I'm A Totally Committed Christian (Except When It Comes to Sex.)

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kiwi_OT

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Hey Everybody,

I often meet nice people who are singles, whether in real life or online, who will talk about their faith and commitment to the Lord. Then they'll say something like, "Oh, when I get home tonight, my boyfriend/girlfriend is going to cook..." or they will talk about even more personal details, giving away the fact that they are obviously living with, and sleeping with, a partner.

Just the other day, a guy was giving me a big spiel about his service to Christ but not being able to find "the one"... and how his last fiance had told him nothing but lies, etc., ending with, "Yeah, it's a good thing I found out, because she was just about to move in with me."

As the old C+C Music Factory song went (yes, I'm dating myself here)... "Things That Make You Go 'Hmmm'".

Now, I realize sex is a very powerful, personal topic, and it could be just me, but you do guys and gals often find as well that so many people talk about their dedication to God... but apparently assume their sexuality is something off-limits and of their own free will to do with as they wish?

We ALL have struggles and mistakes in this area, but I am surprised by the number of Christians who will go on a 10-minute rant about the evils of homosexuality... and then tell me they are going home to their own, non-spousal significant other... Yes, I know homosexuality is wrong, but I find it hard to take from "Christians" who don't seem to think their own sexual sins are of any important or consequence to God.

What about all of you?

Any thoughts?
Completely agree with you - I was once like that and now that Im not I see how hypocritical it was of me.
 
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vendettark

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Masturbation is having sex with yourself. If you do it before marriage, that's premarital sex.

Then every single person makes this sin, even if they were a little kid... everyone, EVERYONE, has done that or does it.

I don't think anybody should judge others to the point where people feel nervous about admitting/talking about what they've done. Everybody sins.
 

Sharp

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That's right. Most people have done it, including me.

It doesn't mean we should say it isn't a sin, which some people were saying. That just aint right.

I don't think anyone was being judged either.

Cheers.
 
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jax

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What woman?

I don't know if I know the story..

One must be very wary about legalism

legalism is adding to the word of God - making the Bible say something that it does not

examples of legalism include

1 a marriage is not a marriage unless it takes place in a church

2 an unmarried man and woman should not be left alone together

3 there are a million more

the problem with legalism is that the unsaved CAN SEE that these extra rules make no sense

btw, the first legalist was the woman in the garden
 

BillyTheKid

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I think we have to prep ourselves before the situation presents itself. Everyone knows when you enter a relationship with someone from the opposite sex this will happen. I am proud of anyone that can come on here and say that they don't let temptation happen, however, I would then say you are liying. Temptation is something we will always have to deal with. So, I think that if we would prepare ourselves before it happens we would be fine.
Also, you have to keep yourself away from the people and places that will cause the issue. Bars, Clubs, girlfriend/boyfriends bedroom. You catch my drift here, but anyway God Bless and good luck!
 
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buckeyegirl700

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I definitly think masturbation is considered a sin. Why would anyone masturbate if they were not battling lust. If it is consisdered a sin to have lustful thoughts that it would be a sin to masturbate.
 
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buckeyegirl700 said:
Why would anyone masturbate if they were not battling lust?
Here's one reason, at the very least. Medically speaking, it's been found that most men require a physical release every 36 to 72 hours (varying, of course, by age and amount of regular sexual activity). Also, masturbation doesn't boost a man's testosterone level, as was previously believed; it simply "takes the edge off" of his sex drive, so he's not so focused on it. I strongly doubt anything drives a man crazier in this regard, more than prolonged deprivation. God made us this way, and while He expects us to follow His commands, there's nothing in Scripture which suggests that masturbation, in and of itself, is sinful. Lust certainly fits that bill, but the Bible is silent on the physical aspects.

If it is consisdered a sin to have lustful thoughts, that it would be a sin to masturbate.
That's assuming that everyone who has ever masturbated throughout all of human history has always entertained lustful thoughts in the process...a statistic which has no foundation.

There is a Christian web site for married couples (appropriately) titled The Marriage Bed, and they have a few articles on this topic. Here's the links, for anyone who is interested.

Why Didn't God Call Masturbation Sin?

Masturbation Q & A

Teens & Masturbation

Masturbation in Marriage

Pastors' Thoughts on Masturbation
 
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songster

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I definitly think masturbation is considered a sin. Why would anyone masturbate if they were not battling lust. If it is consisdered a sin to have lustful thoughts that it would be a sin to masturbate.
I agree, not only is there no evidence that masturbation is regularly performed without lusting, but the mere suggestion that individuals may be able to periodically use this for recreational means without fantasy or sexually explicit material, is nothing short of a deception. One which I hope the readers of these posts won't fall for.

The enemy of our souls has many ways of causing sin to appear completely acceptable. In the garden, satan used this exact strategy by convincing Eve that it was harmless to disobey God.

It is well known that satan does not reveal his true intentions at the outset.

2 Corinthians 11:14

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

Masturbation is a deviance from the original purpose for the parts of our bodies used in sexual intercourse, and this deviation clearly represents sexual immorality, and there is no evidence, not even in the website recommended by 'moviefan', indicating that the act of masturbation can be performed consistently without lusting. It is simply a non-existent hypothetical being used to create an imaginary foundation of fact, meant to fool those who are not aware of the addictive potential and its biblilcal definition as perverseness.

As hollywood has convinced many that pre-marital sex is an integral part of dating, some websites, books and studies inadvertantly lead the people of God to sin by convincing them that God does not oppose masturbation.
 
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BellaFlor

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Then every single person makes this sin, even if they were a little kid... everyone, EVERYONE, has done that or does it.

I don't think anybody should judge others to the point where people feel nervous about admitting/talking about what they've done. Everybody sins.
I haven't done that as a child, nor as a teenager, nor as an grown up.
It never came to my mind, not even wanting to put in a tampong in there nor touching me in there.
It didn't seem normal to me, and never has, not untill after I married.
 
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wasn't God the first legalist as he made the law that if they eat the forbidden fruit they would die?
 
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Well, the word "legalist" (at least in the modern sense) usually describes someone who insists on sticking to the absolute letter of every law, no matter the situation or circumstance. This is exactly what the Pharisees were like in Biblical times, because Jesus' ministry of grace was threatening their religious authority. Nowadays, the (sadly popular) term "fundamentalist" is often used as well. God is very clear that His laws are incredibly important, but Paul stressed that salvation can't be born from works alone.
 
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Yeah so God was a legalist., as He held eve to account to the laws he created.
 
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Well, the only law that God gave Adam & Eve (or at least the only one recorded) was not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. He gave them life, each other, food, a beautiful garden to look after, and a relationship with Him that humanity's been trying to recapture ever since. The only thing God kept for Himself was that one tree, but Adam & Eve disobeyed, and our fallen world is a direct result. After that, it would be about 2,400 years until the Ten Commandments were given.
 
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worldlover

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I think sex is the toughest issue to deal with even we are committed to God because it's our nature and if get influenced by other people it will really trigger us. But despite of this, we still have the option to fight the temptations that we're facing especially in any sexual matters and that is to committ ourselves to God for real. We have to discipline ourselves, strengthen our faith, pray everytime it comes, and make a promise that we'll try harder to take it out of our mind as much as possible because our mind is so powerful that's why we cannot handle these most of the time. I admit that i still masturbate but i've already reduced it by doing the these. Lastly, you can't solve it in an instant just take your time and make slower approach until you finally get out. Temptation always comes and most of us give in that's why there's God to give us drive in order to escape from it.
 
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greatkraw

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Well, the word "legalist" (at least in the modern sense) usually describes someone who insists on sticking to the absolute letter of every law, no matter the situation or circumstance. This is exactly what the Pharisees were like in Biblical times, because Jesus' ministry of grace was threatening their religious authority. Nowadays, the (sadly popular) term "fundamentalist" is often used as well. God is very clear that His laws are incredibly important, but Paul stressed that salvation can't be born from works alone.
nononononno this is the problem

legalism is ADDING TO THE WORD OF GOD

the pharisees did it

the woman in the garden did it

people in this forum do it all the time
 
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carpetmanswife

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romans 13:14 put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ and make not provision for the flesh , to fulfil the lusts thereof.
1 cor 6:18 flee fornication
2 tim. 2:22 flee also youthful lusts
1 thess.5:22 abstain from all appearance of evil


temptation is to be avoided by fleeing what hinders, by following what helps, and by seeking the company of spiritual people.
 
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I often meet nice people who are singles, whether in real life or online, who will talk about their faith and commitment to the Lord. Then they'll say something like, "Oh, when I get home tonight, my boyfriend/girlfriend is going to cook..." or they will talk about even more personal details, giving away the fact that they are obviously living with, and sleeping with, a partner.

What about all of you?

Any thoughts?
Acts 15:19-20 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
 

mystdancer50

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Lately, I've been noticing almost an urgency among believers to get the stamp of approval from others for all types of sexual sin. Polygamy is vehemently defended on here, as is homosexuality. There are some that stand firm to the word of God and defend sexual purity, but the valid proofs fall on 'deaf' ears. It's like Christians want their lust satisfied...so long as they can have it approved by other believers and get the stamp of approval on it. It is frustrating to say the least, but I don't see it going away anytime soon.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Lately, I've been noticing almost an urgency among believers to get the stamp of approval from others for all types of sexual sin. Polygamy is vehemently defended on here, as is homosexuality. There are some that stand firm to the word of God and defend sexual purity, but the valid proofs fall on 'deaf' ears. It's like Christians want their lust satisfied...so long as they can have it approved by other believers and get the stamp of approval on it. It is frustrating to say the least, but I don't see it going away anytime soon.
There's biblical support for Polygamy. And Concubines. Only exception being the position of bishop (It specifically says the husband of one wife). King David had multiples, Solomon had multiples, and many others had concubines.