A question on protein supplements

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zeroturbulence

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To put this in perspective, if you weigh 130lbs that is equal to 59kg..

So 2 grams of protein per 1kg bodyweight would be 118g of protein per day.

This is a picture of a roughly 8 ounce steak. (The deck of cards would be the size of a 3-4 ounce steak)

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There's about 7g of protein per ounce of meat, so this steak only contains about 56g of protein.

You would need to eat more than 2 of these large steaks a day just to get 118g of protein (2g of protein per 1kg of bodyweight).

Now you can see how that's a bit too much..
 
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seoulsearch

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^^^ *Looks at pictures of steaks.*

As much as I would love to say I'm going on a "Double-Cheeseburger-a-Day-Diet" because of my rigorous lifting schedule, the heaviest thing I lifted the other day was my Bible while going to church, along with 5 library books I had to return afterwards. (My church is held on a school campus and the library is a walk across the campus.)

I've been trying to get into the weight machines at the gym (I felt totally ridiculous at first but it's getting to be more familiar) and I certainly won't impress anyone with the amounts... But I'm going for tone and not any kind of bulk so I do light weights with more reps (that IS the way to go, right guys? Somebody please correct me here if I'm doing it all wrong!)

This has been a really interesting thread. As much as I love burgers, I very rarely eat them. I'm a carbohydrate junkie who's never met a carb she didn't like and could happily live solely on starch and sugar.

I don't like much meat at all except ones that are unhealthy (burgers and deli meats--too much fat, salt, and nitrates, so I avoid them) and have been using protein shakes myself as a way to try make sure I get the right nutrients.

I'm assuming guys don't have to worry about this? There has been a lot of debate on soy products for women and whether it acts as estrogen in the body, upping your chances for breast cancer, so I try to avoid any powders with soy.

I'm glad Zero brought up the point about supplements not being tested by the FDA--there have been at least 2 articles in recent news of women dying because of using "fat burning" supplements. It's not very comforting that people have to die in order for anyone to consider testing or regulating these products, because as it stands, most anyone can put something on the market with little restriction.
 

Lynx

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...because as it stands, most anyone can put something on the market with little restriction.
So you mean I could be doing this too?

*Lynx dashes off to whip up a new product and line up a couple of celebrities to endorse it.
 

seoulsearch

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As much as I would love to say I'm going on a "Double-Cheeseburger-a-Day-Diet" because of my rigorous lifting schedule, the heaviest thing I lifted the other day was my Bible while going to church, along with 5 library books I had to return afterwards.
In my own defense, might I add that it was a HARDCOVER Bible... and therefore had a bit of weight. :D

Wow. I might actually be in danger of grunting and setting off the "Lunk Alarm" at Planet Fitness.

In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd set off a Double Lunk Alarm with Grace and Shouryu if I walked across campus carrying my Bible and library books, mightily curling those books and grunting along... all while wearing a tennis skirt. (Don't worry, it'll never happen.)
 
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But, this not-so-big 163 lb guy, in the last week, did this:

Squat: 250 lbs
Deadlift: 290 lbs
Bench press: 185 lbs
Barbell row: 170 lbs
Overhead press: 115 lbs

These sorts of numbers don't happen overnight. It's taken years of consistent lifting, and eating 5 to 6 meals a day to get my necessary protein. I started my fitness journey over 15 years ago. So don't stress if don't see immediate results. It's going to take time. But be meticulous, and be patient.
I keep hoping to find someone else who squats more than they deadlift, but apparently I really am abnormal here...


Sigh, I really should train more on the deadlift, but I just don't enjoy it as much. My deadlift is like... 50 pounds lighter than my squat, especially if I've trained upper back heavily that week.

This is solid advice though.

And It does bear repeating that this is not a race. If you go for heavier weight you might be able to complete a successful lift with less overall results than a lighter weight with better form, especially on a lift like the squat (the temptation to cheat is pretty high on that one).
 

Roh_Chris

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In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd set off a Double Lunk Alarm with Grace and Shouryu if I walked across campus carrying my Bible and library books, mightily curling those books and grunting along... all while wearing a tennis skirt. (Don't worry, it'll never happen.)
Here's my question - what are Grace & Shouryu doing in the campus? Hmmm? :rolleyes:


I've been trying to get into the weight machines at the gym (I felt totally ridiculous at first but it's getting to be more familiar) and I certainly won't impress anyone with the amounts... But I'm going for tone and not any kind of bulk so I do light weights with more reps (that IS the way to go, right guys? Somebody please correct me here if I'm doing it all wrong!)
Actually, my trainer thinks otherwise, Kim. According to him (I asked him for you, and I paraphrase his reply), you should follow the same pattern as me. In this case, your rep range should be 20-15 (beginner), 15-12 (intermediate), 12-10-8 (advanced) or 6 and lesser (super-advanced). It is not the number of reps or the weight you train but the amount of calories you burn. From what I understood, if you want to lose weight, your calorie intake throughout the day must be lesser than your BMR. The BMR, (abbreviation for Basal Metabolic Rate) is the amount of calories your body burns when you are in a state of complete rest in a neutrally temperate environment (like, sleeping).

Apparently, there is more to this, so he said he will explain it in detail during my next training session which is on Wednesday. I hope this helps. :)
 
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Here's my question - what are Grace & Shouryu doing in the campus? Hmmm? :rolleyes:




Actually, my trainer thinks otherwise, Kim. According to him (I asked him for you, and I paraphrase his reply), you should follow the same pattern as me. In this case, your rep range should be 20-15 (beginner), 15-12 (intermediate), 12-10-8 (advanced) or 6 and lesser (super-advanced). It is not the number of reps or the weight you train but the amount of calories you burn. From what I understood, if you want to lose weight, your calorie intake throughout the day must be lesser than your BMR. The BMR, (abbreviation for Basal Metabolic Rate) is the amount of calories your body burns when you are in a state of complete rest in a neutrally temperate environment (like, sleeping).

Apparently, there is more to this, so he said he will explain it in detail during my next training session which is on Wednesday. I hope this helps. :)
I think dieting sucks...

Which is why I'm still overweight as a lifter :D

It's taken two years to lose like... 15 pounds. Wait.. 20.

Yeah, 10 pounds a year sounds good right?
 

seoulsearch

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I think dieting sucks...

Which is why I'm still overweight as a lifter :D

It's taken two years to lose like... 15 pounds. Wait.. 20.

Yeah, 10 pounds a year sounds good right?
Don't feel bad, Servant! I've only gone down 5 (yes, in a year) but I always try to say, going down is usually better than going up!

Roh, I appreciate you asking your trainer about my routine (although today it consisted of sitting on the couch and eating a lot of fruit!) :) It was very kind of you to ask on my behalf! I will eagerly be awaiting your latest update. :)
 
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Shouryu

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You would need to eat more than 2 of these large steaks a day just to get 118g of protein (2g of protein per 1kg of bodyweight).

Now you can see how that's a bit too much..
And yet I've consumed between 140-180 grams of protein per day, almost every single day, since the year 2000. Even did it as a poor college student. It's not unrealistic, and according to the last three physicals I've had, I'm in very good health. I didn't eat two huge steaks, either.

If Rohith has an ectomorphic (hard-gainer) metabolism, high protein intake is the only way he's going to gain lean mass. There are LOTS of ways to get that intake without shoving a pound of steak in your face every day. Been doing it for 15 years.
 

Roh_Chris

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Another question to the serious lifters - when you measure the weight you lifted, do you also add the weight of the barbell? Or do you only consider the weight of the plates?
 
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Another question to the serious lifters - when you measure the weight you lifted, do you also add the weight of the barbell? Or do you only consider the weight of the plates?
Yes, the weight of the bar is included in the calculation. A standard Olympic barbell (the only bar you need) weighs 45 lbs.
 

Lynx

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A standard Olympic barbell would be about right for my exercise. I'm not a lightweight, but my lifting ability is featherweight.
 

Roh_Chris

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A standard Olympic barbell would be about right for my exercise. I'm not a lightweight, but my lifting ability is featherweight.
During the first three weeks of my workout, I could not even do 20 reps of bench-press with just the barbell. I'm in my fourth (?) week now and on Monday, I did the bench-press with 75 lb. What is more important than workouts, is a healthy diet. With a healthy diet, you will find that you can lift more and more. :)
 

Lynx

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For breakfast I just now ate a havarti (a kind of cheese) sandwich on homemade whole wheat sourdough. I'll be sneezing half the day because I'm mildly allergic to dairy but it was worth it. Soooooo good!

I'm not sure if that's a good diet for weight lifting.
 
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And yet I've consumed between 140-180 grams of protein per day, almost every single day, since the year 2000. Even did it as a poor college student. It's not unrealistic, and according to the last three physicals I've had, I'm in very good health. I didn't eat two huge steaks, either.

If Rohith has an ectomorphic (hard-gainer) metabolism, high protein intake is the only way he's going to gain lean mass. There are LOTS of ways to get that intake without shoving a pound of steak in your face every day. Been doing it for 15 years.
Its kind of ironic that 90 percent of the population wishes they were ecto, but when you talk to lifters you hear how hard it is to gain.

I'm an endomorph... I don't have that problem. I just can't drop more than a half a pound a week or I get weak throwing around the iron.

The mezzomorphs are the lucky ones, but I'm not sure they really exist.
 

Roh_Chris

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Roh, I appreciate you asking your trainer about my routine (although today it consisted of sitting on the couch and eating a lot of fruit!) :) It was very kind of you to ask on my behalf! I will eagerly be awaiting your latest update. :)
I asked him yesterday. This is what he had to say -

The first thing you have to do is to get an InBody analysis done. One of the metrics which is measured is the Lean Body Mass (or, Fat Free Mass). This is the amount of mass you carry in your body which is not composed of fat, and is the sum of intracellular water, extracellular water and dry lean mass.

Once you know your lean body mass, you must regulate your calorie consumption. For effective weight loss, the maximum amount of calories you should consume in a day is equal to your Lean Body Mass (in lb) * 10. As an example, if your lean body (in lb) is 109.4, then your calorie intake in a day must not exceed 1,094 calories. You can do this by changing your diet to include fat-free foods, vegetables, nuts, etc.

Now comes your workout part. As a rule of thumb, 7,000 calories is equivalent to 1 kg of body mass. If you want to shed 'X' amount of weight, you have to burn 7,000 * X amount of calories. Since you want to lose weight, you should alternate between weight+cardio training and cardio training. For cardio, start off with a target of burning 500 calories in a day. On exclusive cardio days, increase the target by 50 with every passing week. In about a year, you should be burning 500 calories during cardio on weight training days and 1,000 calories during the exclusive cardio days. Note - It is advisable to work with a trainer in order to fix your workout regimen.

Other points to note:
1. Make sure that your body is burning the excess fat stored in your tissues and not the Lean Body Mass. This would be disastrous for you. You will know this by undergoing the InBody analysis regularly (usually done once for every 45 days of continuous workouts).
2. Diet is 70% of the job, whether you want to gain or lose weight. On days that you end up eating beyond your calorie intake limit, make sure you burn more at the gym.
3. You can have a Lean Mass protein shake to help restore your muscles and to build up your lean body mass.
4. An InBody analysis has to be performed regularly in order to monitor your progress.
5. While weight training, do 15-20 reps if you are a beginner. Then as you increase your weights, progressively reduce your reps. At present, my counts are the following - 5 sets of 20, 15, 15, 12 and 12 reps at low weights. By low weights, I mean -
Benchpress - 65 lb (20 reps)
Seated leg press - 130 lb (20 reps)
Wide-grip lat pull down - 27 lb (20 reps)
Seated rowing - 60 lb (20 reps)

Keep in mind that, when it comes to weight loss, there are different schools of thought. This is just what my personal trainer follows and advises for all his clients. I train at Gold's gym and he is a silver category trainer, so I assume he is fairly credible in what he practices.

I hope this helps you, Kim. :)