Spiritual law

[DesiredHaven]

seems like you didn't understand my post, which is entirely from Scripture, because it doesn't meet your 'formula', like the other one who missed it.

DesiredHaven got it, and others who know scripture got it , and I even "simplified" it for you who don't get english so well ....

so you still missed it. you are wrong, not me. if you need help finding the Scripture you missed or or not familiar with, I'll be glad to help you find it,

or simplify it even more if your still having trouble understanding english.

shalom !

You are giving me way too much credit Jeff, I wasnt understanding, I was just stating that I dont know how you could be accused of saying anything (because one would need to be certain of what you actually said) which I was not.

In otherwords, I felt certain the other couldnt be certain because I felt very uncertain. Which is actually being a tad biased towards my own uncertainty.

I do find you difficult to read, but some find me difficult to read as well, and maybe moreso because I blow their eyeballs off the page with my colors sometimes.

So I think, who am I to complain? Especially when I cant make out what someone else might be saying, which in your case could be more doctrinally related, but you were just not easy to understand. Which is why I dont.

I would always be interested in the scriptures you might set forth though.
To me, they make any points of the scriptures might be setting forth so much better then we can ourselves.
Thats my opinion, some think they can make the point better without the scriptures, so that would depend on the person.

No need to respond back but I wanted you to be made aware, and only because you made mention in your post being as one who understood. You were just giving me too much credit there is all.

 

[MarcR]

seems like you didn't understand my post, which is entirely from Scripture, because it doesn't meet your 'formula', like the other one who missed it.

DesiredHaven got it, and others who know scripture got it , and I even "simplified" it for you who don't get english so well ....

so you still missed it. you are wrong, not me. if you need help finding the Scripture you missed or or not familiar with, I'll be glad to help you find it,

or simplify it even more if your still having trouble understanding english.

shalom !

Jeff,

I got what you said; I just decided it wasn't worth having.

 

[royalscot]

acts 15, what law was given to a gentile. dose it say 10 commandment or the full law they have to follow. or none of these.

by having this meeting shows, there was controversy.

1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.

5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."

they could have placed the above quotes in place, but the never.

10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."



they put this in place.
19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.21 For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues."

when was a gentile able to talk to a jewish person.

28 And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.Acts 10

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yep, got that one in my incense study, I remember taking that one up when thinking man... God was always ticked off at where they set their incense (which in some cases was set before "images of" men). They even burned incense unto the firey serpent on the pole (when they were only to behold it) and by the same God would heal them (even as with Jesus) the wisdom of God who that is the fulfilment of the type (being lifted up). Who himself tells the disciples how to pray and what to say (and also said, not that you will ask me anything, or that I pray the Father for you). But how they all mesh when you familarize yourself with them and get them in their proper places (which I havent dont by a long shot here, just have a list, more or less).

But the offering up (even of himself) even of incense (our prayers) the calves/ even fruit of the lips (even sacrifice of praise) the offering up thanksgiving (unto God) and all these other things connect and I do believe they are spiritually discerned. Not always immediately gotten always, takes me some time, I am slower and likely because I lose interest if I am not receiving what it is I am looking for fast enough, so I look for a decent supply of verses, which you never fail to provide lol so thats cool.

How would you tie in the covenant of salt, and being salted and all of that, what (and how) do you catch it. You give more of an explanation (according to how you tie them in together) whereas I have just (more or less) slapped down a bunch of verses and am still unsure as to how they could fit (or speak) more perfectly.

If you do have anything share it, I would be interested

Thanks Bro

When I try to figure out what the spiritual representation of the natural is, I usually look at what the natural does in nature first. Then I search the scriptures and see the ways it is applied, and then wait for the guidance of the Spirit to discern it. And your right, salt is shown as both good and bad in scripture. But concerning the offerings and sacrifices being seasoned with fire and salt you must ask yourself what do they both do naturally in nature with meat?

Well, when salt is added to food it gives it flavor right? And the same with fire to meat, it seasons the meat by breaking down the fats and tough sinews in the meat making it more tender and also gives it more flavor. But meat also gives off a good aroma when cooking with fire too right? So meat with no salt is bland, just as a hunk of raw meat is bland until cooked.

Now put that idea into the spiritual sense. What would make the sacrifices we make in our lives bland to God? And what would make the offering of our prayers to God bland in His eyes? If your thinking lack of sincerity, then your thinking what I'm thinking.

If we give to others grudgingly and not from the heart, or we give to be seen of men, that is not in sincerity and is bland to God. If we give only lip service to God, but not true praise from a sincere heart, that also is bland to the Lord.


So to me when we make offerings and sacrifices to God through good deeds, or through kindness to others, or in worship, or to praise Him, let it be seasoned with the salt of sincerity and a pure and tender heart.

 

[Jeff_56]

no, no credit to you really. just that you understood like a little child (not necessarily with the brain ) in spirit and in truth.

a couple of the others showed a dark heart, a spirit with a shadow, because at least some of their trust is in themselves and in some 'sacred cow' type of doctrine they have posted about many times, but is wrong. they're mad when the truth is posted.

You are giving me way too much credit Jeff, I wasnt understanding, I was just stating that I dont know how you could be accused of saying anything (because one would need to be certain of what you actually said) which I was not.

In otherwords, I felt certain the other couldnt be certain because I felt very uncertain. Which is actually being a tad biased towards my own uncertainty.

I do find you difficult to read, but some find me difficult to read as well, and maybe moreso because I blow their eyeballs off the page with my colors sometimes.

So I think, who am I to complain? Especially when I cant make out what someone else might be saying, which in your case could be more doctrinally related, but you were just not easy to understand. Which is why I dont.

I would always be interested in the scriptures you might set forth though.
To me, they make any points of the scriptures might be setting forth so much better then we can ourselves.
Thats my opinion, some think they can make the point better without the scriptures, so that would depend on the person.

No need to respond back but I wanted you to be made aware, and only because you made mention in your post being as one who understood. You were just giving me too much credit there is all.

 

[DesiredHaven]

When I try to figure out what the spiritual representation of the natural is, I usually look at what the natural does in nature first. Then I search the scriptures and see the ways it is applied, and then wait for the guidance of the Spirit to discern it. And your right, salt is shown as both good and bad in scripture. But concerning the offerings and sacrifices being seasoned with fire and salt you must ask yourself what do they both do naturally in nature with meat?

Well, when salt is added to food it gives it flavor right? And the same with fire to meat, it seasons the meat by breaking down the fats and tough sinews in the meat making it more tender and also gives it more flavor. But meat also gives off a good aroma when cooking with fire too right? So meat with no salt is bland, just as a hunk of raw meat is bland until cooked.

Now put that idea into the spiritual sense. What would make the sacrifices we make in our lives bland to God? And what would make the offering of our prayers to God bland in His eyes? If your thinking lack of sincerity, then your thinking what I'm thinking.

If we give to others grudgingly and not from the heart, or we give to be seen of men, that is not in sincerity and is bland to God. If we give only lip service to God, but not true praise from a sincere heart, that also is bland to the Lord.


So to me when we make offerings and sacrifices to God through good deeds, or through kindness to others, or in worship, or to praise Him, let it be seasoned with the salt of sincerity and a pure and tender heart.

Yeah definately when I think of salt I think of all its natural uses, I think of preserving and taste, even as Job says so much himself

Job 6:6 Can that which is unsavoury be eaten without salt? or is there any taste in the white of an egg?

Whereas here we are (unto God) the sweet savour of Christ

2 Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

The mention of sincerity which follows behind the sweet savour of Christ 2 Cr 2:15 is found in 2 Cr 2:17

2 Cr 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ

So there you go, even as it relates to not corrupting the word of God (as it shows many do) like a water down gospel (which would also be bland) be he also he speaks of those which are lukewarm (verses hot/ cold) as would be prefered (in people) as well.

I will always think about it more and will be like why is it called sweet? But here is salt, and salt is compared moreso with bitter, and wouldnt that (then) be putting bitter (or salty) for sweet? See what I do? That all has to be worked out in my mind (or I will drive my own self batty).

Which is why I have said before I have so many of these sorts of things sitting off to the side because I cant recconcile a particular thing (to put it out as perfectly as I would like) and so they sit there (off to the side). So, I just threw up what I am comparing because (hoping to iron out some of these out). Thanks.

Cause, I'll be like, wait a second see that word (or thing) there? Its just not matching (according to how I am trying to roll with it). Although I know that is not always good to do, and is likely more helpful in other things (being a bit more precise) in these things is doesnt really help to be that way, and I need to remind myself to set it aside and catch the flow without being such a nut over a knot in the thread, it can be a mountain made of a molehill type deal, but you can already see that coming before it arrives more often then not.

Thanks again Bro, God bless you

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

"IF THEY HAVE >>>FAITH<<<, then and only then

are they able to joyously hear the father and do as he says. "



............................................. SIMPLE


how could anyone miss it ???

yes i saw that you used the word 'faith'...you then completely ignored what the bible says about salvation by grace through faith...and immediately redefined 'faith' to fit your heresy...specifically redefining it as essentially 'the thing that gives us the ability to do the works that actually save us'...salvation by works and a -false gospel-

this lines up with the first part of your post where you argued in no uncertain terms that works are the thing that salvation is dependent on...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

a couple of the others showed a dark heart, a spirit with a shadow, because at least some of their trust is in themselves and in some 'sacred cow' type of doctrine they have posted about many times, but is wrong. they're mad when the truth is posted.

no actually we are just bothered when people like you promote a false gospel...especially when you presume to act as if you are some kind of pope with the authority to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of heresy and claim that they aren't saved...

 

[followjesus]

In Matthew 5:18 we read; “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. We know for a fact that heaven and earth has not passed away yet, so just what is Jesus saying here? Many claim the law is made void by grace and faith, and totally done away with; but Jesus tells us different. Even Paul said in Romans 3:31; “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

This thread is not a debate over whether or not we are saved or justified by the works of law, because I know of a Truth we are saved by Grace through faith. But the main point of this thread is to show others that there are actually 2 laws at work, which are also determined by 2 separate mindsets; one which is flesh, and the other which is Spirit. The flesh of the law(carnal ordinances) was fulfilled for us and nailed to the cross in Jesus’ own flesh, but the Spirit of the law remains and is established in those who are born again of God’s Spirit. Just as it is written in Hebrews 10:9; “Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.”


I have written several posts in the past about this natural law, and spiritual law (which shall be fulfilled before heaven and earth pass) but very few truly understand what it is I am saying, as I know it is hard to grasp.
So instead of trying to explain to you what I mean by natural law (outward ordinances) and spiritual law (prophecy ) I will just give you a few examples we are already given in scripture. I will give the carnal commandment first (natural law), and then I’ll give the spiritual law (prophecy) fulfillment of it as it is also revealed to us in scripture.

In Hebrews 10:1 we are told; the law was a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of those things. In this we see the natural (letter of the law) was given as a sign, and many of the carnal ordinances were just a reflection of the true spiritual to come, which would also be fulfilled as Jesus said. Just as the Lord also told the children of Israel that many of the commandments, statutes, and judgments would be for a sign between the Lord and them.

Deuteronomy 6:8; “And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.” And even the Sabbaths were given as a sign as seen here in Ezekiel 20:12; “Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.”


With that in mind let me try to show you what I mean by natural law being transformed into the spiritual law of prophecy, which can only be seen and heard by the renewing of your mind, or viewed spiritually as prophecy.

The first sign we will look at is the sign of the Covenant God made with Abraham and his seed, which as the Lord also told Abraham would be a token (sign) in his flesh by way of the outward circumcision. Genesis 17:10; “This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” And then we see the sign also confirmed here in Romans 4:11; “And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:”

And now here we see the true spiritual meaning of that natural sign being fulfilled in us spiritually. Romans 2:29; “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

So we see the commandment was first received outwardly as a sign, only later to be understood and fulfilled spiritually, and received inwardly by the Spirit. Just as it is written in 2 Corinthians 3:3; “Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


Here’s another example most already know, but it speaks of the same, and of how the natural (letter of the law) was just a reflection of the greater glory to come spiritually. Exodus 12:21; “Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.”

And then the spiritual fulfillment in the Lamb of God 1 Corinthians 5:7; “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:”

And again the carnal commandment in the feast of unleavened bread Exodus 13:3;“And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.”

And then the spiritual fulfillment in Matthew 16:6; “Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:11; “How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Matthew 16:12; “Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”

And again the carnal commandment in the first ripe of the first fruits of the harvest seen in the natural law in Exodus 23:19; “The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God…”

And then the spiritual fulfillment of the law in 1 Corinthians 15:20; “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. James 1:18; “Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.”

And again the carnal commandment in Leviticus 23:15; “And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Leviticus 23:16; “Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.”

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I LIKE words thatcarry a message of spirit and truth. The following is not to disagree with anything you have said, but to insert a spiritual thought ive been seeing. God said " Let US create man in our image" solomon says " the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God" " God sais to adam WHEN you eat of this fruit wich is the knowledge of good and evil, you shall surely die".....adam ate the fruit, and His first reaction was the opening of His eyes, noticing His shame, and the fisr fear of God indwells adam from that point, He hides away from God because of fear of Gods word that said " you will surely die"

wisdom was part of being Created in Gods image. and wisdom begins with fear of God. i guess if i can stay on track what im saying is the plan was for man to be made in Gods image. the process of that was for man to fall from intimacy with God, man being innocent in His lack of Knowledge between good which is Life and evil which is death. the Law teaches us this, that sin is death. that came becauise adam transgressed through the fear that it brought to Him. Part of Being made in Gods image, is what Christ Jesus our Lord brought. through adam we are made aware of good and evil, life and death, because the mosaic Law is all based on " when you sin, you will die" <<<this brings the fear of God into a heart of a believer. and the wisdom of God comes through Christ and His gospel. and to be made in Gods image only Happens through His plan beginning beforehand through the Lamb that was slain before creation.<< that tells us Gods plan was always this simple : Make man in His image, so that we may rule over the earth in His likeness and His wisdom which only became visable nd knowable through Jesus who is re building all the law destroyed in us.

The word of the Law was placed beside the ark of the covenant where Gods glory dwelt, as a testimony against Gods People. The Living Word Jesus, is placed beside Gods throne where His glory dwells as intercession on our behalf. the law is against us, and the Living word is for us. is my thought. But the Holy Law is against the sinners, not the children that follow Christ who is our intercession.


again Just always get thoughts from Good words that bear witness. Good post God bless.