Is Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) a total joke?

[JackH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVoGfSSSV8

He,he,he

You got owned once again junior.
Thats why you can not respond huh?

What is it baby? Did dr dino short you on your paycheck or something?
Is that the root of the Dino tantrum?

I already asked you (see post #285) when you posted the link to this video before if you know who the speaker is and what makes you think he is a credible expert witness.

Not to worry, if you can't figure it out, I will give you the answer soon.

 

[JackH]

Appears all you got left is juvenile attacking.

Run along junior,the forum is for the adults

Your post here is in response to my post to one of yours that was unintelligible. One reason it was unintelligible is because it did not contain one single word that anyone would recognize.

Now, my post referred to the fact that Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind) butchered grammar in his Ph.D thesis, and that you remind me of him in that respect. Have you read his Ph.D thesis?

Did I deviate from the truth?

Are you fluent in other languages besides English?

Back in the second post on this thread, I was asked if I believe that the bible is true, or accurate.

Let me ask you the same question: Do you believe the bible is true, or accurate?

If so, what bible, exactly?

The King James, the Septuagint (LXX), or what?

I asked about your fluency in languages other than English in the event that your answer might be the Vulgate.

 

[thecreationtutor]

What is the original language of the bible?

How could you know whatever your answer is for sure since there are no original documents.

You are saying that God's words are true because God says so.

Isn't that one of your logical fallacies you are so quick to point out, even though yours are highly suspect?

I don't need a specific date for how old the earth is or much of anything else. I don't care if the earth is 4.6 billion years old or 2 billion years old. I'll go with what the overwhelming evidence of the vast majority of credible scientists is. If that age of the earth changes, fine with me.

YECs, however, can not deviate much from around 6,000 years old for the age of the world, earth, animals, humans et al.

If they do deviate from around 6,000 years, everything falls apart even more than it already has. Think Egypt, as only one problem area.

Most YECs and Answers In Genesis (which you referred to today), Institute for Creation Research, and the ilk stick with Ussher's chronology. Not exactly to the date of creation as 4004 BC but generally to the tune of around 6,000 years for the date of creation.

Ussher's chronology was in the King James bible, and many others, for several hundred years.

Why do suppose it was taken out?

With respect to your last sentence, who are you talking to?

Are you referring to me?

30 minutes of homework will tell you we have thousands of manuscripts to back up Scriptures accuracy

Can a hill be defended while being on the hill??\

Can you take a speck out of your eye while you are cleaning it?

-An ultimate source, can only reference itself as a source, if it referenced something else - it would not be ultimate


This argument can be used against the quaran since it refers to other sources as being sources of truth, calls Jesus a prophet in one area, then says that he never died on the Cross - when we have historical proof of Jesus dying on the cross

God has elevated His word to that of His name, and He watches over it to see that it is performed - Repent and believe the Gospel that you might live

 

[JackH]

30 minutes of homework will tell you we have thousands of manuscripts to back up Scriptures accuracy

Can a hill be defended while being on the hill??\

Can you take a speck out of your eye while you are cleaning it?

-An ultimate source, can only reference itself as a source, if it referenced something else - it would not be ultimate


This argument can be used against the quaran since it refers to other sources as being sources of truth, calls Jesus a prophet in one area, then says that he never died on the Cross - when we have historical proof of Jesus dying on the cross

God has elevated His word to that of His name, and He watches over it to see that it is performed - Repent and believe the Gospel that you might live

Fallacy - Begging the Question.

You didn't answer any of my questions.

So let me ask you this:

Is the Scripture that Jesus and the apostles quoted from, the Septuagint (LXX) totally free from error?

 

[JackH]

None of the five museum officials whom Luther Sunderland interviewed could offer a single example of

You do know that Luther Sunderland said to his fellow YEC scientists . . .

"Do not talk about a flood because there is no way a single world flood can be derived from scientific evidence alone"

right?

So what do you think about a global flood now?

 

[kodiak]

Well, let's figure out who is aware of what.

Where is this evidence of fossils purporting to be human and dinosaur footprints that prove humans and dinosaurs coexisted?

What museum are they located at? Or exactly where?

What scientific evidence exists that the fossils are in fact that of humans and dinosaurs walking together?

Of course, if the dinosaur was a T.rex, the human was probably not walking with T.rex, but was probably running away.

Unless that was before the fall when T. rex didn't eat meat, according to what I seen some Young Earth Creationists post in these forums.

So you haven't heard of the pyramid found that dates back to the time of the dinosaurs? It was reported in a big newspaper in another Country. They say it was built by humans.....do you think the dinosaurs built it?

 

[Tintin]

How about we all just abandon this thread and leave Jack alone to troll his beanstalk? Then it can die a short, well-deserved death.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Fallacy - Begging the Question.

You didn't answer any of my questions.

So let me ask you this:

Is the Scripture that Jesus and the apostles quoted from, the Septuagint (LXX) totally free from error?

Yes, I pretty much did - some Circular reasoning must occur in the Sense that - the Bible cannot reference another source, which it does not,

You can defend a hill while being on the hill
You can clean your eye while looking through it

Well, this conversation is going no where pretty much - if you want to die in your sins, your blood is on your own hands

 

[JackH]

So you haven't heard of the pyramid found that dates back to the time of the dinosaurs? It was reported in a big newspaper in another Country. They say it was built by humans.....do you think the dinosaurs built it?

You are talking about the pyramid in Crimea, right?

No, I don't think dinosaurs built it.

What is your point in mentioning this?

Who do you think built it?

 

[JackH]

if you want to die in your sins, your blood is on your own hands

So I'm eternally damned if I do not agree with your young earth worldview?

Are Billy Graham, the Pope, and Pat Robertson going to hell too?

 

[kodiak]

You are talking about the pyramid in Crimea, right?

No, I don't think dinosaurs built it.

What is your point in mentioning this?

Who do you think built it?

You have been arguing that dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time.....so who created the pyramid from the period of the dinosaurs? The scientists say humans....but that would disprove evolution in that dinosaurs and humans could not live at the same time.....

 

[JackH]

You have been arguing that dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time.....so who created the pyramid from the period of the dinosaurs? The scientists say humans....but that would disprove evolution in that dinosaurs and humans could not live at the same time.....

Aliens?

That's what some say.

Please be a little more specific.

Are you talking about the pyramid in Crimea?

As distinguished from the pyramids in Egypt.

I asked you if it was that pyramid but you didn't say.

And whatever pyramid you are speaking about, how old do say it is?

 

[JackH]

This is for you jack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVoGfSSSV8
FF to 3;40
bacterial flagellum. It has a working outboard motor,a marvel of engineeriing,that darwin only saw as a blob of jelly.

That motor spins at 10,000 rpm and propels it through the liquid.

The tiny motor has a stator,a ujoint,a driveshaft,a rotor.
IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY.......................poor guy,you are nailed by this discovery ,even worse than the fossil record.

But lo,I relent,my ford truck has been dated to 10 million years old,so mechanicle motore must have all evolved.
I wonder how big an explosion i will need to upgrade to a 2015 new truck????

I asked you twice if you even knew who that is in your video, and you did not respond.

That is Michael Behe, who has done more to make your YEC cult a joke than even Dr. Dino (Kent Hovind).

The federal judge in Kitzmiller v. Dover said:

"We therefore find that Professor Behe's claim for IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large."

 

[JackH]

I'm not sure what your view is, but as a conservative evangelical Christian I do not like Kent Hovind either.

I see you are trashing Seventh-Day Adventists today to the extent of bringing back every old thread that you can find.

Everybody knows that.

But did you know that YECs have Seventh-Day Adventists to thank for their global flood geology?

Yes indeed, Henry Morris, founder of the Institute for Creation Research, in his book on global flood geology relied heavily on the previous writings of Seventh-Day Adventists George McGready Price and Ellen G. White.

 

[JackH]

I wish suuuuuumbody who believes in a local Genesis flood explain how Mt Ararat was covered 20 cubits above its peak and still kept that flood local!! Does ANYBODY see how stooooopid that sounds?!?

You stood corrected on the 20 cubits being 15 cubits.

But where do you get that Mt. Ararat was covered?

 

[JackH]

Evidence of a universal flood include Great salt lake

I'll go with this explanation, but please feel free to persuade me otherwise:

"Thirty thousand years ago, during the last iceage, Lake Bonneville expanded from a smallsaline lake to a freshwater lake that coveredabout 20,000 square miles and was about 1,000feet deep. About 16,000 years ago, the lakecut a massive outlet at its northern end anddischarged a flood that reached the Snake River.A dry period nearly eliminated any remnant ofthe lake about 500 years later, but increasingBrine shrimp (Artemia franciscana) adults and cysts.precipitation raised the water surface to about50 feet above the present lake level, creatingGreat Salt Lake."

http://pubs.usgs.gov/wri/wri994189/PDF/WRI99-4189.pdf

 

[dcontroversal]

I'll go with this explanation, but please feel free to persuade me otherwise:

"Thirty thousand years ago, during the last iceage, Lake Bonneville expanded from a smallsaline lake to a freshwater lake that coveredabout 20,000 square miles and was about 1,000feet deep. About 16,000 years ago, the lakecut a massive outlet at its northern end anddischarged a flood that reached the Snake River.A dry period nearly eliminated any remnant ofthe lake about 500 years later, but increasingBrine shrimp (Artemia franciscana) adults and cysts.precipitation raised the water surface to about50 feet above the present lake level, creatingGreat Salt Lake."

http://pubs.usgs.gov/wri/wri994189/PDF/WRI99-4189.pdf

Yeah...more regurgitated opinion Jack........so....who recorded the history, measurements, time spans etc. and then who passed the facts down from generation to generation to this present time......nothing but conjecture and supposition......period!

 

[JackH]

Yeah...more regurgitated opinion Jack........so....who recorded the history, measurements, time spans etc. and then who passed the facts down from generation to generation to this present time......nothing but conjecture and supposition......period!

Say what?

My source was the United States Geological Survey (USGS).

If you are paying taxes (unlike Dr. Dino aka Kent Hovind, at least not what he owed, which is one reason why he is serving a 10-year prison sentence, apparently soon to be increased), then you paid for the information on the Great Salt Lake.

From the USGS website, which I already linked to:

Mission
The USGS serves the Nation by providing reliable scientific information to describe and understand the Earth; minimize loss of life and property from natural disasters; manage water, biological, energy, and mineral resources; and enhance and protect our quality of life.
[HR][/HR]Who We Are
The USGS employs the best and the brightest experts who bring a range of earth and life science disciplines to bear on problems. By integrating our diverse scientific expertise, the USGS is able to understand complex natural science phenomena and provide scientific products that lead to solutions. Every day the 10,000 scientists, technicians, and support staff of the USGS are working for you in more than 400 locations throughout the United States.
[HR][/HR]What We Do
As the Nation's largest water, earth, and biological science and civilian mapping agency, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) collects, monitors, analyzes, and provides scientific understanding about natural resource conditions, issues, and problems. The diversity of our scientific expertise enables us to carry out large-scale, multi-disciplinary investigations and provide impartial scientific information to resource manage

So dcontroversal, where do you get your scientific information from, exactly?

 

[dcontroversal]

Say what?

My source was the United States Geological Survey (USGS).

If you are paying taxes (unlike Dr. Dino aka Kent Hovind, at least not what he owed, which is one reason why he is serving a 10-year prison sentence, apparently soon to be increased), then you paid for the information on the Great Salt Lake.

From the USGS website, which I already linked to:

Mission
The USGS serves the Nation by providing reliable scientific information to describe and understand the Earth; minimize loss of life and property from natural disasters; manage water, biological, energy, and mineral resources; and enhance and protect our quality of life.
[HR][/HR]Who We Are
The USGS employs the best and the brightest experts who bring a range of earth and life science disciplines to bear on problems. By integrating our diverse scientific expertise, the USGS is able to understand complex natural science phenomena and provide scientific products that lead to solutions. Every day the 10,000 scientists, technicians, and support staff of the USGS are working for you in more than 400 locations throughout the United States.
[HR][/HR]What We Do
As the Nation's largest water, earth, and biological science and civilian mapping agency, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) collects, monitors, analyzes, and provides scientific understanding about natural resource conditions, issues, and problems. The diversity of our scientific expertise enables us to carry out large-scale, multi-disciplinary investigations and provide impartial scientific information to resource manage

So dcontroversal, where do you get your scientific information from, exactly?

Oh, I guess that makes the info legit because it was the USGS....man I should have known better........yeah I buy that one.....as far as taxes go......I haven't had to pay taxes in years except maybe a little state tax every now and then and personal property taxes.......there is not a dated source on this planet that accurately details the exact time of the creation/formation of anything on this planet......so to surmise either way is a colossal waste of time, brain cells and air!

 

[john832]

Well Jack-O, I see you attack him and other creationists, but are never able to rebut what he says. How about explaining where the creation came from?

18-20 billion years ago nothing blew up and made everything. Where did the element lead come from? Don't even try to tell me it is made from stars super nova-ing or fusion. You can't fuse past iron.

And by the way where does law come from and why aren't the laws evolving? You depend on exactly the same laws we see today to explain a creation that occurred in the beginning.