Getting him to lead..

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We should live the Christian lives through our actions not our words, and of course prayer is a big part of that.

Sister. I am sorry spiritual gifts are not a multiple choice answer sheet where the mark at the end tells you what you should be doing. Clearly your husband neither knows how to lead or teach. He may be passive until an opportunity comes up, which he is then happy to make a contribution or if an issue needs clarifying he can give his opinion.

What you are describing is a pastor who wants people to feel motivated, and rather than motivating them, he wants you to identify a gift, and then work at fulfilling it. What you seriously need to do is look at what you enjoy doing in the church, what encourages you, and look for more opportunity to do those things.

The reality is doing things because you want to builds on the success you already have, and whatever comes as a result is appreciated. So I would suggest you are looking for the wrong thing in the wrong way.

Now doing a bible study together is great, but what do you want to get out of it? If you husband finds it a problem, that is what you need to address, and maybe that the next step rather than expecting him to exercise gifts from a filled in sheet.
 
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#22
The thing is, and own sense is, bible study, reading, prayer, just being with God basically, all of it, shouldn't be a chore, rather a blessing from God. Have you thought of going out to a park to read together? Changing it up a bit. Different environment, all that jazz. I sometimes do some of my best "God time" when I am away from my home and just at my walking track.
 
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I'd like to ask my husband to study the Bible with me and pray with me, to except his role a the leader and to lead us towards God! ( We believe his spiritual gifts are Leading and Teaching) so how to I encourage him to do so with me when he seems not to want to, and hasn't even been reading on his own time daily....?
Why do you and the others believe his gifts are leading and teaching?

What is leadership?

Can you define a leader?

I mean no harm or insult.
 
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#24
My pastor doesn't hand out the sheets to everyone saying "here take this to find your spiritual gift." I asked him how do I start looking for it he said prayer and also gave me a sheet saying that it will " HELP point me in the right direction" may I repeat " HELP point me in the right direction towards finding it." Of course its not 100% but when you have no idea what you like to do In the church or would like to do that gives you a general idea of things you could be doing, instead of trying to think of them off the top of your head it also has bible verses specifically about spiritual gifts. So please stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
 
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My questions were meant to assist you. They are in post 23. I am only trying to help.
 
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My pastor doesn't hand out the sheets to everyone saying "here take this to find your spiritual gift." I asked him how do I start looking for it he said prayer and also gave me a sheet saying that it will " HELP point me in the right direction" may I repeat " HELP point me in the right direction towards finding it." Of course its not 100% but when you have no idea what you like to do In the church or would like to do that gives you a general idea of things you could be doing, instead of trying to think of them off the top of your head it also has bible verses specifically about spiritual gifts. So please stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
You are not addressing Galahad's post 23 with your reply. Just to be clear.
 

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When my first son as about 2 and couldn't talk yet, and I was living overseas, a lot of times, he'd fall asleep with his head on my arm as I watched something on TV. We went to a meeting at a friends house, and my wife noticed how one of the hosts left the room to pray with their baby before putting her to bed for the night. Later, she told me how she thought we should read Bible stories to our son at bedtime and pray with him. What she said was good, so I started doing that. Now, if I'm in the house at night and not working/studying and we aren't at church, I'll lead them in studying the Bible and praying at night before we go to bed. It's become part of our daily life.

When we were dating, I saw that my wife would pray, not just before meals, but before we left the house when I picked her up. So we pray before we ever take a car trip. I adopted some of her practices of prayer as my own. As a helpmeet, it's okay to do that. You'd like to see him suggesting the prayer routine as the leader, but as a helpmeet, you can also suggest ideas like that.

I know you don't want to nag, but you could suggest things like, "Would you mind if we read the Bible together and prayed before we went to bed." If he wants to imitate Christ washing His bride with the washing of the word, this could be as simple as him reading a Bible passage to you. He doesn't have to put together a formal Bible study every time. I've also read that far less than 1% of Christian married couples who pray together regularly get divorced. That's something you could mention to him.

You could also look up resources on how to have devotions at night and download or buy them. Those are some things you could do to make suggestions and encourage him as a husband.
 
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#28
I must keep my role no matter how weak or hurt I am to show him the faithfulness of Our Lord and show him that even when we are weak the Lord is there to provide the strength to continue.
Sorry. I'm not getting this. If I'm hurt, I talk to hubby about it, even if he's not the one who hurt me. If I'm weak... well, yeah. I am weak. It's not a feeling. It's a fact. We are all, or there isn't a need for God.

What this sounds like is you're shutting up and putting on your martyr clothes. That's not your role. You're a partner, as well as a helper. If you've got problems, then you share it with hubby. Just remember, they're your problems.

(If a hubby doesn't do dishes, the dishes aren't his problem. If the wife wants him to do dishes, than the wife negotiate that, because she has that problem and needs to rework the concept of who does what. Maybe she rather do the laundry and take out the trash instead of doing dishes. If the wife doesn't want to do that, then no problem. Either the wife wash dishes or the kids wash dishes. No problem. But, honestly, not doing dishes isn't the hubby's problem, because he resolved that one in his mind as he can live with dirty dishes. This is what I mean by it's not his problem.)

You're the wife, not the put-upon Cinderella stuck in your quiet little corner. Speak up. What's the use of getting married if you can't talk to each other and give and get comfort? Please don't use us, in lieu of talking to hubby.
 
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#29
We should live the Christian lives through our actions not our words, and of course prayer is a big part of that.
If Jesus didn't use words, the NT is much, much shorter. Of course words are important.
 
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My pastor doesn't hand out the sheets to everyone saying "here take this to find your spiritual gift." I asked him how do I start looking for it he said prayer and also gave me a sheet saying that it will " HELP point me in the right direction" may I repeat " HELP point me in the right direction towards finding it." Of course its not 100% but when you have no idea what you like to do In the church or would like to do that gives you a general idea of things you could be doing, instead of trying to think of them off the top of your head it also has bible verses specifically about spiritual gifts. So please stop misinterpreting what I'm saying.
​Hubby and I both found our spiritual gifts through work sheets. It makes it much easier. ;)
 
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May I say that, if you that, you will be the leader, instead?

When I married, I did it for wrong reasons and when I knew she thought of herself "she was a leader" it was too late to me (we posponed that divorce for 13 years).

Just a question: Do you need that your husband tells you when to eat and when to take a shower?... The same applies for the spiritual needs and, if he isn´t pushing himself to be "a leader", the one pushing him to lead will be actually leading...

Just those thoughts to chew.
 
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PP

May I say that, if you DO that, you will be the leader, instead?
 
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#33
I will pray that God will give him the desire to lead in your household. As far as my personal belief goes, I am not married or dating, however I would not consider even dating someone if they do not have a desire to lead.
 
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Tonight, I was remembering this with hubby and me. As I mentioned, we did have something like a booklet to answer questions to give us some hint what our gifts were. And, yes, one of his gifts was teaching. (Not a pastor, but he could teach.)

Here is something like a conversation that took us three years to get through -- a little piece at a time, before he had the confidence (or the sheer driving concept that God did want him to teach.) I'm going to give initials, instead of names, to protect the innocent. Yeah, they are innocent, nice guys, so it's not fair to have them find themselves on some site online they never joined. lol

"Why would God pick me to teach? I'm no leader."
"Pffft, where did you get that from? You talk. People listen."
(Snort.) "No they don't."
"Really? Then how did M's life change so much?"
"We talked for years."
"Right. And why would R and M want you to teach?"
"I don't know."
"Because you have something useful to contribute."
(Thinks.) "Well, okay, but that doesn't make me a teacher."
I shrugged and smiled.

A few months later.
"They (R and M) want me to do the next Bible series on Wednesday nights."
"Which book?"
"Whichever one I want."
"Cool. Which one would you pick?"
"You know, but I'm no teacher."
"Romans?"
(A smile.)
"How long have you studied it?"
(Shrug.) "Romans 8 is tough. There's so much stuff in that chapter alone, and it changes everything."
"I know. You took months for that one."
(Chuckles and gets lost in thought.) "Yeah, but Teaching Elders have Master degrees. I can't teach like that."
"They know you. They know you can't teach like that, but still want you to teach."
"I'm no teacher. It's Romans. I don't even know how to teach it."
"Then learn."

A few of months later.
"C's good at teaching Genesis, isn't he?"
"Yeah. He's about the best of his class. I see him getting a good church after seminary."
"He's definitely well trained, and he has so much to offer. I'm no teacher."
"You're the one who got me to get Romans."
"Yeah, but you get me."
"So do R and M."
"I found out how to teach it. So-and-so (I forget what he was reading to remember which teacher he learned this from, other than the man was a well-known writer who wrote about different concepts from the Bible) said you should read it all the way through for a month every day. And then you get a sense of the whole book. From there you dig out the details."
"Are you going to do that?"
"Yeah."
"Cool. Just let me know if I'm interrupting when you do that."
"Okay, but I'm no teacher."

Two months later.
"I really get the whole of the book, but I'm stuck on the details. I'm not trained for this stuff. I'm no teacher. I'm not that organized."
"What do you need to be organized?"
"I like C's handout sheets for people to take notes."
"Pffft. I can type those out for you."
"I don't know what to put on it."
"I'm guessing some kind of outline with space for notes for each idea."
(Sighs.) "Yeah, that's a lot of work. I'm not trained for this."
"Are you there yet?"
"No, still studying."
"Taking noted?"
"Yeah, but could you read them?"
"I can read most of what you write, and you're right here, if I can't. Study now. Worry about worksheets later. I can help you with that."

And roughly six months later I was typing up the worksheet, and he was ready to face the Bible study group. Although, of course, "he's no teacher." Funny. The class really appreciated it and I could see everyone taking notes. Sometime in the future we all seemed to be on the same page when talking about Romans. But, hey. He's no teacher. He simply taught anyway.

That's encouraging without nagging. Helping where I could. Supporting. But it was between him and God. (Remember. We're not the only ones talking to our hubbies about this. It's not on our shoulders. He might need to borrow our shoulder, but that's part of marriage.)
 
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#35
Why do you and the others believe his gifts are leading and teaching?

What is leadership?

Can you define a leader?

I mean no harm or insult.
In my opinion a leader is someone who is loyal, determined, responsible, neat, decisive, determined, courageous, and initiative. Someone who has the ability to see the overall picture and clarify long range goals, has the desire to move on to a new challenge when a previous one is completed, Fulfillment in seeing all the pieces come together and others enjoying the finished result. I see a leader is someone who builds up ( whatever it is) in this case faith. Hope to see your opinions on what a leader is. Also I see him as more of a teaching personality but I see he has great potential in both.
 
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Tonight, I was remembering this with hubby and me. As I mentioned, we did have something like a booklet to answer questions to give us some hint what our gifts were. And, yes, one of his gifts was teaching. (Not a pastor, but he could teach.)

Here is something like a conversation that took us three years to get through -- a little piece at a time, before he had the confidence (or the sheer driving concept that God did want him to teach.) I'm going to give initials, instead of names, to protect the innocent. Yeah, they are innocent, nice guys, so it's not fair to have them find themselves on some site online they never joined. lol

"Why would God pick me to teach? I'm no leader."
"Pffft, where did you get that from? You talk. People listen."
(Snort.) "No they don't."
"Really? Then how did M's life change so much?"
"We talked for years."
"Right. And why would R and M want you to teach?"
"I don't know."
"Because you have something useful to contribute."
(Thinks.) "Well, okay, but that doesn't make me a teacher."
I shrugged and smiled.

A few months later.
"They (R and M) want me to do the next Bible series on Wednesday nights."
"Which book?"
"Whichever one I want."
"Cool. Which one would you pick?"
"You know, but I'm no teacher."
"Romans?"
(A smile.)
"How long have you studied it?"
(Shrug.) "Romans 8 is tough. There's so much stuff in that chapter alone, and it changes everything."
"I know. You took months for that one."
(Chuckles and gets lost in thought.) "Yeah, but Teaching Elders have Master degrees. I can't teach like that."
"They know you. They know you can't teach like that, but still want you to teach."
"I'm no teacher. It's Romans. I don't even know how to teach it."
"Then learn."

A few of months later.
"C's good at teaching Genesis, isn't he?"
"Yeah. He's about the best of his class. I see him getting a good church after seminary."
"He's definitely well trained, and he has so much to offer. I'm no teacher."
"You're the one who got me to get Romans."
"Yeah, but you get me."
"So do R and M."
"I found out how to teach it. So-and-so (I forget what he was reading to remember which teacher he learned this from, other than the man was a well-known writer who wrote about different concepts from the Bible) said you should read it all the way through for a month every day. And then you get a sense of the whole book. From there you dig out the details."
"Are you going to do that?"
"Yeah."
"Cool. Just let me know if I'm interrupting when you do that."
"Okay, but I'm no teacher."

Two months later.
"I really get the whole of the book, but I'm stuck on the details. I'm not trained for this stuff. I'm no teacher. I'm not that organized."
"What do you need to be organized?"
"I like C's handout sheets for people to take notes."
"Pffft. I can type those out for you."
"I don't know what to put on it."
"I'm guessing some kind of outline with space for notes for each idea."
(Sighs.) "Yeah, that's a lot of work. I'm not trained for this."
"Are you there yet?"
"No, still studying."
"Taking noted?"
"Yeah, but could you read them?"
"I can read most of what you write, and you're right here, if I can't. Study now. Worry about worksheets later. I can help you with that."

And roughly six months later I was typing up the worksheet, and he was ready to face the Bible study group. Although, of course, "he's no teacher." Funny. The class really appreciated it and I could see everyone taking notes. Sometime in the future we all seemed to be on the same page when talking about Romans. But, hey. He's no teacher. He simply taught anyway.

That's encouraging without nagging. Helping where I could. Supporting. But it was between him and God. (Remember. We're not the only ones talking to our hubbies about this. It's not on our shoulders. He might need to borrow our shoulder, but that's part of marriage.)
Thank you!
 
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Thank you. But if he isn't ready to make his role by the time or child comes ( which I have a feeling that thing change things greatly for the better and he will be glad to lead, he always talks bout reading the Bible to him as a bedtime story which I love lol) what should I do? And also I don't want to be the leader ive always trusted his decisions over mine (though I do have opinions) I've always followed his lead on life decisions.( money and ect.)
 
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In my opinion a leader is someone who is loyal, determined, responsible, neat, decisive, determined, courageous, and initiative. Someone who has the ability to see the overall picture and clarify long range goals, has the desire to move on to a new challenge when a previous one is completed, Fulfillment in seeing all the pieces come together and others enjoying the finished result. I see a leader is someone who builds up ( whatever it is) in this case faith. Hope to see your opinions on what a leader is. Also I see him as more of a teaching personality but I see he has great potential in both.
And, I've got to disagree with your definition of leader. (Don't take this as a putdown. I just see leadership a bit different than you.)

Hubby is a leader. Hubby' ain't neat. (I mean, he's neat, but he's also a slob, if you get how I changed what the word means. lol) He'd also prefer not to initiate something, but he has this weird thing, when he mentions something that bothers him, and then the next thing you know, everyone is on board and looking at him for guidance. He's already getting his hands dirty trying to get it done, before he looks up and notices everyone is staring at him. He might even point to something so one of the starers can come up with what he/she can contribute, before he notices everyone is staring. And then he gets kerflummoxed, because that's the moment he realizes he's leading, but he doesn't like being a leader. So, I don't agree with "neat" or "courageous."

Well, maybe courageous, but only because he's so stuck on getting done what he wanted accomplished that he's willing to deal with folks looking at him for guidance.

Outside of those minor disagreements, I think you are right on in that description of a leader.

(And, on a personal note: Your hubby is neat? Man! That's got to be nice. Of course, then it really depends if you're neat too. I'm not, so I appreciate hubby not minding that about me. Then again, too bad one of us doesn't keep this house better organized, but we can't afford a maid. lol)
 
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Thank you. But if he isn't ready to make his role by the time or child comes ( which I have a feeling that thing change things greatly for the better and he will be glad to lead, he always talks bout reading the Bible to him as a bedtime story which I love lol) what should I do? And also I don't want to be the leader ive always trusted his decisions over mine (though I do have opinions) I've always followed his lead on life decisions.( money and ect.)
Ah, the rest of our story fits here.

Hubby did teach up to Romans 9. (Yay! He got to teach the chapter that was hardest for us to grasp, and, because of that, others understood it easier.) And then BRAC hit. (Base Realignment and Closure Committee announced which military bases across the US would close or move. Hubby was a steamfitter on a base that was scheduled to close in five years. He had already broken his back -- not paralyzed, thankfully -- so he couldn't go back out on the street to do HVAC work. (heating and air-conditioning mechanic.) His back couldn't take that kind of strain anymore, so he had to learn a new trade. The government paid for the training, so he picked computer networking technician.

To learn that, he had to go to school 4 nights a week and spend the other nights studying, so teaching the Bible went out the window for a while, or so we thought.

By the end of all the drastic changes in our life, we both became physically disabled, so he cannot teach anymore. He has CFS, so his mind quits on him too quickly to absorb books.

-- Adam and Eve were made to be gardeners, but that didn't last long.
-- Abel was made to be a shepherd and Cain a farmer, but that didn't last long.
-- Joseph was the prodigal son to Jacob. (Privileged. Coddled. Favored.) He was a slave, and then a prisoner, before he became someone important.
-- David was a shepherd, then a soldier, then a king.

What do they all have in common? They did what they were made to do, but that was never the end of the story.

Your hubby was made to do what he's doing now. No one knows what he will do in the future. Make all the plans you want, but God's going to put you and him exactly where he wants you, even if it has no place in your plans. (He'll get you to the plans, if that's his will too, so I'm not saying don't make plans.)

What happens when you have kids? Your hubby becomes "Dad." (What better titles to give Dad than "teacher" and "leader?") Trust God to do whatever he's going to do.

Hubby was a teacher. He isn't anymore. He's still in God's plans. I'm guessing God's plans had something to do with teaching us to trust him and maybe even connecting with someone he taught in ways we'll never see the outcome of.

Your hubby may even go to seminar to become a pastor. Right now, you don't even know if it's God's plans to have kids.

He probably is a leader, so he will lead. He is probably a teacher, so he will teach. Lead and teach what is still something to figure out along the way -- with or without kids.
 
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Haha yes he is a man who is willing to pick up things when its in the way or just when it starts to bother him, not a neat freak though we don't have a spotless house but we try!
But I was more-so talking about neatness of the mind,
I suppose I should have used the word organized. And I got another great definition of a leader from you! Thank you :) they are also the type people often look up to.