why is my bible missing acts 8:37?!?!

[Jason0047]

Really makes little difference, right? A very valid and interesting subject was generated by the question... whatever the original motive.

No computer could randomly generate such a perfectly well thought out post. A human had to have written it at some point. Which means that same human who had written it, could read what we could write here (Even if it was copied and pasted by a spam-bot). So regardless if their motive was right or wrong, being loving and good towards them back is the right thing to do as a believer.

 

[Willie-T]

No computer could randomly generate such a perfectly well thought out post. A human had to have written it at some point. Which means that same human who had written it, could read what we could write here (Even if it was copied and pasted by a spam-bot). So regardless if their motive was right or wrong, being loving and good towards them back is the right thing to do as a believer.

This is a red letter day! I actually agreed with one of your posts. LOL

 

[Jason0047]

my bad, i thought what you meant was ((as you said, the important thing)) that it was for God that we should be diligent. no translation i found was written with the sense that our care should be taken for the sake of anyone but for God.



yes

is exactly the same word "σπούδασον" that in 2 Timothy 2:15 the KJV renders "study" as in 2 Timothy 4:9, 2 Timothy 4:21, and Titus 3:12 -- where the KJV calls it "do thy diligence" and various others use phrases like "hasten" or "make every effort" or "do your best."
(( using a concordance, not a dictionary ))

the context isn't academic study. ironically, the immediate context is warnings not to engage in meaningless quarrels over words (lol!) and irreverent going-on that does no good but only leads to ruin. it's in this that Timothy ought to be diligent to remind the believers of, and to keep himself from, so that he may be found unashamed before God.



((reminds))

So you don't believe it is important to study God's Word to show yourself approved unto God? How would a person know the correct view of that verse if they were only reading Modern Translations that did not have the correct rendering of it? That's kind of the point. See, a person does not even have the same faith if they are reading a Modern Translation. To me.... 2 Timothy 2:15 is a life verse that is extremely important in my faith. But if you have some new fangly Modern Translation that doesn't say that.... they are going to have a completely different faith and understanding in regards to that passage.

 

[Dan_473]

No. Biblical Greek is not the same as Greek today. Yes, they are related but they are not the same. The only way you could run into a guy who actually knew Biblical Greek is to run into an apostle who traveled to the future in our time who knew Biblical Greek. It is ignorant to assume people would not be corrected by Paul today. People are relying upon a language that they do not know how to write or speak. The only way you can know what it says is in understanding it in your own language. For did the Holy Spirit speak to people in Hebrew and Greek at pentecost" Or did the Holy Spirit communicate to people in their own languages? Why do you think God cannot communicate to us in our language perfectly today? Why do you think He is powerless today to communicate like He did back then?

It's because people believe in a powerless God who cannot do miracles anymore.

I think it would be great if God wanted to provide a bible in english... the question would be did he, and which one?

most people that believe in an inspired translation pick the kjv...

the reasons I can think of are,
it has amazing numerics
it was very popular
it has the extra verses

did God say to use those reasons to pick a bible?
(I don't know, maybe he did)

if not, then there are issues with each reason, imo...

 

[Femalelamb]

I'm having trouble now editing so please excuse my typos.

 

[Femalelamb]

Again I apologize I'm having some technical difficulties now. Correction on Galatians 5:20... It was this: Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

 

[Femalelamb]

I use a bible site called biblegateway.com. You can research many different translations very easily. One way of looking at all of this is realizing every Bible is merely a translation from the original text not one translation is perfect but if you study several you can get a full picture with not too much being left out, and less room for for confusion. When you feel ready to study the original language begin to pray about which words to look up individually. I'm sure, myself included but you do not know me well, that there are people that will gladly come along side you and help you learn. Pray about who they might be. Remember that no one has the corner on God but God who created all the Universe cares very much about you, and you not being confused. He gave people the gift of teaching so do be willing to read books that will help you grow, but ask for books from people you trust. I'm sure if you posted a request for Bible study recommendations you'd get tons of stuff. Are you a member of a fellowship? If not ask someone you see the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22) in them and get some guidance in picking one out. I was very new in 2001 when I first became a believer and I had to learn everything from no real Bible back ground. I am sincere and non judge mental and am more than willing to be of any help. Feel free to add me as a friend and ask me anything. Also, I agree with several above comments.

First of all pray that Jesus be your guide in this. Second ask God to remove all confusion. God has not given you a spirit of confusion, but of sound mind and wisdom. I totally agree that you should be very careful on whom you listen to on line as well as websites like you tube and facebook even Google. You were right to seek out Godly counsel on this. That was very wise. I would find a group of sincere Bible lovers that do not point you to just one translation. Remember that God is in control and He will give you wisdom if you ask Him. I'm praying for you today. I hope that I helped you some.

Try to spend more time in prayer and just reading your Bible rather than websites. There is so much against the Lord out there. When you've become full of the Holy Spirit more each day, and as you seHim you will be, and the Bible is deep in your heart and mind you can weed through false teaching to find the good out there. All of us are still learning but there are wise people who have been close to Him and in the words for many years that He can put in your life to help. Just always hold everything up to the Word. God is big enough to keep His Word in tact and do not let anyone draw you into the myths and false teachings otherwise. God gave us His Word to know right teaching from wrong... So do not let someone steer you to something that contradicts that.

Here are a few verses to encourage you, and know that I am praying them over you today. I used several different translations. A good rule of thumb is to stay away from translations from groups that say "Only use this translation". Especially stay away from those religious books that those groups use their own for their religious group... Like Muslims use a Koran, or Mormons us a book writen by Joseph Smith. Even in a court of law there must be at least three witnesses. The Bible was writen by many different people over many different years. Also theBible is the only one where God sacrificed Himself and our salvation is based on grace not self sacraficed or works. Although if anyone does have faith it will be naturally followed by works like mentioned in Ephesians two or the book of James. But not that we would boast in ourselves but rather glorify Jesus. Some groups even added their own books to the original Bible, and then some like Jehovah witness will use only the KJV but will use "the Watch Tower" to try to disprove the Bible, the Trinity, and even Heaven. tbe careful of people who try to teach that parts of the Bible don't matter anymore, because Jesus said not one part of His word will ever pass away.

I hope I have helped a little.

Philippians 4:6-7 Don’t worry about anything; on the contrary, make your requests known to God by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving. Then God’s shalom, passing all understanding, will keep your hearts and minds safe in union with the Messiah Jesus.

Proverbs 1:2, 5 That people may know skillful and godly Wisdom and instruction, discern and comprehend the words of understanding and insight, The wise also will hear and increase in learning, and the person of understanding will acquire skill and attain to sound counsel so that he may be able to steer his course rightly—

Proverbs 2:11-12 Discretion shall watch over you, understanding shall keep you, To deliver you from the way of evil and the evil men, from men who speak perverse things and are liars,

Ephesians 1:17-19 For I always pray to the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, that He may grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation of insight into mysteries and secrets in the deep and intimate knowledge of Him, By having the eyes of your heart flooded with light, so that you can know and understand the hope to which He has called you, and how rich is His glorious inheritance in the saints His set-apart ones, And so that you can know and understand what is the immeasurable and unlimited and surpassing greatness of His power in and for us who believe, as demonstrated in the working of His mighty strength,

Philemon 1:3-6 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God, making mention of you in my prayers, hearing of your love and faith which you have toward the Lord Jesus and toward all the saints, that the sharing of your faith may become effective by the acknowledgment of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

2 Peter 3:16-18 Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those epistles of Paul that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own utter destruction, just as they distort and misinterpret the rest of the Scriptures. Let me warn you therefore, beloved, that knowing these things beforehand, you should be on your guard, lest you be carried away by the error of lawless and wicked persons and fall from your own present firm condition your own steadfastness of mind. But grow in grace undeserved favor, spiritual strength and recognition and knowledge and understanding of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ the Messiah. To Him be glory honor, majesty, and splendor both now and to the day of eternity. Amen so be it!

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Ephesians 4:11-16 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.

 

[Willie-T]

No. Jesus expounding on Scripture. Jesus did not eliminate or twist Scripture.

Like I said, be careful. You are thoroughly mistaken on this. Compare the original wording of Isaiah 61 with the "quotation" of those same verses Jesus read directly from the Scroll of Isaiah in the temple. He deliberately left out part... right in the middle.

 

[MarcR]

What Acts 8:37 is, is an ADDED part to the Bible. The Byzantium manuscripts have many late additions, and they are marked in many of the newer translations by square brackets, to indicate they do not appear in the earliest manuscripts, which are closest to the original autographs.

Holman's brackets it, but ESV leaves it out totally, because it is spurious!

I would stick with the ESV. You don't need to worry about all that added stuff. Unless you are really an apologist for the KJV and trolling about here??

Angela,

I am not an apologist for the KJV; but I see another way of looking at the situation.

The 'older' manuscripts: 'Vaticanus', and 'Sinaticus' both come from Alexandria where allegorical interpretation of Scripture was practiced. You probably reject the rantings of the Alexandrian ECF for just that reason.
In addition, both Sinaticus and 'Vaticanus' have internal disagreements and don't agree with each other.

The Syriac, Coptic, and Byzantine texts all come from places where literal interpretation was practiced; and Scripture was treated with respect. These texts, from diverse geographical areas all include the disputed verses.

IMO more recent documents from diverse places all of which treated God's Word with respect are more reliable than two documents from a place that took liberties with God's Word regardless how old they purport to be.


That is why I favor both the Textus Receptus, and the Majority Text over both the Wescott & Hort and the Nestle edditions.

The ESV includes the disputed verses in either the text or the margins; while others like the NIV eliminate them.

 

[Willie-T]

Angela,

I am not an apologist for the KJV; but I see another way of looking at the situation.

The 'older' manuscripts: 'Vaticanus', and 'Sinaticus' both come from Alexandria where allegorical interpretation of Scripture was practiced. You probably reject the rantings of the Alexandrian ECF for just that reason.
In addition, both Sinaticus and 'Vaticanus' have internal disagreements and don't agree with each other.

The Syriac, Coptic, and Byzantine texts all come from places where literal interpretation was practiced; and Scripture was treated with respect. These texts, from diverse geographical areas all include the disputed verses.

IMO more recent documents from diverse places all of which treated God's Word with respect are more reliable than two documents from a place that took liberties with God's Word regardless how old they purport to be.


That is why I favor both the Textus Receptus, and the Majority Text over both the Wescott & Hort and the Nestle edditions.

The ESV includes the disputed verses in either the text or the margins; while others like the NIV eliminate them.

Uh.......... my NIV has #37 included in the margin.

 

[Femalelamb]

I'm like "what"about the Vaticanus and Sinticanus... Let's try to stick to basics in just the Word. I love the Bible and how Jesus used the simple to teach us. Even a child can understand it.

 

[Femalelamb]

People who try to claim the KJV as the best are forgetting that it was a created translation in the 1600s and that since then many translations are just as good or better because it's in our present time language. Just like the Chinese have a Chinese translation, or the Mexican have a Spanish. We would all still benefit from learning the original te t of Hebrew. greek and Aramaic, though, would not others agree? I'm not saying we need to be fluent, but I've found it helps to find out more about it.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

The Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus because they did not abide in His words. The same holds true today. The children of the bondwoman persecute the children who are free. Jesus said, by their fruits, you will know them.

The Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus because they were of their father the devil, doing his Fruit and they proved just that when they and the others He rebuked in broad daylight, Turned Him over to the Romans, to be crucified, illegal trials, and everything, THESE Pharisees, were STAUNCH IN THE WORD, oh they knew it up side down, right side up, but were of the devil, that is the reason they couldnt understand nor hear His Words, they WERE NEVER ABIDING IN HIM, because they were not HIS FROM THE BEGINNING, if one is going to not abide in His Words, they had to be there at First, and these were never In Him, abiding, If they were THEY WOULD OF RECOGNIZED who He was. indeed...

 

[pwrnJC]

AGREED!!!!! We can know a tree by it's fruits. NO true CHRIST follower would consider using CURSE words or explicits in their normal everyday speaking or typing skills. THE spirit in which this is written instantly kinda 'jumps' out at ya in a way that only shows confusion and disbelief. WE are to test the spirits and this spirit offers nothing helpful. Recently, in a secular chatroom, I came across an screen name with the word CHRISTIAN as part of it. We chatted and shared stories. Eventually, I began to discern that he was using this word as a sort of identification, but yet when in private, was actually cruising with another agenda in mind. HE even sent me pictures and they were of him, claiming to be a youth leader in a local church, but he was completely nude. OF course, that is a red flag, no different than cursing or living with someone or having a beer next to you as you lead a BIBLE study. How shallow can we be to think that GOD blesses and annoints this?

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Many Bible versions out there today, I've found flaws or left out verses in some, this not by coincidence, but by design, lolz... I use the KJV today, although Im not a KJV only person, lolz.. I use that because you can trace the Hebrew and Greek out of it in a Strongs Concordance... indeed

 

[Willie-T]

AGREED!!!!! We can know a tree by it's fruits. NO true CHRIST follower would consider using CURSE words or explicits in their normal everyday speaking or typing skills. THE spirit in which this is written instantly kinda 'jumps' out at ya in a way that only shows confusion and disbelief. WE are to test the spirits and this spirit offers nothing helpful. Recently, in a secular chatroom, I came across an screen name with the word CHRISTIAN as part of it. We chatted and shared stories. Eventually, I began to discern that he was using this word as a sort of identification, but yet when in private, was actually cruising with another agenda in mind. HE even sent me pictures and they were of him, claiming to be a youth leader in a local church, but he was completely nude. OF course, that is a red flag, no different than cursing or living with someone or having a beer next to you as you lead a BIBLE study. How shallow can we be to think that GOD blesses and annoints this?

Maybe God will lead you out of this..... I sure hope so.

 

[Jason0047]

Like I said, be careful. You are thoroughly mistaken on this. Compare the original wording of Isaiah 61 with the "quotation" of those same verses Jesus read directly from the Scroll of Isaiah in the temple. He deliberately left out part... right in the middle.

No. I am not mistaken.

Let's look at the passage and compare them line by line.

1. Isaiah 61 says ---> The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me.
Luke 4 says --------> The Spirit of the Lord is upon me.

> Here we see the same meaning conveyed even if the word "God" is left out. For we know the Lord is God (according to Scripture).

2. Isaiah 61 says ------> because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek.
Luke 4 says -----------> because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor.

> Here good tidings is the same as saying good news. The good news is the gospel. In the beattitudes: We learn that those who are blessed are those who are poor in spirit and those who are meek. So the poor here is in reference to those who are poor in spirit which to say the same thing as those who are meek. So they say the same thing.

3. Isaiah 61 says -----------> he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
Luke 4 says ----------------> he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,

> This is saying the same thing. To bind up means to heal. See Psalm 147:3.

4. Isaiah 61 says ------------> to proclaim liberty to the captives,
Luke 4 says -----------------> to preach deliverance to the captives,

> Again, this is saying the same thing. To proclaim liberty and to preach deliverance is saying the same thing.

5. Isaiah 61 says -------------> and the opening of the prison to them that are bound,
Luke 4 says ------------------> and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

> Jesus was expounding on Scripture at this point. Sort of like what a Pastor does with a time honored verse in Scripture. See, his audience was not stupid. They knew what the passage said. Jesus was providing more details as to the meaning of what Isaiah 61 was saying and what the Word of God already says elsehwere on the matter. For Psalm 146 gives us more details about setting free the prisoners. It talks about giving sight to the blind and executing judgment upon the oppressed (i.e. those who are bruised). So if one knows about Psalm 146, then Jesus' words are not an addition to God's Word. Jesus was still quoting Scripture. For if I quoted the first half of John 3:16 to you, then I quoted another time honored verse that people know and then finish with John 3:16.... that is not a misquote. It was an intentional back and forth quoting of various Scripture verses.

6. Isaiah 61 says ----> To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, (and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all that mourn; )
Luke 4 says ---------> To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

*Then Jesus closed the book*

> This is not an elimination fo Scripture but merely Jesus stopping in his quote of Scripture. For the rest of this verse deals with His return (i.e. His 2nd Coming when He will destroy the nations of this Earth and usher in a new world of peace whereby he will give comfort to those who mourn).

 

[Jason0047]

No. I am not mistaken.

Let's look at the passage and compare them line by line.

1. Isaiah 61 says ---> The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me.
Luke 4 says --------> The Spirit of the Lord is upon me.

> Here we see the same meaning conveyed even if the word "God" is left out. For we know the Lord is God (according to Scripture).

2. Isaiah 61 says ------> because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek.
Luke 4 says -----------> because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor.

> Here good tidings is the same as saying good news. The good news is the gospel. In the beattitudes: We learn that those who are blessed are those who are poor in spirit and those who are meek. So the poor here is in reference to those who are poor in spirit which to say the same thing as those who are meek. So they say the same thing.

3. Isaiah 61 says -----------> he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
Luke 4 says ----------------> he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,

> This is saying the same thing. To bind up means to heal. See Psalm 147:3.

4. Isaiah 61 says ------------> to proclaim liberty to the captives,
Luke 4 says -----------------> to preach deliverance to the captives,

> Again, this is saying the same thing. To proclaim liberty and to preach deliverance is saying the same thing.

5. Isaiah 61 says -------------> and the opening of the prison to them that are bound,
Luke 4 says ------------------> and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

> Jesus was expounding on Scripture at this point. Sort of like what a Pastor does with a time honored verse in Scripture. See, his audience was not stupid. They knew what the passage said. Jesus was providing more details as to the meaning of what Isaiah 61 was saying and what the Word of God already says elsehwere on the matter. For Psalm 146 gives us more details about setting free the prisoners. It talks about giving sight to the blind and executing judgment upon the oppressed (i.e. those who are bruised). So if one knows about Psalm 146, then Jesus' words are not an addition to God's Word. Jesus was still quoting Scripture. For if I quoted the first half of John 3:16 to you, then I quoted another time honored verse that people know and then finish with John 3:16.... that is not a misquote. It was an intentional back and forth quoting of various Scripture verses.

6. Isaiah 61 says ----> To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, (and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all that mourn; )
Luke 4 says ---------> To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

*Then Jesus closed the book*

> This is not an elimination fo Scripture but merely Jesus stopping in his quote of Scripture. For the rest of this verse deals with His return (i.e. His 2nd Coming when He will destroy the nations of this Earth and usher in a new world of peace whereby he will give comfort to those who mourn).

Oh, and expounding on Scripture is nothing new. See Nehemiah 8:8. Giving the "sense" is expounding on Scripture so as to give them the understanding of what it is saying.

 

[Jason0047]

The Pharisees wanted to kill Jesus because they were of their father the devil, doing his Fruit and they proved just that when they and the others He rebuked in broad daylight, Turned Him over to the Romans, to be crucified, illegal trials, and everything, THESE Pharisees, were STAUNCH IN THE WORD, oh they knew it up side down, right side up, but were of the devil, that is the reason they couldnt understand nor hear His Words, they WERE NEVER ABIDING IN HIM, because they were not HIS FROM THE BEGINNING, if one is going to not abide in His Words, they had to be there at First, and these were never In Him, abiding, If they were THEY WOULD OF RECOGNIZED who He was. indeed...

No. Jesus said His Word did not abide in them. Meaning, they did not obey it. See John chapter 8.

 

[Bowhunter2394]

No. Jesus said His Word did not abide in them. Meaning, they did not obey it. See John chapter 8.

your MISSING THE POINT JASON.. and the mark. your ZEAL blinds you to the Truth.. oh believe me I know what John 8 is all about.. sorry....