoing his post, that was me.

 

[MarcR]

Thats interesting to know,that sounds all good being the salt of the earth, I think the thing that stumped me in the one was Lots wife becoming a pillar of the stuff.

If salt is so good, like why make her (especially in that picture of things) a licking post of it?

We get our goats one of those little salt block thingys, they love that.

You got salt, covenant of salt, and pillar of salt

Salt is good, but thats not necessarily so (or the same thing) going on with Lots wife (in looking back as she did).

She was made a witness to the fact that the kind of belief God expects will prompt a believer to trust Him enough to follow His instructions and heed His warnings. Her witness to this truth did NOT require her willing participation.

 

[DesiredHaven]

She was made a witness to the fact that the kind of belief God expects will prompt a believer to trust Him enough to follow His instructions and heed His warnings. Her witness to this truth did NOT require her willing participation.

Whoa I like that MarcR, that registered with me, just as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, (and these) suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Witnesses even in those things.

That was good Bro, thanks

 

[DesiredHaven]

Its almost 3:30 am here my time gotta hit the sack otherwise I'll just be up all day (then kick myself for doing that) lol

Goodnight to you MarcR

 

[MarcR]

Its almost 3:30 am here my time gotta hit the sack otherwise I'll just be up all day (then kick myself for doing that) lol

Goodnight to you MarcR

Good night Desired,

I'm pleased God allowed me to answer your question.

 

[prodigal]

Galatians 3:16-18King James Version (KJV)

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.



24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Okay, Im not good at this, but I recalled I had something from a few years back I started I just never picked it up again.

I started playing around, but I need to pick stuff up and put it down if theres too much stuff to separate. I suppose I could see some stuff comparing things, but others I was like nah... Sorta felt more like hitting and missing, for me I just didnt have the skill to hook it up right, its just not where my thing is.

I'll still put it out here on this thread just to see if I was heading in the right direction with it or not because they sound similar. Some parts I was like... well... you could probably pull that off that comparison (but I sorta hate those kinds because thats putting something out there without being too convinced by it).

Anyway I pulled this one out only because it mentions meat offering (not the new) but the salt. But I really want to catch how to see the salt in these things better. I wanted to see if it works, or not, or maybe someone can tweek it to get it to work better something, well, InSpiritInTruth to help here.

I was looking at that meat and salt stuff here, do these go?

Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;
neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering:
with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Whereas Jesus says here...

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire,
and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

We offer our bodies as living sacrifices...
and we are salted with fire

Theres the covenant of salt in 2Ch 14:5

Luke 13:34 Salt is good:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?

His savour,

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted?
it is thenceforth good for nothing,
but to be cast out,
and to be trodden under foot of men.

Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt

2Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God,
which always causeth us to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ,
in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

Ephes 5:2 To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life.
And who is sufficient for these things?

Ephes 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us,
and hath given himself for us
an offering nd a sacrifice to God
for a sweet smelling savour.

1) a sweet smell, fragrance
2) a fragrant or sweet smelling thing incense, odour or something sweet smellinga) an odour of acquiescence, satisfactionb) a sweet odour, spoken of the smell of sacrifices and obligations, agreeably to the ancient notion that God smells and is pleased with the odour of sacrifices
3) metaph. a thing well pleasing to God

Which is found here...

Heb 13:6 But to do good and to communicate forget not:
for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Same as with incense, pure offering, and spiritual sacrifices

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same
my name shall be great among the Gentiles;
and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name,
and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts

Prayer set before him as incense (House of prayer)

Psalms 141:2 Let my prayer
be set forth before thee as incense

Pure offering (by Him)

Heb 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually,
that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

Sacrifices acceptable by Jesus Christ (our living stone)

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Thats all I got on this one though

If I am not catching it correctly or comparing wrongly just show me where so I can correct it if you can.

Thanks for any help

God bless you

I think you did a great job comparing the natural things with the spiritual, and also spiritual things with spiritual. Well done. You could add this one in with the prayers and incense....

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Good job.

 

[Least]

Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt
;
neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering:
with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Whereas Jesus says here...

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire,
and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

We offer our bodies as living sacrifices...
and we are salted with fire

Great scriptural comparisons! I opened up a study I started working on a while back regarding salt.

I don't know if it's the same for you, but one study always leads to another, so I end up with five studies on one subject. Just thought I'd share a bit from one of those studies.

As you've shown, salt represents several things, it's interesting looking at all the different passages and dividing it out, like the example of Lot's wife being turned into a pillar or salt, and waters healed with salt during the time of Elisha, to the covenant made with David. "A covenant of salt."

In the passage from Mark 9: Jesus says that everyone shall be salted with fire, and ever sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Our bodies are to be a living sacrifice, as Paul explained, and in that passage from Mark 9, Jesus goes on to say:

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mark 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

"Peace," is one aspect of being salted, as a living sacrifice.

Colossians 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Even how we communicate with one another, in humbleness and in peace (and prayerfully with wisdom from above.)...all are revealing not only to others but to ourselves if we, or they are seasoned, "with salt," through refinement and abiding in Christ.

 

[Jeff_56]

seems like you didn't understand my post, which is entirely from Scripture, because it doesn't meet your 'formula', like the other one who missed it.

DesiredHaven got it, and others who know scripture got it , and I even "simplified" it for you who don't get english so well ....

so you still missed it. you are wrong, not me. if you need help finding the Scripture you missed or or not familiar with, I'll be glad to help you find it,

or simplify it even more if your still having trouble understanding english.

shalom !

I wasn't aiming at anyone-----I was just sharing what was on my mind with the forum in hope it might be helpful.

 

[DesiredHaven]

I think you did a great job comparing the natural things with the spiritual, and also spiritual things with spiritual. Well done. You could add this one in with the prayers and incense....

Revelation 8:3
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

Good job.

Yep, got that one in my incense study, I remember taking that one up when thinking man... God was always ticked off at where they set their incense (which in some cases was set before "images of" men). They even burned incense unto the firey serpent on the pole (when they were only to behold it) and by the same God would heal them (even as with Jesus) the wisdom of God who that is the fulfilment of the type (being lifted up). Who himself tells the disciples how to pray and what to say (and also said, not that you will ask me anything, or that I pray the Father for you). But how they all mesh when you familarize yourself with them and get them in their proper places (which I havent dont by a long shot here, just have a list, more or less).

But the offering up (even of himself) even of incense (our prayers) the calves/ even fruit of the lips (even sacrifice of praise) the offering up thanksgiving (unto God) and all these other things connect and I do believe they are spiritually discerned. Not always immediately gotten always, takes me some time, I am slower and likely because I lose interest if I am not receiving what it is I am looking for fast enough, so I look for a decent supply of verses, which you never fail to provide lol so thats cool.

How would you tie in the covenant of salt, and being salted and all of that, what (and how) do you catch it. You give more of an explanation (according to how you tie them in together) whereas I have just (more or less) slapped down a bunch of verses and am still unsure as to how they could fit (or speak) more perfectly.

If you do have anything share it, I would be interested

Thanks Bro

 

[DesiredHaven]

Great scriptural comparisons! I opened up a study I started working on a while back regarding salt.

I don't know if it's the same for you, but one study always leads to another, so I end up with five studies on one subject. Just thought I'd share a bit from one of those studies.

As you've shown, salt represents several things, it's interesting looking at all the different passages and dividing it out, like the example of Lot's wife being turned into a pillar or salt, and waters healed with salt during the time of Elisha, to the covenant made with David. "A covenant of salt."

In the passage from Mark 9: Jesus says that everyone shall be salted with fire, and ever sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Our bodies are to be a living sacrifice, as Paul explained, and in that passage from Mark 9, Jesus goes on to say:

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
Mark 9:50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

"Peace," is one aspect of being salted, as a living sacrifice.

Colossians 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time.
Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Even how we communicate with one another, in humbleness and in peace (and prayerfully with wisdom from above.)...all are revealing not only to others but to ourselves if we, or they are seasoned, "with salt," through refinement and abiding in Christ.

Those are really good least, thanks for sharing that.

Yeah, I set this one aside because of the Lots wife and because back then when I started looking at these sorts of tidbits (words that were pulled over into the NC and found in the OC) I was like what fits and how does it fit? lol

Because at first you just gather up all the salt verses, but then you shuffle thru those and your like, wait a second this is a good salty thing and this other things is a bad salty thing.

You know, trying to wrap your brain around them (at the first) I have more trouble with that because I can be nuts about details sometimes (but not really too).

For example, I might reason that we are salted with salt (and salt is good) after one picture (and a covenant thereof) but then notice even though we might be salted (in one place) we should yeild fresh water (but salty)

Stuff like that used to really get in my way, and I do that to myself alot in some things and I set them aside until they come together better (which always happens when I just wait on the Lord with them).

These are still fun to dig into, I typically grab a decent verse (and take off and go meditate on it and more and try to bring them together). So thanks for the verses Sis!