alter personalities MPD

[microscoped]

"Good Grief! ---------- I can sympathize with anyone who comes on here with a phone. Not enough screen for me -- I want a real browser!"

( hehe )

~

It is not so much that I am "bothered" by your writing ( or other's ) --- I was simply saying that a person's manner of writing "tells on them"...

I own my own business and have recently moved my office out of the home and into a pretty big facility. My computer is there and I am not that much. Phone works but I think another computer is in the near future.

 

[atwhatcost]

I own my own business and have recently moved my office out of the home and into a pretty big facility. My computer is there and I am not that much. Phone works but I think another computer is in the near future.

What happened to this statement?

The other thread in the conspiracy section has been started I will not be taking the time to defend all these accusations but will lay out what the deliverance ministry really is.

 

[microscoped]

I have already asked you at least twice now that you give the scripture passages to back up what you say,which was asked here



You said this here in direct reply without answering the question asked above



I then ask you this in direct response to your reply above here



So once again where are the scriptures for you to be able to EVEN BEGIN that something like this is even TRUE?

By the way John tells us this

1 John 4

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Please stop with the pity party about being ASKED where the scriptures are to BACK UP WHAT you say. There is a RIGHT way and a wrong way to be healed of these things. (Been there myself) But throughout this whole thread and now another thread you started I have yet to see you post SCRIPTURE to back up you say and for some reason I keep hearing this


[video=youtube;OWwOJlOI1nU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWwOJlOI1nU[/video]

I actually took the time and like I said I m on my phone and laid out scripture for what I was saying and the questions you have asked I will answer briefly since all this seems like is an argument with no end. You take the word of a secular piece of paper which has no biblical standing. All the same words and phrases used by paper holders in there interpretation of things but since I hold no paper which I may add neither did Jesus I m attacked. The bible does not speak much on multiple personalities other than a broken hearted person. You do not deny the existence of MPD or as it is commonly known only to paper holders DID. If one has parts inside them that have different personalities how hard is it to guess that some may love one thing and hate another. Remember the scripture about a double minded man being unstable in all his ways? How does a double minded man love God and love the devil? Can not someone with MPD be double minded?

 

[damombomb]

I would bet the guy with the legion of spirits had MPD. Glad to see you are back. Pray all is going well.

 

[microscoped]

well obviously not a response to me, but hold on a minute here

I agree, frankly, about some of the rhetoric in here...it's overdone IMO

However, you really have not provided biblical backing...well certainly Jesus wants to heal and deliver, but I have some scholarly books in my library written by men who have a passion for the truth...these books are replete with scripture to back up what they say or believe...because it seems to me we should be open for having our minds changed if need be but at the same time exercise discernment...and some of us have discernment and some of us don't...getting angry is not discernment...but that's another thread

These books do not brag of the author's credentials, however the credentials certainly make them more ...well, believable shall we say?

I do have some formal training in some things and in others I have good experience under the belt. I am not an expert in anything but my ears are not too badly tuned...and I just don't hear from you what I would expect to hear that would underscore what you claim

I can prove what I say I can do....I don't know micro...you seem to have quite a few excuses and not too many reasons

If I came here to write a book my credentials would be listed. What you do not take into concideration is I am a man. An ordinary man. But like all of the apostles when the Holy Spirit was added the acted in power. I am not here to minister. I am not here to teach. I am not here to evangelise. Therefore the Holy Spirit has not given me the power to minister teach and evangelize here. Normally I would give you the I can prove it and go to this website and see but the Lord has not allowed me to. I am like I keep stressing out of season. I have been out of ministry for a year or two and the Lord has me in a position of getting ready to minister again. But that time is not yet. During the last year or two I have ministered to a few the Lord has brought my way but that is the Lord bringing them not being goaded into it to try to prove a point. Maybe one day the Lord will lead me to say my name and all can see who I am but till then I am being obedient and just merely getting ready. Healing from my family troubles and getting myself out of the way of Gods work. If it is an excuse you think I am making that is fine. I have God to answer to that's it.

 

[microscoped]

I would bet the guy with the legion of spirits had MPD. Glad to see you are back. Pray all is going well.

If he had anything other than demons it would have been spoken of in scripture.

 

[microscoped]

I would bet the guy with the legion of spirits had MPD. Glad to see you are back. Pray all is going well.

Thank you. It is going well. Weekends I spend with my kids.

 

[microscoped]

What happened to this statement?

What do you mean? Have I defended accusations on the other thread?

 

[PeterJens]

Matthew 21:22 - And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive. Was Jesus joking? And yes this goes according to his will. I believe most of the time people do get healed. With the attitude YOU have,I hope you never get sick..

Lol. The church and every christian who has ever read "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer"
Many, many millions have prayed and not received, so yes, for this statement to be true they have not believed.
But what is belief? There is a whole list of criteria, understanding, grace, relationship all wrapped up here.
But for you it is just asking. I have seen this fail, heared testimonies about it failing, see believers die even though many prayed "believing" in their terms. So either this bible is lying or we have miss-understood.

Now if I walk with Jesus and the Lord as if it was face to face, and I know this is Gods intention to heal, I ask and it happens. Now that is belief, but it is very rare.

What you stated was a heresy of the latter rain theology, that you can command things into being, that your word defines reality. It is simply not true. Yes you have authority, but only within the confinds of the Lords will, and walking in His ways.

And yes I do get ill, but rarely. And I walk with the Lord in faith, and in uses the situations I am in.
And you are wrong. People rarely get healed, just look at the healing meetings and the claims of healing made, for which there is often no evidence, and those who come forward often it is wishful thinking, with some dying a few days later.
Now if your faith in Jesus is dependent on this kind of power, then you have just lost your faith or are actively living in deception.

 

[presidente]

A pastor, no matter how well-trained in biblical or nouthetic counseling -- even with the proper state-required educational background -- would never presume to be qualified to assist someone legitimately suffering from DID, and most certainly a layperson should not do so.

I disagree with this. Factually, it's not true. And even if one accepts all your statements about the malady as fact, there is still a lot a pastor can do to minister to someone in this condition. God answering prayer can do a lot more good in an instant than years of therapy. The word of God is alive and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Would you tell a pastor not to minister to a cancer patient?

And when we consider that psychologists would put demonized people into one of their 'buckets' this probably a prime bucket to put the severely demonized in. How would a psychologist have diagnosed the Gergazine demoniac? What good would counseling have done him? After several words from Christ, He was healed.

 

[SarahM777]

I actually took the time and like I said I m on my phone and laid out scripture for what I was saying and the questions you have asked I will answer briefly since all this seems like is an argument with no end. You take the word of a secular piece of paper which has no biblical standing. All the same words and phrases used by paper holders in there interpretation of things but since I hold no paper which I may add neither did Jesus I m attacked. The bible does not speak much on multiple personalities other than a broken hearted person. You do not deny the existence of MPD or as it is commonly known only to paper holders DID. If one has parts inside them that have different personalities how hard is it to guess that some may love one thing and hate another. Remember the scripture about a double minded man being unstable in all his ways? How does a double minded man love God and love the devil? Can not someone with MPD be double minded?

I never said anything about psychiatry at all. I asked you to show the scriptures to back up what you say is true. And also I never said anything about whether the existence of MPD or DID is even true or not. So once again where the scriptures to back up your position?

 

[microscoped]

I never said anything about psychiatry at all. I asked you to show the scriptures to back up what you say is true. And also I never said anything about whether the existence of MPD or DID is even true or not. So once again where the scriptures to back up your position?

what specific part of my stance needs backed up by scripture? I have written a whole lot in this thread. To say back it up and have no reference point makes no sense. BUT if this is just the case of all believe someone with papers and not a minister then sorry I can not make you believe. I do believe I have made a significant amount of reference to scripture. Please be specific.

 

[SarahM777]

what specific part of my stance needs backed up by scripture? I have written a whole lot in this thread. To say back it up and have no reference point makes no sense. BUT if this is just the case of all believe someone with papers and not a minister then sorry I can not make you believe. I do believe I have made a significant amount of reference to scripture. Please be specific.

Let's try this again

Originally Posted by microscoped
You attack like others since you were never healed. Many hate it if others can be healed. I God worked with me in the physical bodies I would help you better believe it. this whole thread has been an attack and no biblical standing for it. It is just I am wrong and so and so said it so its true cause I agree..... I do not have disabilities. However since I was sexually abused I have a passion to help others get the healing Jesus was whipped for. Why tell Jesus that His torture is not good enough for today. Sorry Christ we have medicine now and don't need the gifts of healing? I really care about people. Yeah I'm human. I have my faults. We all do but God can still use us. I was asked to put this thread together. I didn't volunteer. I didn't ask to be attacked but am still here unshaken and still standing by what I have said. JESUS HEALS DID.

I have already asked you at least twice now that you give the scripture passages to back up what you say,which was asked here

Originally Posted by SarahM777
Please show from scripture that anywhere in the OT,Jesus or the apostles said anything along this line of thinking at ALL.



You said this here in direct reply without answering the question asked above

Originally Posted by microscoped
Can you show me how this does not line up with scripture? Can you tell me if a person has eight parts and five deny Christ and hate him while one is devoted to him and three do not know where is this person going?





I then ask you this in direct response to your reply above here

Originally Posted by SarahM777
The onus is on you to SHOW FROM scripture that it is or can be true

a person has eight parts and five deny Christ and hate him while one is devoted to him and three do not know where is this person going?




So once again where are the scriptures for you to be able to EVEN BEGIN that something like this is even TRUE?

By the way John tells us this

1 John 4

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Please stop with the pity party about being ASKED where the scriptures are to BACK UP WHAT you say. There is a RIGHT way and a wrong way to be healed of these things. (Been there myself) But throughout this whole thread and now another thread you started I have yet to see you post SCRIPTURE to back up you say and for some reason I keep hearing this


Again the onus is ON YOU TO SHOW that this is even possible to have eight parts by scripture

Can you tell me if a person has eight parts and five deny Christ and hate him while one is devoted to him and three do not know where is this person going?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Medicine is not a benefit but what prolongs the persons torment.

That's a lie told from a "faith healer" perspective -- a "faith healer" who isn't one, I'm sure.

Learn how to listen and take in rather than spiut out your credentials and you're better and know something.

I listen for a living. You lie for fun. And I "spout" (or "spit," whichever you were trying to say) my credentials because I actually have them, Yet this is the best you can do ...

Oh how I wish I could say who I am. All you would have to do is Google my name and you would either shut up or apologize.

Yeah, sure. PM me then. I'm sure I'll be impressed.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

The credentials have a purpose; however, they do not justify the idea that - if you do not possess the 'credentials', you are not qualified...

This is exactly what I've been saying. I've spent thousands of dollars to get some papers on a wall and an acknowledgement from two states -- and could get them from others -- that I am qualified to do what I do.

Yet I would not pretend to be capable of treating DID!

I know what it is, I've got the knowledge to diagnosis it. But despite everything that says I can do what I do, I do not have the knowledge to handle such a complex mental health disorder. It's origins, triggers, and presentation are far too complex for me to even begin to treat a client suffering from it.

This so-called "microscoped" clown is dangerous. He has no training, no concept of clinical or therapeutic concepts, laying claim to being "set apart by God" to "treat" <-- (jokingly used term) DID. I am absolutely sure God could so equip someone for such a task if He desired, but in this day and age He uses far more mundane and ordinary approaches, such as having someone spend thousands of dollars to get paper he/she can hang on a wall.

I don't know why He chooses to act in such fashion today. Certainly he could zap someone with the knowledge if He chose. But He rarely ever so chooses. Even the original Twelve went to seminary -- the seminary of Jesus Christ, graduating class of 30 AD or thereabouts. Paul went to seminary -- again, the seminary of Jesus Christ, graduating class (approximately) of 43 AD. God didn't even "zap" the apostles with the power to speak His message without giving them a tremendous education in the Bible and in His theology.

Everyone who speaks in the Bible has a biblical background before being called. Amos, for example, who if called today would being standing in front of the White House in Oshkosh overalls and wearing a John Deere cap, telling the government it needed to repent. Jewish boys had a deep grounding in Scripture, even if they didn't go on to be rabbis.

Why in the world does anyone -- unless they are an abject liar and charlatan like "microscoped" -- think they should be believed when they profess to have all the worldly and heavenly knowledge it takes years for God's best servants to acquire?

It isn't impossible. But it isn't likely, either.

 

[ember]

If I came here to write a book my credentials would be listed. What you do not take into concideration is I am a man. An ordinary man. But like all of the apostles when the Holy Spirit was added the acted in power. I am not here to minister. I am not here to teach. I am not here to evangelise. Therefore the Holy Spirit has not given me the power to minister teach and evangelize here. Normally I would give you the I can prove it and go to this website and see but the Lord has not allowed me to. I am like I keep stressing out of season. I have been out of ministry for a year or two and the Lord has me in a position of getting ready to minister again. But that time is not yet. During the last year or two I have ministered to a few the Lord has brought my way but that is the Lord bringing them not being goaded into it to try to prove a point. Maybe one day the Lord will lead me to say my name and all can see who I am but till then I am being obedient and just merely getting ready. Healing from my family troubles and getting myself out of the way of Gods work. If it is an excuse you think I am making that is fine. I have God to answer to that's it.

yes...you are a man who makes excuses for not answering questions and providing valid scripture for what you do

One moment you have deliverance ministry and then you don't....now you have credentials and if only you could show them to us

Now you are not writing a book so you don't need credentials

Maybe one day the Lord will lead me to say my name and all can see who I am but till then I am being obedient and just merely getting ready

you do understand that you constantly reveal you are all about yourself?


you have been and are evasive...you dodge questions and you have provided absolutely no scripture to validate what you state in spite of the fact you have kept us all dangling here waiting for it

THAT is the actual reason I said a thread on this topic would be ok...

Now, you have started yet another thread...

I am not here to teach. I am not here to evangelise. Therefore the Holy Spirit has not given me the power to minister teach and evangelize here

Funny. I am in season and out of season...like scripture states:

Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. II Tim 4:2

But you need a special dispensation....

Normally I would give you the I can prove it and go to this website and see but the Lord has not allowed me to

yes...I am getting the impression you are the exception to whatever scripture applies to the rest of us...you are special and God is saving you for a rainy day

D e c e p t i o n

 

[ember]

what specific part of my stance needs backed up by scripture? I have written a whole lot in this thread. To say back it up and have no reference point makes no sense. BUT if this is just the case of all believe someone with papers and not a minister then sorry I can not make you believe. I do believe I have made a significant amount of reference to scripture. Please be specific.

you are one slippery little individual.....

All who belong to God WALK IN THE LIGHT ...

You have stated you can tell people with alters on this thread...well, you know who you are too then I suppose

 

[Miri]

Microscoped you have come in for a lot of critisim on this thread , I don't want
to inflame the situation any further but felt I needed to add the following:

Incidentally I knew nothing about MPD and DID until I looked it up.


I know there are genuine times when a person does need delivery from satan.
I know there are times when a person is genuinely physically ill.
There are also times when a person needs genuine emotional help and counselling.
I believe mental health issues can be due to any one of the above due to a variety of
reasons and causes.

We fight the WORLD, the FLESH and the DEVIL do we not?

I don't know you.
I don't know if you have a genuine deliverance ministry or not.
All I could do is read your previous threads and I see you are having some difficulties
yourself both due to relationship/ family matters (I'm sorry about this by the way) and
also that some of your biblical doctrine seems off.


But having said that, Christians do not have to be perfect to help others, if we did there
would be no pastoral counselling, witnessing to others etc.


If you have a genuine deliverance/counselling ministry in the area you say, then the best
place to practice that is in your own sphere of influence. Your own church for example,
your own city, and/or your own ministry built up which presumably means you have
people you are accountable to and who support you etc and people who might be
referred to you from churches and other organisations etc. If this is not the case
then there is something very wrong and I would question if you have a
genuine ministry in this area.

However trying to build up such a ministry on somewhere like CC or inviting people (who
have no idea who you are) to come to you for help and prayer and "expert" advice from
you is at best unwise and at worst could be disastrous both for yourself, the people
concerned and for the reputation of CC, especially if something were to go wrong.

Really you should be advising people to seek out professional advice, this would be the
responsible thing to do.

If I was ill for example and asked advice and someone claiming to be a doctor gave out
advice on here. How would I know if that was going to cause harm or good? The
appropriate answer would be to seek medical help.

No one on here can tell if you are genuine or not and that is why you are getting such a lot
of stick. Also people are concerned that no one is harmed on here by someone who claims
to be something they are not. There are a lot of people claiming all sorts on social media
websites. I could claim to be Liz the queen of England for example!

So yes enjoy the website, enjoy the fellowship, share your experiences if you want.
But in wisdom, it is wrong to set yourself up as an expert in this field and encourage
people on CC (who may be immensely damaged), or any other social media website to turn
to you for the kind of help you are offering

You also have to bear in mind that this is an international site with people from different
countries and different cultures. This in and of itself poses other difficulties.


If you are genuine then there must be other accountable ways for you to continue this
ministry; and if you are not...well nuff said.


God bless
x

 

[damombomb]

Ok, my Mother was physically and mentally abused by her dad as a child. She now suffers from RA, has a terrible spine.High blood pressure.
She has a hard time letting the past go. She constantly talks about her sickness. Morning till night. How would you
Talk to her?

 

[microscoped]

This is exactly what I've been saying. I've spent thousands of dollars to get some papers on a wall and an acknowledgement from two states -- and could get them from others -- that I am qualified to do what I do.

Yet I would not pretend to be capable of treating DID!

I know what it is, I've got the knowledge to diagnosis it. But despite everything that says I can do what I do, I do not have the knowledge to handle such a complex mental health disorder. It's origins, triggers, and presentation are far too complex for me to even begin to treat a client suffering from it.

This so-called "microscoped" clown is dangerous. He has no training, no concept of clinical or therapeutic concepts, laying claim to being "set apart by God" to "treat" <-- (jokingly used term) DID. I am absolutely sure God could so equip someone for such a task if He desired, but in this day and age He uses far more mundane and ordinary approaches, such as having someone spend thousands of dollars to get paper he/she can hang on a wall.

I don't know why He chooses to act in such fashion today. Certainly he could zap someone with the knowledge if He chose. But He rarely ever so chooses. Even the original Twelve went to seminary -- the seminary of Jesus Christ, graduating class of 30 AD or thereabouts. Paul went to seminary -- again, the seminary of Jesus Christ, graduating class (approximately) of 43 AD. God didn't even "zap" the apostles with the power to speak His message without giving them a tremendous education in the Bible and in His theology.

Everyone who speaks in the Bible has a biblical background before being called. Amos, for example, who if called today would being standing in front of the White House in Oshkosh overalls and wearing a John Deere cap, telling the government it needed to repent. Jewish boys had a deep grounding in Scripture, even if they didn't go on to be rabbis.

Why in the world does anyone -- unless they are an abject liar and charlatan like "microscoped" -- think they should be believed when they profess to have all the worldly and heavenly knowledge it takes years for God's best servants to acquire?

It isn't impossible. But it isn't likely, either.

You are starting to come around and believe in God. That is good. Just because you have never seen anyone healed of DID does that mean no one ever has? You are a smart man. You say God has chosen to act with Paper holders rather than ministers that just accept His knowledge. Why do you think this is? Most ministers fail just like you to remember that this is GOD. This isn't a professor. This is God. Don't you think the best person for God to work through is one that has no concept of the long arduous concepts that are taught? When one is taught it takes three days to mow there one acre lawn and are given one of those old time push mowers and by shear strength push and push and push and get it done in the time it was said and has no concept of zero turn mowers or tractor pulled ten foot deck finish mowers the one who pushed and pushed and pushed would never benefit from the better way if he never went to the store and seen the machines that are offered today. I have a zero turn lawn mower and the mental health profession has a push mower. Don't put God in a box. These people are hurting NOW. Lets get them healing NOW. You speak of yourself as one of God's best servants that has taken years to acquire this knowledge. When I started in this ministry it took me weeks to mold into what God wanted me to be. Within months some of the top men of God in my field were sending to me the cases they could not handle. Brother do not discount God. It sounds like you practice still. Before every session pray that God shows you what He wants. And accept it even if it goes against what you have been taught and go with it.