JOHN HAGEE - JIMMY and DONNY SWAGGART

[AaronScorf]

Mr. Hagee was on the Daystar Christian TV
the other day promoting his new book.

Mr. Hagee stated that demons were not angels or fallen angels
as he referred to them. He went on to state that it is not recorded
in the bible what they were or where they came from.

So my first question is how does he know they are not angels that
rebelled from God? Since he does not know?

He then stated that angels or fallen angels as he referred to them could not
possess or inhabit a human body. He said they had bodies of their own.

Both Jimmy and Donny Swaggart on the Francis and Friends program on their
broadcasting Christian TV channel, stated the same thing.

That demons were not angels and that angels could not
possess or inhabit a human body.

Not only do they not know one way or the other if demons are fallen angels.

They do not know what is recorded or believe what is recorded in the bible.

In several places in the bible angels inhabited the bodies of humans.

Even the devil, Satan inhabited the body of Judas as recorded in the Book of Luke.

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot,
being of the number of the twelve.

Why do these men tell these lies?

 

[mwc68]

Because these men are only there to make MONEY! They care nothing for God or His Children

 

[Angela53510]

Jimmy Swaggart consorted with prostitutes at the height of his TV ministry. During that time, he was condemning other tele-evangelists for their sins.

When the Assemblies of God, his governing body tried to discipline him, he refused and kept right on with his ministry.

He is NOT a good example of a teacher you should be listening to.

In fact, neither is Hagee, who is a Word of Faith teacher, who doesn't know the Bible and puts his own spin on everything.

My thought is if you want answers, go to the Bible, not TV evangelists.

 

[atwhatcost]

Mr. Hagee was on the Daystar Christian TV
the other day promoting his new book.

Mr. Hagee stated that demons were not angels or fallen angels
as he referred to them. He went on to state that it is not recorded
in the bible what they were or where they came from.

So my first question is how does he know they are not angels that
rebelled from God? Since he does not know?

He then stated that angels or fallen angels as he referred to them could not
possess or inhabit a human body. He said they had bodies of their own.

Both Jimmy and Donny Swaggart on the Francis and Friends program on their
broadcasting Christian TV channel, stated the same thing.

That demons were not angels and that angels could not
possess or inhabit a human body.

Not only do they not know one way or the other if demons are fallen angels.

They do not know what is recorded or believe what is recorded in the bible.

In several places in the bible angels inhabited the bodies of humans.

Even the devil, Satan inhabited the body of Judas as recorded in the Book of Luke.

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot,
being of the number of the twelve.

Why do these men tell these lies?

.
Because people keep listening. (Jimmy and John are still around? Holy cow! How old are they? They were old back when I was young. And who is Donny? Jimmy's son? Why do I suspect Donny is roughly my age?)

Congratulations. This just gave them more credit on the Internet.

No audience, no message.

 

[oldthennew]

it is a very sad state of affairs when we witness so called 'men of god' espousing their
godliness and in the same breath reaping the shame of their own sinfulness.

it breaks our hearts to the quick and then it makes us question ourselves as to why
we would 'trust' these men of wickedness in the first place -
we have to see that we are but human and subject to seeking truth and comfort where
'we think' we can find it.....



our 'wake=up' call comes in many sizes when we fail to face our Father's reality -
at some point, we must swallow our pride and admit our blatant, foolishness and hopes, of relying
on 'mankind' for God given answers.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Christian tv is a farce.
It is nothing more than a media for con men to steal money from those weak in the faith.
The best thing you can do is black out those chanels on your tv.

 

[PeterJens]

The problem with these liars and hypocrites is the church does not believe in its own authority and disown there sin and heresy. It is not even complicated their failure, but if people take them at face value, they believe because they have a TV station and enough wealth, they must be worth listening to.

The Lord is happy to let these fools mock those who claim to follow him and great will be their fall. They show how deceptive and lost a large part of the "christian" church is, with no reality. But in the end what they are doing is just another version of show bizz, entertainment for the bored and lonely, promising a lottery win if only they support them a little bit more. I mean surely God will reward them if the sow to their "ministry". It could not possibly be empty, deluded and corrupt, the Lord would stop it. I am not sure they are not a match made in heaven, the people who watch this junk deserve these preachers who fleece them for something they will never get back.

What is sad is these preachers do not believe judgement will fall on them eventually, because it has not to date. How much bigger fools are they to mock God. He is in not hurry, it is they who should fear their actions, but they will walk blind into their judgement.

 

[BradC]

Is there anyone else you folks would like to go after and slander? Must be another full moon tonite. You want blood, I suggest that you bite and devour each other right here on CC, at least the one you slander can defend themselves.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Is there anyone else you folks would like to go after and slander? Must be another full moon tonite. You want blood, I suggest that you bite and devour each other right here on CC, at least the one you slander can defend themselves.

You don't honestly believe the con men are pleasing God?
There is no way they can defend their wickness.

 

[FriendlyGuitarist]

I've heard that John Hagee has a lot of messed up theologies. I've just never heard him preach before. I don't plan on it either. I wouldn't be watching tv evangelists. They are nothing but trouble.

 

[BradC]

You don't honestly believe the con men are pleasing God?
There is no way they can defend their wickness.

Perhaps this might help you... Paul reminds Titus to speak evil of NO MAN (Titus 1:2). Have you ever heard that in the inner ear of the inner man (Eph 3:16) where the Spirit communicates the life of Christ? The tongue is such an unruly evil that no man can tame. Whatever member of your body that offends you, perhaps you should cut it off (Mt 18:6-10)? Only a suggestion.

 

[BradC]

I've heard that John Hagee has a lot of messed up theologies. I've just never heard him preach before. I don't plan on it either. I wouldn't be watching tv evangelists. They are nothing but trouble.

That would probably mean watching the evangelist Billy Graham, right? You and others probably like to consider him an evil man, right?

 

[FriendlyGuitarist]

That would probably mean watching the evangelist Billy Graham, right? You and others probably like to consider him an evil man, right?

What I've been taught my friend is always test what people are preaching. Bring it up to God and he will tell you if they speak the truth or not.

 

[Yet]

Ephesians 5:11 Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather expose them.

I believe the 'speak evil of no man' verse must tie in with the 'brother at fault' instructions. You don't sound a horn to every mothers son about him till you've gone the full course. You try to bring him to repentance and he refuses then you must try 2 or 3 witnesses then to the front of the assembly.

Now if a wolf is leading the folks and devouring, the folks need to be warned. Think pope, Jim Jones, Wako Whacko Koresh, your local self exalted covetious pastor, etc..
No sense in studying the word and taking on the armor to fight the the good fight, reproving, exhorting, rebuking, with sound doctrine if we cannot shine the light of the truth into dark places to set the captives free, pulling the sheep out of the mouths of wolves. If we cannot expose the evil in high places but must remain silent while the false hirelings laugh all the way to the bank, then we are truly fried...toast as it were. That's what these anti-Christs want. The don't ask, don't tell policy in the church to remain intact.
The silencing of the lambs. The intimidation of the body. Shut up, pay and obey!

 

[Reborn]

That would probably mean watching the evangelist Billy Graham, right? You and others probably like to consider him an evil man, right?

Evil?
Don't know?

Although, he has been the spiritual advisor to like, 6 U.S.Presidents.


You can see how well that has worked out for us.

 

[presidente]

In response to the OP, I don't get why they would say that demons are not fallen angels if they don't know. Maybe it's because demons that are cast out go through dry places. Apparently, they feel a need for some kind of body and presumably angels don't? Maybe that's the theory.

As far as what demons are, I've read different theories. If I remember right it was Tertullian who said that demons were 'fallen angels and their children.' There is the theory that goes along the lines of the Ethiopian version of the Book of Enoch that before the flood, angels had made babies with women (Nephilim babies.) That's one interpretation of Genesis. One theory is that the dead Nephilim's spirits became demons.

Another theory is of course that they are all just fallen angels.

I've also read the theory that demons are spirits of the wicked dead, but that one doesn't seem to fit well with Christian thought, IMO. Alexander Campbell from the Restoration Movement (origin of churches that go by 'Church of Christ) believed that, though I don't think the movement he was a part of widely adopted this view.

If Hagee and the Swaggarts really hold tightly to some speculative area of doctrine, I'd ask if it were in the Dake Study Bible. Swaggart has repeated some controversial teachers out of Finnish Dake's study Bible, which contains commentary.

 

[Yet]

That would probably mean watching the evangelist Billy Graham, right? You and others probably like to consider him an evil man, right?

I don't like to consider any man evil......that's not the point. Graham is a pawn for the Roman church. You really need to start doing your own research my friend.

 

[MarcR]

People who are concerned about cash flow do not make good Bible teachers.

All pastors are human and will occasionally make mistakes; but small Bible believing churches of under 250 members are more likely to consistently give you God's Truth.

 

[Yet]

People who are concerned about cash flow do not make good Bible teachers.

All pastors are human and will occasionally make mistakes; but small Bible believing churches of under 250 members are more likely to consistently give you God's Truth.

Query: my friend, how do all the body parts get a chance to minister 'one to another' if there are 250 people? How does Christ get a chance to use all his children with their functions in such a large crowd? The only way would be to have a 20 hour meeting.

 

[Yet]

I wasn't altogether correct concerning the verse ' speak evil of no man'. Sorry. I checked the Greek. It means falsehood, lies.
Speak lies or falsehood of no man.
But we are to expose the lies and falsehood of any man.