Which laws are and are not valid?

[just-me]

Baloney. . .nothing is impossible with God.

First of all, the first covenant is the Abrahamic covenant, which is fulfilled in the new covenant.
The Mosaic (old) covenant was a temporary addition (Gal 3:19) to the Abrahamic covenant of
Promise (Christ), given to reveal sin and its penalty, as well as the holiness of God.


God gave the Mosaic covenant to reveal sin and its penalty, not to give eternal life.

If he gave it for eternal life, then he made a false offer, because it is impossible for man to
obtain eternal life through the righteousness of law keeping (Gal 3:10), and that for two reasons:
righteousness is only by faith (Ge 15:6), and
it is impossible for man to keep the law perfectly (Gal 3:10).


Yes, long life was one of the physical blessings of obedience.


Nope. . .the Greek word is kainos (new), meaning newly made, of different nature,

the Greek word is not neos (new), meaning reproduction of the old in quality and character,

nor is it anakainoo (renewed).

The new covenant is the fulfillment of the first covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant of Promise (Christ).

Do you ever stop mish-mashing God's word written?


The law written on our hearts is the new covenant (Lk 22:20) law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40), which fulfills everything.


The definition of "old" (gerasko) is given in the verse--"to decay and wax old."

It has been done (past tense).


Nope. . .Heb 8:13 teaches that the Mosaic (Old) Covenant is obsolete, having been made so when
God changed the priesthood on which the law was based (Heb 7:11),
because the covenant was based on the law,
which law was based on the priesthood (Heb 7:11),
which priesthood was changed (Heb 7:12),
setting aside the Levitical priesthood, and establishing a new eternal priesthood (Heb 7:17, 21).


According to the NT word of God, we are simply called to obey the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40).

Answer this. Why would God have engineered something by His everlasting word just to make Himself out to be a liar by changing something that He said was everlasting? Can you not understand that the priesthood only has been changed? Why do you want to throw away what is our heart motivated obligation of reciprocating love?

 

[just-me]

Fact! God is not indifferent to His only begotten Son. Neither is Jesus indifferent or rebellious against His own Father.

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1:17

If a person cannot accept this, they are none of His.

 

[just-me]

Nopey. I regret that this is the word of Elin !


What Y'shua is reported to have said is crystal clear.

" whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven"

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."


All the rest, however well-intended, is twisting things to suit what we would like Him to have said.

It is truly amazing to me that a person such as yourself that claims not to be a Christian, knows (in this case) the Bible better than those that profess Christianity. You're no sad, but the situation sure is. I hope that someday you will accept what has been revealed to you as truth. You know the truth as it seems, it's just a matter of taking it to heart.

 

[Pumicestone]

Nope. . .the Greek word is kainos (new), meaning newly made, of different nature,

the Greek word is not neos (new), meaning reproduction of the old in quality and character,

nor is it anakainoo (renewed).

The definition of "old" (gerasko) is given in the verse--"to decay and wax old."

What Y'shua is reported to have said is crystal clear.
" whoever sets aside one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom from heaven"
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
" For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

But Erin reckons we all have to become students of Greek in order to find some secret meaning behind what was clearly stated.

 

[Elin]

Everything you have passed on as scriptural is cultist dogma.

I suspect not many are surprised that you think the NT word of God is cultist dogma because it gives the lie to your cultist dogma.

Not to mention: assertion without demonstration is without merit.

You say the sheep are now the boad of Christ, true, but
you are neglecting the fact that Jesus Christ walked the earth as a Jew, and lived as teh ranslation of Judah, as do all who believe.

Are you neglecting the fact that the NT word of God reveals that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek
(Gal 3:28)? . . .I think you are.

So. . .who we gonna' believe. . .the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers. . .or your "cultist dogma"?

It seems when anyone, when I, forward teh teachings of Jesus Christ, some come along using texts from letters of Paul to refute the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I'll raise you one better. . .it is that every time you present half-backed NT doctrine in the name of Jesus Christ, it is addressed with the complete revelation of the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

Do not pit Paul against Jesus, for paul, himself, teaches against this practice. We belong to Jesus. He is the teacher, and all who hear Him, obey Him.

Physician, heal thyself.

As for the law of Christ, I only know that he gave a new law to His disciples, and to us, and that is that we love each other. You see previous to His arrival, there was no Body of Christ to address. All who believe HIm are now members of His Body,.

The believing people of God have always been the body of Christ.
That is made known in the NT word of God.

If peoñle have a burning passion to believe Paul in perverting his intent, then may the burn in their passion. The aim of all who are saved by the blessed Blood of the Lamb of God will always learn of God, for we are invited to do such.

And we have true knowledge of God only through all the words spoken by that blessed Lamb, the Son,
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

No other man ever incarnated has ever known the Word perfectly other than the Word, Himsalef.
Paul was learned, but just as all present, he was not perfect in knowledge of the Word.

And there we have your cultist dogma--you know more than Paul . . .based on nothing but the speculation of your unbelief in all of God's NT word written.

You have no Biblical basis for such nonsense.

God teachees each member of the Body of Jesus by His own Holy Spirit.

Almost. . .but not complete, as usual. . .let me fix it for you.
God teaches each member of the Body of Jesus by his own Holy Spirit through the NT word of God written. . .all of it.

Sometimes He uses His children to teach other children, but no flesh is to be trusted. We trust God, and Jesus Christ is God.

And he always uses the NT-word-of-God-without-contradiction to teach by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Elin]

If you are saying love obeys the law, then I am completely in accord with you,. I have studied the law, and the law has been my turot, but the laws on fulfilling the laws of love are constandtly reminding me of good conduct. No one will ever be prfected before God's time, on His Great Day, but
everyone who loves Jesus Christ is obedient to His will. Jesus is God, amen.

Agreed. . .and that will is revealed in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

 

[oldthennew]

HEBREWS 5:12.
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again
which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

 

[just-me]

I suspect not many are surprised that you think the NT word of God is cultist dogma because it gives the lie to your cultist dogma.

Not to mention: assertion without demonstration is without merit.


Are you neglecting the fact that the NT word of God reveals that in Christ there is no Jew nor Greek
(Gal 3:28)? . . .I think you are.

So. . .who we gonna' believe. . .the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers. . .or your "cultist dogma"?


I'll raise you one better. . .it is that every time you present half-backed NT doctrine in the name of Jesus Christ, it is addressed with the complete revelation of the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.


Physician, heal thyself.


The believing people of God have always been the body of Christ.
That is made known in the NT word of God.


And we have true knowledge of God only through all the words spoken by that blessed Lamb, the Son,
in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.


And there we have your cultist dogma--you know more than Paul . . .based on nothing but the speculation of your unbelief in all of God's NT word written.

You have no Biblical basis for such nonsense.


Almost. . .but not complete, as usual. . .let me fix it for you.
God teaches each member of the Body of Jesus by his own Holy Spirit through the NT word of God written. . .all of it.


And he always uses the NT-word-of-God-without-contradiction to teach by the Holy Spirit.

The reason that this world is in such a chaotic mess is that many professing Christians have been sucked into the false doctrine that you are propagating. If the law is for the lawless and the Babylon whore propagates that the law is gone through Christ, then the lawless will dominate. It's in our face. How can we turn a blind eye to that! Where is the mind of Christ that is supposed to be in God's children!?

 

[Elin]

Jesus taught that the law would not pass away until it was fulfilled, which he has done
and, therefore, replaced it with the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; 1Co 9:20-21).

Believe the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers,
they do not lie.

The least are fulfilled in observing the law of Christ (Mt 22:40).

Not to worry. . .so relax. . .in the freedom of Christ.
You are free from the yoke of slavery/bondage (Gal 5:1).

Please study more what Jesus teaches. He did not teach the law was to be abolished. He has shown by HJis example and teaching just how the law is to be dealt with lawfully, with mercy and grace.

What Jesus teaches is found in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, where Jesus teaches that the law is fulfilled in observing his own law
(Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8).

Please study more the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

 

[Elin]

You are correct in that the law is written on our hearts as we believe in the truth found in Christ.
The words haven't change however.

Evidently, you don't know the new covenant (Lk 22:20) law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40), which is God's law (1Co 9:21).

 

[Elin]

The original heaven and earth are still in existence. Don't bypass that logic.

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:18

And till heaven and earth pass, the law has not passed away without all being fulfilled.

All has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
there is nothing more for it to accomplish,
therefore, it is passed away and
we are given a new law in Jesus Christ (Mt 22:37-40) written in our minds and on our hearts.

The old covenant for which the law was given is obsolete (Heb 8:13),
and Christ has given a new law (Mt 22:37-40) for the new covenant (Lk 22:20) people of God.

 

[just-me]

What Jesus teaches is found in the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2)
through the NT writers, where Jesus teaches that the law is fulfilled in observing his own law
(Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Gal 6:2; Jas 2:8).

Please study more the words spoken by the Son in these last days (Heb 1:1-2) through the NT writers.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

There is nothing in that scripture that says Jesus negated anything His father endorsed form the beginning. What I think you need to come to grips with is that Jesus is the creator of all things.

"And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossinas 1:17

"All" includes the instructions given to Israel at mount Sinai. Is the New Testament via our Savior an annihilator of what our Savior created? There is a change in the priesthood, but that's all. "A" change means only "one" change.

Hebrews 7:12-14
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity "a" change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

What you are propagating is that you want everyone to accept that.................
because the priesthood is changed, there is made of necessity to change the entire law to make it void for all believers because of the change.

 

[just-me]

Evidently, you don't know the new covenant (Lk 22:20) law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40), which is God's law (1Co 9:21).

If they are the same why try to teach a difference? The words of God's law are defined in the Old Covenant. The contents are still good the container is obsolete.

 

[oldthennew]

ACTS 17:11.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

which scriptures were they searching?

 

[Elin]

And fulfill it he did. . .

both accomplishing its purpose and finishing it as the means of justification/righteousness (Ro 4:13-15),
fulfilling all of the law in the law of Christ (Mt 22:40; Gal 6:2) which is the law of God (1Co 9:21),
changing the priesthood and, therefore, the law which was based on the priesthood (Heb 7:11-12),
thereby making obsolete the old covenant which was based on the law (Heb 8:13), which was
set aside because it was weak and useless (unprofitable) to make perfect (Heb 7:18-19),
abolishing it in Christ's flesh on the cross as that which caused the enmity between Jew and Gentile,
thereby reconciling them to each other, as well as both of them to God (Eph 2:13-16), and
replacing it with his new covenant (Lk 22:20) law (Mt 22:37-40) written on the minds and in the hearts
of his people (Jer 31:33) rather than on tablets of stone.

All of God's law is now contained in the law of Christ (Mt 22:37-40; Ro 13: 8, 9, 10; Jas 2:8;
1Co 9:20-21; Gal 6:2).
We are now sanctified by the Holy Spirit through the obedience of faith to Christ's law.

This is the word of God.

Nopey. I regret that this is the word of Elin!

Assertion without demonstration is without merit.

 

[just-me]

And till heaven and earth pass, the law has not passed away without all being fulfilled.

All has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ,
there is nothing more for it to accomplish,
therefore, it is passed away and
we are given a new law in Jesus Christ (Mt 22:37-40) written in our minds and on our hearts.

The old covenant for which the law was given is obsolete (Heb 8:13),
and Christ has given a new law (Mt 22:37-40) for the new covenant (Lk 22:20) people of God.

Do you have any idea of what Jesus actuality fulfilled. Does that word fulfilled mean to make void or to negate in your opinion? To me "fulfilled" means to complete, not to throw it away.

Fulfilled means satisfied or happy because of fully completing one's engineered plan or character. Biblically this incorporates both in Christ. Stop using Jesus as an excuse to annihilate certain parts of God's word.

 

[just-me]

ACTS 17:11.
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

which scriptures were they searching?

Answer this question Elin.

 

[oldthennew]

11TIMOTHY 3:16.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

which scripture is Timothy speaking of and which scripture is excluded?

 

[Elin]

Many are caught up with cultist dogma of mankind,

Does that include your unbelieving cultist dogma that "Paul was not perfect in the knowledge of the Word"?

 

[Elin]

It's so nice to see God fearing people such as yourself abide by this exhortation.

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 1:3

Thanks. . .for the pious compliment.