So if you are not under the Law, does that mean you are in lawelessness?

[Jason0047]

okay, this will take a lot of time. too much is awry here. maybe there is a metaphor like you have referred to, in part anyway,

but the birds really will eat the flesh, the eagles really will devour the flesh of GOD'S enemies.

and no, JESUS will not have his followers kill others. "no killing" is still his command/ "WORD"/ instruction and will not change.

(the point was, if "no killing" is not specifically pointed out, described, written by GOD as an ETERNAL COMMANDMENT....
that has consequences (good consequences, once understood) and repercussions on many people)

While I agree with you in the possibility that the saints will not harm a flea during Christ's 2nd Coming, I am also open to what Scripture has to say on this matter (If I see something else in the Bible that says otherwise).

[ When we read the Olivet Discourse concerning Christ's Second Coming, Jesus is not so much saving the elect from the events at Armageddon, but He is gathering them to be a part of the battle in some way there. Which means the saints taken up at Christ's Second Coming will be partaking in executing or supporting Christ's Judgment upon the Earth. How so?

• • Luke 17:34-37
  "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left."
  
  And they answered and said unto him,
  
  "Where, Lord?"
  
  And he said unto them,
  
  "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
  
  
  • Matthew 24:28
  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
  
  
  • Revelation 19:17-18 and Revelation 19:14
  And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying
  
  "To all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."
  
  And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
  
  
  • Jude 1:14
  Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
  
  
  In other words, at the Second Coming of Christ, the elect (or the fowls or the eagles) will be gathered to battle those who remain on the Earth or gather to support Christ defeating others at the supper of the Great God to eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of captains. This of course is speaking metaphorically. The saints are not going to really eat people, but they are going to defeat the wicked people of this world in the final battle with Christ.
  
  For believers are referred to as Eagles in Isaiah,

  
  "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." (Isaiah 40:31)
  
  ​

  Also, Job speaks of Eagles and in Job 39:27-30, we see that it loosely mirrors or paralles both Ezekiel 39:18 and Revelation 19:18.
  
  
  ​

 

[Jeff_56]

for the sake of specificity, time, and space, (and the rest to be taken up as yahweh permits in the future),

referring now just to "no killing" the WORD , the COMMANDMENT,

is it ever referred specifically and particularly to in SCRIPTURE/ TORAH/ GOD'S WORD
as
an
eternal commandment ?

 

[Jason0047]

for the sake of specificity, time, and space, (and the rest to be taken up as yahweh permits in the future),

referring now just to "no killing" the WORD , the COMMANDMENT,

is it ever referred specifically and particularly to in SCRIPTURE/ TORAH/ GOD'S WORD
as
an
eternal commandment ?

Does not the Scriptures say we are to conform to the image of Christ? Are we not to behave in righteousness like He does? Yes, granted Christ is God and He can do certain things we cannot do. But Christ will execute Judgment and destroy many nations in the End Times. Christ will still be physically a man when he does this. Granted, as I said, I am still open to both possibilites (That believers will either not harm anyone at Christ's return and or they will do so), but I would need Scripture to convince me and not opinion.

 

[Jeff_56]

Does not the Scriptures say we are to conform to the image of Christ? Are we not to behave in righteousness like He does? Yes, granted Christ is God and He can do certain things we cannot do. But Christ will execute Judgment and destroy many nations in the End Times. Christ will still be physically a man when he does this. Granted, as I said, I am still open to both possibilites (That believers will either not harm anyone at Christ's return and or they will do so), but I would need Scripture to convince me and not opinion.

i'm not seeking any man's opinion.

nor even the meaning of the commandment(as carnal worldlings argue the difference between killing and murder, and many churches are against killing , until the government they 'trust'? declares war, and then they change their tune....)

so , without consideration of the meaning(not to ignore it, but for the sake of one question first)

is "no killing" the WORD YAHWEH WROTE ON STONE, and TOLD MOSES,

ever called by YAHWEH in HIS WORD, or by YAHSHUA, an eternal WORD/commandment/instruction.


does no one know? does anyone know ?

 

[just-me]

i'm not seeking any man's opinion.

nor even the meaning of the commandment(as carnal worldlings argue the difference between killing and murder, and many churches are against killing , until the government they 'trust'? declares war, and then they change their tune....)

so , without consideration of the meaning(not to ignore it, but for the sake of one question first)

is "no killing" the WORD YAHWEH WROTE ON STONE, and TOLD MOSES,

ever called by YAHWEH in HIS WORD, or by YAHSHUA, an eternal WORD/commandment/instruction.


does no one know? does anyone know ?

Murder is one thing, killing is another. A soldier doing his or her duty doesn't murder just because they are completing a mission, but according to God's will the murderer (I speak of premeditated) deserves to be killed in order to put the evil away from us. Not only that, killing a murderer would deter others from murdering, knowing they would die if they committed murder.

When the law says thou shalt not kill, it is clearly speaking of murder. Obviously a murderer is lawless. Killing a murderer according to a Godly judgment is not lawlessness.

 

[valiant]

So the axe murdering serial killer who spares your life because he loves you is a good guy? Sorry, I am not buying your version of morality. Any doctrine that allows a person to potentially get away with evil is wrong and you know it. If one is not punished for being lawless, then that would make God unjust.

you have not yet understood that God can be just and yet still count as righteous the believer without works because of the cross (Rom 3.26-28).

 

[JaumeJ]

Faith is counted as righteousness, and this is works in the sight of God.

Having faith always leads to obeying the Father after the Model of the Son, it fall into the prayer givento us all by Jesus Christ, "Thy will be done." So, DO IT.