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Jason0047 said:
Dear Chica:

I have to ask you. What is better? To stop sinning? Or to be a slave to your sin? If you had the opportunity to please God and to stop sinning, wouldn't you want to keep an open mind to the Scriptures on such a topic in order to do the highest good in order to please your Lord? I know I sure would. The question is: Why don't you? What possible reason could be holding you back? For why would you want to be a slave to sin? Why would God want us to be a slave to sin and evil? This is why I have a hard time understanding your motivation and position (In addition to your ignoring of the verses I have put forth). Romans 6 contrasts that you can either be a slave to sin or you can be a slave to righteousness. Think about that for a moment. If you are a slave to something, that means there is a master at the end of that thing you are a slave to. In other words, if one is a slave to sin, then they are slave to the devil because the Scriptures say that he that commits sin is of the devil. If one is a slave to righteousness, then their Master is God. For the Scriptures also say that he that does righteousness is of God.

In regards to the verse that says that the flesh is weak but the spirit is willing: Well, if you focus a laser beam on only that portion of Scripture that you want to see, then surely that is all you are going to see. However, if you were to look at the context, you would find that Jesus said that they should pray so as not to be led into temptation. So if there is no temptation (because you prayed to be led out of temptation)... how are you going to sin? For why else would you pray to be not led into tempation? Is Jesus lying? Did he really not mean you would be led out of temptation?

As for Romans chapter 7: Paul was talking about his experience as a Jew trying to obey the Law before he was a Christian. We know this for a fact because Romans 7:14 says he is sold under sin and in Romans 8:2 he says he is free from sin. So which is it? Can he be both as a Christian? No. That would be silly. A Christian is not sold under sin. They are free from sin. For sin has no more dominion over them if they are truly in Christ. For at the end of Romans 7, Paul gives us the solution to the struggle with the Law that he once had. He is not saying he had the solution already when he was struggling. The solution is in being in Jesus Christ and walking after the Spirit so as not to be under the "Condemnation." What is the "Condemnation" according to the Scriptures?

John 3:19-21 says,
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."​

Also, when you quote Romans 8:3

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: "​

You also have to look at verse 4, too.

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:4).​

Did you catch that? It says the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us. So we are to let righteousness be fulfilled in us. How? By walking after the Spirit. Walking after the Spirit will make a person to do righteous things according to God's Word. It will not lead them down the path into sinning on occasion.

Also, how many sins did Adam commit in order for sin and death take place?



Some on here have said that you don't have to feel sorrow or regret when you confess or repent. But anyways, the problem I have is that you think the believe will forever be a slave to his sin when Jesus did not speak favorably of such an idea. In John chapter 8 Jesus said to the Pharisees, if you sin you are a slave to sin. Jesus said to the woman caught in the act of adultery to sin not. Jesus did not give her any allowance to sin on certain occasions (Because she was weak). Jesus did not say.... well.... try not to sin even though you cannot overcome such a thing. Jesus did not say that. "Do not sin" Means exactly that.

Anyways, I say this with love according to the truth of God's Word.

May you please be well.
And may God bless you.

Sincerely,

~ Jason.
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Jason, Why don't you accept the fact like I told Jeff56 that 1John 2:1 was written to Christians so why would he tell them not to sin but if they do sin they have an advocate with the Father in Jesus?

I really don't have anything else to say to you on the subject.
 
dcontroversal

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Jason0047 said:
No, most here have said they will always sin and that no one can stop sinining. That means sin controls them (i.e. they are a slave to sin).
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Another deception propagated by you to support your salvation lite heresy........You know My bible teaches me two things about your stance.....

1. You are deceived about yourself and your own sin
2. The truth is not in you

Only one man who was without sin and by your own words you don't know him.......!
 
Jason0047

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Chica said:
Jason, Why don't you accept the fact like I told Jeff56 that 1John 2:1 was written to Christians so why would he tell them not to sin but if they do sin they have an advocate with the Father in Jesus?

I really don't have anything else to say to you on the subject.
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Well, 1 John 2:1, is in context to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:7. 1 John 1:7 does not give the believer an allowance to continue to walk in darkness on occasion. 1 John 1:9 is to get your heart right with God and 1 John 1:7 is the walk after that. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Why don't you accept verses that tells us that we can be perfect and that we can cease from sin?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Another deception propagated by you to support your salvation lite heresy........You know My bible teaches me two things about your stance.....

1. You are deceived about yourself and your own sin
2. The truth is not in you

Only one man who was without sin and by your own words you don't know him.......!
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All hands on deck! Jason's death ship has run aground and is taking on water! I guess that's what happens when the theological waters you are sailing in are only an inch deep.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Well, 1 John 2:1, is in context to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:7. 1 John 1:7 does not give the believer an allowance to continue to walk in darkness on occasion. 1 John 1:9 is to get your heart right with God and 1 John 1:7 is the walk after that. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Why don't you accept verses that tells us that we can be perfect and that we can cease from sin?
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Why don't you just admit that no one is saying that we should or could walk in a lifestyle of continual sin, but simply that every one occasionally fails and sins.....why is it so hard for you to acknowledge the truth....simple...because you salvation lite gospel, which is a works based heresy cannot receive it...you have to admit you are wrong and MANY if not MOST on this site have seen right through your fallacies when it comes to the word and your inability to admit that you are wrong!.........
 
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All hands on deck! Jason's death ship has run aground and is taking on water! I guess that's what happens when the theological waters you are sailing in are only an inch deep.
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HAH that ship never even sailed and is still in the dry docks of error!
 
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Lol...let me sit and listen to a man that claims he is perfect..is like Geraldo...when he dug the Al Capone vault on TV, for two hours... to show America a Pepsi bottle! Lol...a total waste of our time!
 
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I am not claiming to be perfect. I am claiming that the Bible says that believers can be perfect and that they can cease from sin. It's what the Bible plainly says. Do a Blue Letter Bible search on the words: "perfect", "cease sin" and "ceased sin."
 
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dcontroversal

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Jason0047 said:
I am not claiming to be perfect. I am claiming that the Bible says that believers can be perfect and that they can cease from sin. It's what the Bible plainly says. Do a Blue Letter Bible search on the words: "perfect", "cease sin" and "ceased sin."
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How about study the meaning of the word perfect as it does not mean perfect, but rather complete........and the cease from sin and ceased from sin is applicable to particular sins that each believer struggles with......NO one is SIN free and that is exactly why JOHN writes that if we say that we have NO SIN we are DECIEVED and the truth is NOT IN US.......

The truth is simple......YOU cannot admit that YOU fail and sin occasionally because if you do it undermines the house of cards theology that you have built based upon a rejection of the word..........rather simple at the end of the day.....and if your house of cards theology comes crashing down your salvation LITE false doctrine comes apart at the seams as it is built upon the false premise that one can completely be sin free!
 
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All hands on deck! Jason's death ship has run aground and is taking on water! I guess that's what happens when the theological waters you are sailing in are only an inch deep.
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I was watching from my canoe...terrible scene
 
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Jason0047 said:
I am not claiming to be perfect. I am claiming that the Bible says that believers can be perfect and that they can cease from sin. It's what the Bible plainly says. Do a Blue Letter Bible search on the words: "perfect", "cease sin" and "ceased sin."
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According to your definition of perfect one must be sinless to be perfect yet you say you are not perfect therefore you are saying you are not sinless.
What is it Jason? DO you sin or are you perfect? It must be one or the other.
 
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I'm wondering if Jason has specifically confessed for every sin he's ever committed. You better dig deep buddy....hell is nipping at your heals.
 
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3Scoreand10 said:
According to your definition of perfect one must be sinless to be perfect yet you say you are not perfect therefore you are saying you are not sinless.
What is it Jason? DO you sin or are you perfect? It must be one or the other.
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No doubt........he also says that those who sin are lost and going to burn........so if he is not perfect then he must sin and if he sins then he is lost according to his salvation lite doctrine.....

Thank God for eternal life, justification, salvation and sanctification in Christ Jesus and the hope that comes with it......imagine all your life living in fear of sinning once and being lost or having a particular sin that you struggle with and being lost..........no hope in that ship whatsoever at all!
 
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dcontroversal said:
How about study the meaning of the word perfect as it does not mean perfect, but rather complete........and the cease from sin and ceased from sin is applicable to particular sins that each believer struggles with......NO one is SIN free and that is exactly why JOHN writes that if we say that we have NO SIN we are DECIEVED and the truth is NOT IN US.......

The truth is simple......YOU cannot admit that YOU fail and sin occasionally because if you do it undermines the house of cards theology that you have built based upon a rejection of the word..........rather simple at the end of the day.....and if your house of cards theology comes crashing down your salvation LITE false doctrine comes apart at the seams as it is built upon the false premise that one can completely be sin free!
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Good stuff.

Perfect~~spiritually mature or complete.

If I may suggest, Start going to the feet washing in the upper room discourse. It is a symbol of the believer needing to......you guessed it, rebound or being washed from the sin that we commit while in this world. Peter asks the Lord to wash His whole body, but the Lord says one who is clean only needs to wash his feet. 1 John 1:9.

If Peter was sinless, The Lord wouldn't of had to wash his feet.

Washing our feet is analogous to naming and siting our known sins to God.1 John 1:9

What people often overlook in 1 John 1:9, is the fact that he forgives us of all of our known sins(what we site to Him) AND all of our unknown sins.......He forgives us of our sins(known) and cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness(our unknown sins.)

This is why sinless perfection is heresy. We are so corrupted by sin, that we really don't know how much sin we truly have.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Good stuff.

Perfect~~spiritually mature or complete.

If I may suggest, Start going to the feet washing in the upper room discourse. It is a symbol of the believer needing to......you guessed it, rebound or being washed from the sin that we commit while in this world. Peter asks the Lord to wash His whole body, but the Lord says one who is clean only needs to wash his feet. 1 John 1:9.

If Peter was sinless, The Lord wouldn't of had to wash his feet.

Washing our feet is analogous to naming and siting our known sins to God.1 John 1:9

What people often overlook in 1 John 1:9, is the fact that he forgives us of all of our known sins(what we site to Him) AND all of our unknown sins.......He forgives us of our sins(known) and cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness(our unknown sins.)

This is why sinless perfection is heresy. We are so corrupted by sin, that we really don't know how much sin we truly have.
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Amen to that and a very good point for sure.........more biblical proof that often gets overlooked by those who erroneously preach sinless perfection in the flesh....!
 
Jason0047

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dcontroversal said:
How about study the meaning of the word perfect as it does not mean perfect, but rather complete........and the cease from sin and ceased from sin is applicable to particular sins that each believer struggles with......NO one is SIN free and that is exactly why JOHN writes that if we say that we have NO SIN we are DECIEVED and the truth is NOT IN US.......

The truth is simple......YOU cannot admit that YOU fail and sin occasionally because if you do it undermines the house of cards theology that you have built based upon a rejection of the word..........rather simple at the end of the day.....and if your house of cards theology comes crashing down your salvation LITE false doctrine comes apart at the seams as it is built upon the false premise that one can completely be sin free!
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Well, you might be able to change the word but you can't change the context. Jesus said be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. So.... if you don't believe the word "perfect" is "perfect" then you are saying the Father is not "perfect"? If that is the case, then that is not right at all. The Father is perfect. He is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Well, you might be able to change the word but you can't change the context. Jesus said be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. So.... if you don't believe the word "perfect" is "perfect" then you are saying the Father is not "perfect"? If that is the case, then that is not right at all. The Father is perfect. He is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin.
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round round round round round round round

so simple really. those who won't repent, are never perfect. not even forgiven.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Well, you might be able to change the word but you can't change the context. Jesus said be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. So.... if you don't believe the word "perfect" is "perfect" then you are saying the Father is not "perfect"? If that is the case, then that is not right at all. The Father is perfect. He is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin.
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Good luck with that....being perfect. When you stand before Jesus and realize you never lived up to the standards you held others to it will be a sad day.
 
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