Which laws are and are not valid?
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Do you not understand the law was based on the priesthood, and that
with no Levitical priesthood there can be no law (Heb 7:18-19)?
Do you not understand that with no law, there can be no Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13)?
Do you not understand these were temporary until the time of the new order (Heb 9:10),
that the old wine has been replaced with the new wine of the new order, which cannot be
contained in the old wineskins of the old order?
with no Levitical priesthood there can be no law (Heb 7:18-19)?
Do you not understand that with no law, there can be no Mosaic covenant (Heb 8:13)?
Do you not understand these were temporary until the time of the new order (Heb 9:10),
that the old wine has been replaced with the new wine of the new order, which cannot be
contained in the old wineskins of the old order?
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Exodus chapters 20 through 23 have nothing to do with the priesthood of Aaron.
The covenant with Israel didn't negate God's word to Israel because the flesh was weak. Your focus on God's word is clearly comparing it with the canal mind. God is not a fault. He never was.
You present half truth which is no truth. The adversary does that. I would hope that you understand this.
It would do you well to understand that the words of God are not made void because of Israel's non adherence to the instructions. God's instructions are for His Children then and now.
It isn't the contents (wine) that has been replaced, it's the container that held the wine that has been replaced by the new container of the wine both old and new which are the words of God. The adversary desires us to visualize God's divinity in generalities. One doesn't throw away the wine just because there is a new batch made that has a sweeter ingredient.
"And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new." Leviticus 26:10
"Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old." Matthew 13:52
The covenant with Israel didn't negate God's word to Israel because the flesh was weak. Your focus on God's word is clearly comparing it with the canal mind. God is not a fault. He never was.
You present half truth which is no truth. The adversary does that. I would hope that you understand this.
It would do you well to understand that the words of God are not made void because of Israel's non adherence to the instructions. God's instructions are for His Children then and now.
It isn't the contents (wine) that has been replaced, it's the container that held the wine that has been replaced by the new container of the wine both old and new which are the words of God. The adversary desires us to visualize God's divinity in generalities. One doesn't throw away the wine just because there is a new batch made that has a sweeter ingredient.
"And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new." Leviticus 26:10
"Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old." Matthew 13:52
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Again such as another post you addressed. This post you quote is not to you. But if it "explains a lot" please go into detail why a non Christian, as he is, don't want to believe the way they visualize Christians as he made clear several days ago. Could it be because he has seen to much distortion of the truth?
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Agreed. . .the word of God does not contradict itself.
Those who see it as contradictory reveal their lack of understanding of it.
I didn't write Heb 7:11-12.
It's really quite simple. . .the law was based on the priesthood (Heb 7:11-12). . .
no priesthood means no law.
That's why the Mosaic covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13),
because it was based on the law,
which was based on the priesthood
which was changed.
No priesthood = no law = no Mosaic covenant.
The law given to the people (Heb 7:11) has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
and the Mosaic covenant made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Hey, I didn't author the NT word of God. . .take it up with him.
Don't blame your ignorance on me.
Those who see it as contradictory reveal their lack of understanding of it.
I didn't write Heb 7:11-12.
It's really quite simple. . .the law was based on the priesthood (Heb 7:11-12). . .
no priesthood means no law.
That's why the Mosaic covenant is obsolete (Heb 8:13),
because it was based on the law,
which was based on the priesthood
which was changed.
No priesthood = no law = no Mosaic covenant.
The law given to the people (Heb 7:11) has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
and the Mosaic covenant made obsolete (Heb 8:13).
Hey, I didn't author the NT word of God. . .take it up with him.
Don't blame your ignorance on me.
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Are you talking about the God of the Old Covenant?
Assertion is a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
Demonstration is the act or circumstance of proving or being proved conclusively, as by reasoning or a show of evidence:
Merit means to deserve or be worthy.
So the fact presented about the word of God as everlasting are assertions that show no evidence of demonstration meaning that God is unworthy because His word in the old covenant is without merit? How sad!!
Assertion is a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief.
Demonstration is the act or circumstance of proving or being proved conclusively, as by reasoning or a show of evidence:
Merit means to deserve or be worthy.
So the fact presented about the word of God as everlasting are assertions that show no evidence of demonstration meaning that God is unworthy because His word in the old covenant is without merit? How sad!!
First of all, Timothy didn't say it.
Secondly, we see that the NT writings were regarded as Scripture, when
Peter groups Paul's writings with "the other Scriptures" (2Pe 3:16) and
Paul refers to Luke' writing (Lk 10:7) as Scripture (1Tim 5:18).
Thirdly, none of the word of God in either testament is excluded,
nor does any of it contradict itself, because God does not contradict himself.
It is all in perfect harmony as stated and correctly understood.
Any supposed contradictions reveal one's misunderstanding of it.
Secondly, we see that the NT writings were regarded as Scripture, when
Peter groups Paul's writings with "the other Scriptures" (2Pe 3:16) and
Paul refers to Luke' writing (Lk 10:7) as Scripture (1Tim 5:18).
Thirdly, none of the word of God in either testament is excluded,
nor does any of it contradict itself, because God does not contradict himself.
It is all in perfect harmony as stated and correctly understood.
Any supposed contradictions reveal one's misunderstanding of it.
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I had this same question. It started about middle last year. Well, just to give some background, my newly wed husband is a youth pastor, so I am surrounded and bombarded with many doctrines in the church surroundings. I was truly called by God at 16 to go into full-time ministry. I was never in a specific church, but involved in several ministries until I got married. Well, things started to get blurry in the church surroundings, sometimes religion can be so powerful that it completely counterfeits and overrides true relationship... it completely killed me to the point where I wanted to leave Christianity altogether, though my love for Christ kept me going in this chaos, and thats where my struggle started. Who's right, those into Hebrew roots (the ones believing in the law and the feasts etc.) or those fully believing in grace or those who believe in righteous living and repentance... Well, I was sort of involved in all since I have built relationships with people in church with either one of these as their fundamental teaching. I tried to make sense of everything, but God to me to the point where I hated everything about religion, meaning those prescribed ways of relationship with Him, like how you should or shouldn't worship to 'look' holy, how many times and how long I should pray a day, how many chapters must I read daily to be fresh in scripture knowledge and afterall experience the 'anointing'. Well this all faded drastically in one encounter with Him. He showed me that people kill relationship through rules and regulations, THATS why Jesus came, so that we don't have to worry about that anymore but can focus merely on loving Him and being in relationship with Him. No I am not talking about, having knowledge about him and then believing, that falls a little short of what He had in mind. He wants your heart, ALL of it ultimately. I got to know Him in ways I cannot even describe, I totally feel fulfilled for the first time in my life, and FREE, just like He said, if the SON sets you free you are free indeed. THATS sooo true. I love Him more than ever, but I terminated ALL my taught knowledge and just went to Him empty minded, so that I do not have preconceived thoughts about Him. Those stuff blocks your spirit from truly knowing Him. And religion is the worst. He made you unique!! Be unique for Him, He loves that about you!! He made you the way you are because He wanter you that way... He enjoys your uniqueness and personality. So don't follow the flow, just give Him who you are, and trust the fact that thats enough for Him, because He simply just loves you for WHO YOU ARE. Agreed. . .that would be Heb 7:11.
Agreed. . .the Mosaic Covenant is made obsolete because the word of God says that it is (Heb 8:13).
Agreed. . .
Agreed. . .
Your issue of unbelief is with Heb 8:13, not with me.
That's above my pay grade.
Like the wine at the wedding feast in Cana, the new and better new covenant wine was served after the older old covenant wine.
Agreed. . .the Mosaic Covenant is made obsolete because the word of God says that it is (Heb 8:13).
Agreed. . .
Agreed. . .
Your issue of unbelief is with Heb 8:13, not with me.
That's above my pay grade.
Like the wine at the wedding feast in Cana, the new and better new covenant wine was served after the older old covenant wine.
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Then why do you endorse that it does, or that some of God's word is extinct because of a new covenant?
How in the world to you come to that conclusion? The priesthood, whether in Christ of the New Covenant, or the Levities of the Old Covenant was endorsed by God. The law wasn't endorsed by the priesthood. That's like saying the Priesthood have power over the Almighty God.
The contents of the covenant is the word of God. The law came from God, not the priesthood of Aaron or the Levite named Moses. You're trying to explain that when the Aaronic priesthood vanished (because the law was instigated by Aaron) that it all went away, and God is excluded. Come on!
As we have discussed before, Hebrews 8:13 is the old man, with the physical priesthood by comparison. Stop endorsing that God's word of the Old Covenant is vanishing away when it is clear that Jesus came to change us, and the believers old carnal nature is in the process of vanishing away. The Aaronic priesthood represents the carnal, the Messiah priesthood is the spiritual in Jesus our Savior. That doesn't negate the law of the Old Covenant. Don't throw away God's word that it contains, just get rid of the container.
Do you actually want these laws to be abolished? Did Jesus Himself do away with these? Good grief gal! Think about what you are trying to teach.
"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." Leviticus 19:18
Read the previous 17 verses and learn how to do this. It has nothing to do with the Aaronic priesthood.
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deuteronomy 6:5
Read and understand the previous 4 verses, and it will instruct you where to find the details on how to do that. This is what hangs on the law of love. There can be nothing hanging on this if has vanished away.
"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:40
How in the world to you come to that conclusion? The priesthood, whether in Christ of the New Covenant, or the Levities of the Old Covenant was endorsed by God. The law wasn't endorsed by the priesthood. That's like saying the Priesthood have power over the Almighty God.
The contents of the covenant is the word of God. The law came from God, not the priesthood of Aaron or the Levite named Moses. You're trying to explain that when the Aaronic priesthood vanished (because the law was instigated by Aaron) that it all went away, and God is excluded. Come on!
As we have discussed before, Hebrews 8:13 is the old man, with the physical priesthood by comparison. Stop endorsing that God's word of the Old Covenant is vanishing away when it is clear that Jesus came to change us, and the believers old carnal nature is in the process of vanishing away. The Aaronic priesthood represents the carnal, the Messiah priesthood is the spiritual in Jesus our Savior. That doesn't negate the law of the Old Covenant. Don't throw away God's word that it contains, just get rid of the container.
Do you actually want these laws to be abolished? Did Jesus Himself do away with these? Good grief gal! Think about what you are trying to teach.
"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord." Leviticus 19:18
Read the previous 17 verses and learn how to do this. It has nothing to do with the Aaronic priesthood.
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Deuteronomy 6:5
Read and understand the previous 4 verses, and it will instruct you where to find the details on how to do that. This is what hangs on the law of love. There can be nothing hanging on this if has vanished away.
"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:40