Baptismal Regeneration of Infants
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You see Sarah, most folks of our day are caught up with rationalism. What cannot be understood by "reason" cannot be believed. For these people, faith equals intellectual consent. Having to be articulated in a certain way that they deem rational. It's quite far from the biblical records of how God worked in His creation.
In communion the emblems of Christ's body and blood are presented unto us, No! screams the rationalists, it is symbolic! We aren't cannibals! In baptism the believing parents of a child carry it to the priest or minister to receive baptism, and take upon themselves to instruct that blessed child to walk the way of God. No! screams the rationalists, the child cannot believe! It doesn't even know left from right! It has to make a decision first! Regarding confession and absolution the rationalists scream No! Only God can forgive sins! (Sounds familiar, eh?).
Thus the rationalists condemn the sacraments as "invalid". In unbelief.
In communion the emblems of Christ's body and blood are presented unto us, No! screams the rationalists, it is symbolic! We aren't cannibals! In baptism the believing parents of a child carry it to the priest or minister to receive baptism, and take upon themselves to instruct that blessed child to walk the way of God. No! screams the rationalists, the child cannot believe! It doesn't even know left from right! It has to make a decision first! Regarding confession and absolution the rationalists scream No! Only God can forgive sins! (Sounds familiar, eh?).
Thus the rationalists condemn the sacraments as "invalid". In unbelief.
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better yet, show us where it does say that...
scripture records that he leaped in his mother's womb as so:
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Luke 1:41
Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit...not John in the womb
the Bible makes no case for infant baptism...yet you are here trying to make a case about an infant believing...NONE of which is in the Bible....
scripture records that he leaped in his mother's womb as so:
And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: Luke 1:41
Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit...not John in the womb
the Bible makes no case for infant baptism...yet you are here trying to make a case about an infant believing...NONE of which is in the Bible....
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12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16 Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
uh huh...great scripture but makes no case for your persuasion or Catholic beliefs regarding the op
13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16 Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
uh huh...great scripture but makes no case for your persuasion or Catholic beliefs regarding the op
This could be a lengthy one beloved, I will just make some shorter inputs.
There are some writings of Calvin who would rather affirm baptismal regeneration then outright deny it...so his take was not totally unequivocal. Personally I believe that he saw the problem of risking falling into the romanist trap of ex opere operato and had to make a distance to same in his position to avoid risking ending up there.
Did all circumcised infants receive regeneration?
Lutheranism is clear on that baptism without faith avails nothing. It is for believers, it is for the Elect and their children. At the end of the day lutheranism and (covenantal) calvinism are not very far from each other on this issue.
There are some writings of Calvin who would rather affirm baptismal regeneration then outright deny it...so his take was not totally unequivocal. Personally I believe that he saw the problem of risking falling into the romanist trap of ex opere operato and had to make a distance to same in his position to avoid risking ending up there.
Did all circumcised infants receive regeneration?
Lutheranism is clear on that baptism without faith avails nothing. It is for believers, it is for the Elect and their children. At the end of the day lutheranism and (covenantal) calvinism are not very far from each other on this issue.
When Jesus took the infants up in His arms He blessed them Jesus did not baptize them. Jesus issued an exhortation to the parents to raise them for Gods glory and not to rob them of their opportunity to believe in God because of the lack of faith in their parents.
Water baptism is never a saving agent in scripture. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens the soul.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Water baptism is never a saving agent in scripture. It is the Holy Spirit that quickens the soul.
For the cause of Christ
Roger