None Good...No Not One!
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Just an honest question but what is at the core of the issue of total depravity vs the other one....I forgot....but nevertheless, putting those two issues aside...is it possible for the two different sides of the coin to live at peace with the other, or is one going to hell and the other not. Cuz really that is the issue....do those who believe in total depravity believe there isn't room in heaven for both and vice versa?
Because if one of us has that wrong and as a result are going to hell......then that opens a whole can of worms as to how we all fall short of the commands of scripture.
Because if one of us has that wrong and as a result are going to hell......then that opens a whole can of worms as to how we all fall short of the commands of scripture.
if a man thinks the doctrine saves him, he has lost already.
any doctrine. (letter of the law type stuff)....
since jesus said "unless you become like a little child, you will never even see the kingdom of heaven"
and since children don't care diddly about the so-called doc of dep, or the other, it doesn't matter....
..... either be becoming like a little child as jesus says,
or not.
no one will make someone else.
any doctrine. (letter of the law type stuff)....
since jesus said "unless you become like a little child, you will never even see the kingdom of heaven"
and since children don't care diddly about the so-called doc of dep, or the other, it doesn't matter....
..... either be becoming like a little child as jesus says,
or not.
no one will make someone else.
good. one out of many descriptions in GOD'S WORD for his children, in grace, by faith. (remember people can possibly 'imitate' things, including putting off malice or doing it for deceptive reasons -- like whitewashed tombs did long ago , or tried to make it look that way..... ) i.e.
along with all else included, whatever is not of faith is sin. (this is much more important shortly or later)
along with all else included, whatever is not of faith is sin. (this is much more important shortly or later)
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That is tied into the leaven of the Pharisees verses the uneavened bread of sincerity
1 Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
People can fake a lot of things even fiegn themselves honest, but just because that is true shouldnt change anything for anyone else desiring to be both honest and sincere.
Someone can be plain to anothers conscience too, I believe that.
1 Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
People can fake a lot of things even fiegn themselves honest, but just because that is true shouldnt change anything for anyone else desiring to be both honest and sincere.
Someone can be plain to anothers conscience too, I believe that.
yes, qualified --- a lot of people (most people) have guilty consciences, or seared consciences, and that makes their thoughts untrustworthy.
a little child in the spirit of yahshua , abiding in union with him, and taught the way he should go, often has the clean and clear fellowship with yahweh, by yahweh's grace, and as HIS WORD says clearly, to perceive and experientially know the TRUTH which is hidden from scholars and lawyers and such as GOD'S WORD says -
to know from GOD what the flesh cannot know or learn.
it is in the spirit that yahweh teaches and communicates with a persons spirit, as written in the NT,
and in the spirit what is learned, may be eventually learned in the mind with words taught by the spirit.
i.e. the hunches, intuition, conscience, and mind cannot perceive spiritual things - spirit perceives spirit, as yahweh says and accomplishes and permits.
this is simpler in experience in yahshua hamashiach , not complicated.
a little child in the spirit of yahshua , abiding in union with him, and taught the way he should go, often has the clean and clear fellowship with yahweh, by yahweh's grace, and as HIS WORD says clearly, to perceive and experientially know the TRUTH which is hidden from scholars and lawyers and such as GOD'S WORD says -
to know from GOD what the flesh cannot know or learn.
it is in the spirit that yahweh teaches and communicates with a persons spirit, as written in the NT,
and in the spirit what is learned, may be eventually learned in the mind with words taught by the spirit.
i.e. the hunches, intuition, conscience, and mind cannot perceive spiritual things - spirit perceives spirit, as yahweh says and accomplishes and permits.
this is simpler in experience in yahshua hamashiach , not complicated.
good. you have in your posts tested things by GOD'S WORD, as "Bereans" do for example, and as it
is needed to do.
others usually believe their own thoughts without knowing GOD'S WORD or submitting /subjecting their thoughts and imaginations to JESUS (as it is written in HIS WORD) --
their own thoughts and feelings and emotions contrary to GOD'S WORD,
thus they are unreliable for checking or testing or trusting or knowing TRUTH. and they don't want it known by others,
so they 'hide' it through various means and distractions or devices man has developed to complicate things instead of
trusting and believing GOD in the simple way HE has made everything....
they haven't surrendered to GOD through JESUS yet, but rather try to defend their's or another's so-called 'rights' that GOD'S WORD does not authorize or recognize or support.
once they surrender, once anyone surrenders, through JESUS to GOD the FATHER, all their worry and fears are 'lightened' as KING DAVID said - even better as JESUS says "I give you peace, not as the world gives...." and they rest in HIS care, (LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN!) (lambs/ sheep too!)
is needed to do.
others usually believe their own thoughts without knowing GOD'S WORD or submitting /subjecting their thoughts and imaginations to JESUS (as it is written in HIS WORD) --
their own thoughts and feelings and emotions contrary to GOD'S WORD,
thus they are unreliable for checking or testing or trusting or knowing TRUTH. and they don't want it known by others,
so they 'hide' it through various means and distractions or devices man has developed to complicate things instead of
trusting and believing GOD in the simple way HE has made everything....
they haven't surrendered to GOD through JESUS yet, but rather try to defend their's or another's so-called 'rights' that GOD'S WORD does not authorize or recognize or support.
once they surrender, once anyone surrenders, through JESUS to GOD the FATHER, all their worry and fears are 'lightened' as KING DAVID said - even better as JESUS says "I give you peace, not as the world gives...." and they rest in HIS care, (LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN!) (lambs/ sheep too!)
yes, no worries. no contradictions. i was /am in agreement about not trusting people's thoughts(not even our own thoughts), and
describing for contrast how people trusting their own(or others) thoughts led to error opposed to GOD'S WORD and different than what JESUS says in HIS WORD ---
the same can happen to us if we start/go back to/ trusting our own thoughts instead of GOD'S WORD.
describing for contrast how people trusting their own(or others) thoughts led to error opposed to GOD'S WORD and different than what JESUS says in HIS WORD ---
the same can happen to us if we start/go back to/ trusting our own thoughts instead of GOD'S WORD.
no, it's not there none-the-less cross... ,
they are the only ones who can tell you, a new creation is now, real time, - those who are born from above ...
however, you may(probably) personally not know anyone living (like the disciples,as a disciple) as a follower of Jesus. few do. when you meet one, you will be humbled out of your socks, without a word, "surprised speechless" even.... with awe and wonder and thankful heart to God.
even that it is possible is unknown to the world.
they are the only ones who can tell you, a new creation is now, real time, - those who are born from above ...
however, you may(probably) personally not know anyone living (like the disciples,as a disciple) as a follower of Jesus. few do. when you meet one, you will be humbled out of your socks, without a word, "surprised speechless" even.... with awe and wonder and thankful heart to God.
even that it is possible is unknown to the world.
