Abide in Christ, or in sin

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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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InSpiritInTruth said:
And just for the record all the words above, even the bold type are all D-cons, not my accusatory lie as he plainly misrepresents. :)
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Here is the rest of my post which you failed to add or purposely cut out......

Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth

They want to hear feel good preachers who tell them they can sin all they want and still be "IN CHRIST" WHICH IS A LIE.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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InSpiritInTruth said:
He is trying to misrepresent my words by posting his response first, before my words in order to deceive. But you posted the context of my statement for all to see, God bless you for standing up for the Truth. :)
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Another false accusation that assumes MOTIVE (in order to deceive).....man you take the cake....not only do you accuse, but now you also assume MOTIVE....more sin from the non sinner....as well as those you join you hand in hand...good luck with that!
 
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DesiredHaven

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dcontroversal said:
He reaps what he sows.......go read all his threads as he constantly makes mouthy remarks and then tries to cover his mouthy responses with a smiley face.......so...look whatever....he falsely accused period.....!
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We all reap what we sow.

I read all of his posts.

The slander against him on that thread is nothing I have witnessed on any christian forum and I am the one who openly stated that this place was better then any place on the internet more then a few times.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Another false accusation that assumes MOTIVE (in order to deceive).....man you take the cake....not only do you accuse, but now you also assume MOTIVE....more sin from the non sinner....as well as those you join you hand in hand...good luck with that!
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They can even judge who is or is not saved....merely by the agreement or lack thereof with them. This is the thing Jim jones's are made of.
 
dcontroversal

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DesiredHaven said:
We all reap what we sow.

I read all of his posts.

The slander against him on that thread is nothing I have witnessed on any christian forum and I am the one who openly stated that this place was better then any place on the internet more then a few times.
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I don't disagree that some of it went overboard......but I can tell you....he accuses, judges motive and is as guilty of it as most are....even posting pictures of cobras spitting venom is a stab and not biblical.....it seems that almost everyone at some time or another is guilty!
 
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dcontroversal

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Sirk said:
They can even judge who is or is not saved....merely by the agreement or lack thereof with them. This is the thing Jim jones's are made of.
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I agree....my problem is their holier than thou stance and claim to being sinless and all righteous yet they directly or indirectly judge motive, accuse, post pointed pictures or statements that indicate certain things and then act all holy and righteous like some type of martyr or something when in fact they have as much sin as anyone else!
 
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dcontroversal said:
I agree....my problem is their holier than thou stance and claim to being sinless and all righteous yet they directly or indirectly judge motive, accuse, post pointed pictures or statements that indicate certain things and then act all holy and righteous like some type of martyr or something when in fact they have as much sin as anyone else!
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I've not witnessed Christlike humility in any of them.
 
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DControversal wrote...This one set of verses found in Hebrews blows the whole premise out of the water that sin in a believer causes them to lose salvation which is tied directly to SONSHIP...............
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or....

This one torpedo found in Hebrews blows the whole SHIP out of the water that carries the flag 'sin in a believer causes them to lose salvation' which is tied directly to SONSHIP...............
 
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I've not witnessed Christlike humility in any of them.
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InSpiritInTruth said:
If you knew Him, you would know what I am saying is True. But God's Word does not abide in you, therefore you do not know "my Jesus". You have blasphemed the Jesus whom I know and serve, and have called both Him and me a liar, as have several others in this thread. This blasphemy against the Jesus I serve is the sin that shall not be forgiven, the sin my Lord said not to pray for, the sin that is unto death.

I am done with this thread, let all those who deny the words of God be accursed.
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There's your in Spirit and in truth.
 
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JesusIsAll said:
There's your in Spirit and in truth.
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In strictly psychological terms you would call it a "possessive attitude"....meaning, it's mine, I have and know the truth.

Lots of abusers have this and other "errors in thinking".
 
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dcontroversal said:
I don't disagree that some of it went overboard......but I can tell you....he accuses, judges motive and is as guilty of it as most are....even posting pictures of cobras spitting venom is a stab and not biblical.....it seems that almost everyone at some time or another is guilty!
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He can come off as having a tude, there is no one here that displays any lack of it, in fact the tude here is on steroids big time. What if you had 20 people jumping on you daily dc? Try being smacked around like Jason day in and day out, right or wrong whether I agree with him or not matters very little in all of this, look at the man you guys make him shine even brighter through your own behavior towards him . I even had to look up and take notice (and believe you me I didnt want to acknowledge that) lol how humbling, the guy I have on ignore? But what he shows forth in his behavior towards all the hate made everyone here look like reprobates. That might actually be how it works, the manifestation of children and who they belong to talk about manifestly declared wow. Kudos to the man. I was actually inspired I thought, he must actually be blessed, no wonder he returns for the abuse or something maybe he is in tune that this abuse is actually working for him, I have a feeling he actaully does.

Showed me one thing when you are persecuted in whatever form all affliction works for us.

And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings,
yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

Its a trial of it, you just dont really expect the help coming in from those who profess Christ

Strange how the manifestation of evil towards someone (and them not responding to it) just causes them to shine the brighter (in obedience to Christ)

And all the crying "falsehood" really doesnt get any airtime because now everyones looking the way of the persecutor as the emptiest barrel in the house making most the noise in the house with the rest of them.

Its probably not the effect those who dislike him desired but thats what I saw. Its like you gave your power away, and used it for evil rather then for good (to overcome evil with good). It just seems like you guys are giving everyone you disagree with your power, folks are looking at the poor guy being abused and see only abusers in the pack that goes after one guy. Singling out people as targets that way.

The one born of the Spirit gets the persecution not the flesh, its not set up that way, its not the one who lives ungodly either that gets the persecution either, and the dragon has his eye on the same.

I would just stop and think, what (or whose side) but it will always be the right side. I know.
 
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Sirk said:
In strictly psychological terms you would call it a "possessive attitude"....meaning, it's mine, I have and know the truth.

Lots of abusers have this and other "errors in thinking".
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These with narcissistic personality disorders, it's always about self promotion and trying to control others. Ironically, it's rooted in fear and low self esteem they refuse to come to terms with. Seriously, there's a lot of borderline mental illness on ChristianChat. Such disorders, of course, also manifest in delusions of grandeur and denial of their own sin.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
He can come off as having a tude, there is no one here that displays any lack of it, in fact the tude here is on steroids big time. What if you had 20 people jumping on you daily dc? Try being smacked around like Jason day in and day out, right or wrong whether I agree with him or not matters very little in all of this, look at the man you guys make him shine even brighter through your own behavior towards him . I even had to look up and take notice (and believe you me I didnt want to acknowledge that) lol how humbling, the guy I have on ignore? But what he shows forth in his behavior towards all the hate made everyone here look like reprobates. That might actually be how it works, the manifestation of children and who they belong to talk about manifestly declared wow. Kudos to the man. I was actually inspired I thought, he must actually be blessed, no wonder he returns for the abuse or something maybe he is in tune that this abude is actually working for him, I have a feeling he actaully does.

Showed me one thing when you are persecuted in whatever form all affliction works for us.

And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings,
yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

Its a trial of it, you just dont really expect the help coming in from those who profess Christ

Strange how the manifestation of evil towards someone (and them not responding to it) just causes them to shine the brighter (in obedience to Christ)

And all the crying "falsehood" really doesnt get any airtime because now everyones looking the way of the persecutor as the emptiest barrel in the house making most the noise in the house with the rest of them.

Its probably not the effect those who dislike him desired but thats what I saw. Its like you gave your power away, and used it for evil rather then for good (to overcome evil with good). It just seems like you guys are giving everyone you disagree with your power, folks are looking at the poor guy being abused and see only abusers in the pack that goes after one guy. Singling out people as targets that way.

The one born of the Spirit gets the persecution not the flesh, its not set up that way, its not the one who lives ungodly either that gets the persecution either, and the dragon has his eye on the same.

I would just stop and think, what (or whose side) but it will always be the right side. I know.
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Jason and others come here and claim to have no sin and possess the ultimate truth.....and then when people call them out on it they are the bad guy. Frankly, I love my friends all the more who root out the bad thinking and false attitudes in me. It's what the body of Christ is for. Not to elevate oneself as above everyone else. If you come here and do that its your own fault for being "persecuted" because you are positioning yourself outside and above the body of Christ.
 
blue_ladybug

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EVERYBODY SINS. Everybody in the whole entire world sins, both saved and unsaved. From the president, to the pope, down to the youngest child.. WE ALL SIN.. Anyone who says they don't is deluding themselves..
 
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blue_ladybug said:
EVERYBODY SINS. Everybody in the whole entire world sins, both saved and unsaved. From the president, to the pope, down to the youngest child.. WE ALL SIN.. Anyone who says they don't is deluding themselves..
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That's all I'm trying to say but it's as if I'm butchering their sacred cow.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
EVERYBODY SINS. Everybody in the whole entire world sins, both saved and unsaved. From the president, to the pope, down to the youngest child.. WE ALL SIN.. Anyone who says they don't is deluding themselves..
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......................................... sew? .................................... :)
 
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Sirk said:
Jason and others come here and claim to have no sin and possess the ultimate truth.....and then when people call them out on it they are the bad guy. Frankly, I love my friends all the more who root out the bad thinking and false attitudes in me. It's what the body of Christ is for. Not to elevate oneself as above everyone else. If you come here and do that its your own fault for being "persecuted" because you are positioning yourself outside and above the body of Christ.
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Have at it, you guys make him appear more like a follower of Christ in his obedience to the gospel not to return evil for evil and help in the demonstration of his patience and how he answers in kindness. The more you beat on the man the more he shines in obedience to Christ to lurkers watching (so kudos for him). My head will turn at the one getting persecuted always and question the one doing the persecuting (regardless).
 
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Sirk said:
That's all I'm trying to say but it's as if I'm butchering their sacred cow.
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no, that's not true and everyone knows it. you have made a lot of other false statements also, and they have been pointed out day by day.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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crossnote said:
or....

This one torpedo found in Hebrews blows the whole SHIP out of the water that carries the flag 'sin in a believer causes them to lose salvation' which is tied directly to SONSHIP...............
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I agree for sure......whipping only comes when disobedient and in sin...God does not whip someone who is not a son...pretty simple at the end of the day....Like the bible states..be not removed from the simplicity which is found in Christ!
 
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