Abide in Christ, or in sin

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SeaBass

SeaBass

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1 Jn 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

The Christian that continues to walk in the light (abides in Christ and His word) then the blood of Christ continues to wash away all sins. That continual cleansing is what makes the Christian 'holy and without blame', 'spotless', 'without wrinkle', 'perfect', Eph 1:4; 2 Pet 3:14; Eph 5:27; Matt 5:48.

Likewise,

Jn 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit."

Those Christians that abide in Christ need a continual purging/pruning/cleansing. That ongoing purging/cleansing is done in order to free the Christian from all his sins, imperfections making him holy, spotless, blameless.......fruit bearing.



So there is a continual cleansing away of sins, pruning, purging the Christian needs.
 
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DesiredHaven said:
Have at it, you guys make him appear more like a follower of Christ in his obedience to the gospel not to return evil for evil and help in the demonstration of his patience and how he answers in kindness. The more you beat on the man the more he shines in obedience to Christ to lurkers watching (so kudos for him). My head will turn at the one getting persecuted always and question the one doing the persecuting (regardless).
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Then you will be the one enabling people to wallow in their pit.
 
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Sirk

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Jeff_56 said:
no, that's not true and everyone knows it. you have made a lot of other false statements also, and they have been pointed out day by day.
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show me my false statements
 
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DesiredHaven

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Sirk said:
Then you will be the one enabling people to wallow in their pit.
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Im not the one beating on the man in Jesus name,

Do God your service if you feel its your calling, we will all walk in our designated paths
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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JesusIsAll said:
There's your in Spirit and in truth.
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Amen to that...can you imagine cursing men like that......that is not of God whatsoever at all......I believe the bible has much to say about blessing and cursing men at the same time....... SIN for sure!
 
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DesiredHaven said:
Im not the one beating on the man in Jesus name,

Do God your service if you feel its your calling, we will all walk in our designated paths
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Well....errors in thinking are my specialty as I've spent years studying my own and observing others who exhibit them.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Paul spoke of those who preached another gospel

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


 
notuptome

notuptome

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If you can't get it in the front door try the back door.

The matter of the dual nature of believers is difficult for many to comprehend. Saved the moment one trusts Christ yet still in the body of flesh and subject to its weaknesses. Saved today from the penalty and power of sin. Yet to be delivered from the very presence of sin.

We have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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DesiredHaven

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2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Theres cursed also when held true for the apostles they didnt hold back saying in a letter
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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DesiredHaven said:
He can come off as having a tude, there is no one here that displays any lack of it, in fact the tude here is on steroids big time. What if you had 20 people jumping on you daily dc? Try being smacked around like Jason day in and day out, right or wrong whether I agree with him or not matters very little in all of this, look at the man you guys make him shine even brighter through your own behavior towards him . I even had to look up and take notice (and believe you me I didnt want to acknowledge that) lol how humbling, the guy I have on ignore? But what he shows forth in his behavior towards all the hate made everyone here look like reprobates. That might actually be how it works, the manifestation of children and who they belong to talk about manifestly declared wow. Kudos to the man. I was actually inspired I thought, he must actually be blessed, no wonder he returns for the abuse or something maybe he is in tune that this abuse is actually working for him, I have a feeling he actaully does.

Showed me one thing when you are persecuted in whatever form all affliction works for us.

And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings,
yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

Its a trial of it, you just dont really expect the help coming in from those who profess Christ

Strange how the manifestation of evil towards someone (and them not responding to it) just causes them to shine the brighter (in obedience to Christ)

And all the crying "falsehood" really doesnt get any airtime because now everyones looking the way of the persecutor as the emptiest barrel in the house making most the noise in the house with the rest of them.

Its probably not the effect those who dislike him desired but thats what I saw. Its like you gave your power away, and used it for evil rather then for good (to overcome evil with good). It just seems like you guys are giving everyone you disagree with your power, folks are looking at the poor guy being abused and see only abusers in the pack that goes after one guy. Singling out people as targets that way.

The one born of the Spirit gets the persecution not the flesh, its not set up that way, its not the one who lives ungodly either that gets the persecution either, and the dragon has his eye on the same.

I would just stop and think, what (or whose side) but it will always be the right side. I know.
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Half of what you say would be correct if he was in deed a martyr for truth, There is a difference between standing for truth and being persecuted by lost worldly men as opposed to being a false teacher being hammered by the word and those who teach the truth.....You admitted that he comes off as having an ATTITUDE (its ok to spell the whole word)...I have numerous times engaged him without attitude with scripture over the last few months only to get some mouthy, accusatory comment with a smiley face attached.....I cannot speak for anyone else....if he can dish it out then he should be able to take a little heat back.....I have openly confessed that I occasionally get mouthy and have on a few occasions publically apologized for it and have yet to see one who teaches works for salvation apologize for being mouthy, contentious, accusatory all the while boasting of their sinless walk, self righteous stance and playing a persecuted martyr for the cause of Jesus.....and what is tragic is the fact that people who KNOW they have an attitude, can see they make mouthy comments, can see that they judge motive will jump on the band wagon and defend them like they are some Stephen being stoned to death by the Pharisees or something...............

And I have been on the receiving end when the workers for salvation self righteous ones like sharks have been circling, mouthing, accusing, arguing etc.......so....for the record....I have been there, done that and forgive, forget and keep coming back for what ever may come!
 
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JesusIsAll

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dcontroversal said:
Amen to that...can you imagine cursing men like that......that is not of God whatsoever at all......I believe the bible has much to say about blessing and cursing men at the same time....... SIN for sure!
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It's so indicative of a hateful rage you'll see of some narcissists. All that was said by somebody is that their claims make Jesus a liar, which is the truth, is a perfectly Biblical observation. You dispute the gospel of Jesus Christ, you are claiming He lied. There's no in-between.

But, anyway, the rage is symptomatic of psychosis, which often goes hand-in-hand with the delusions of grandeur and claims of being without sin. One thing certain types of narcissists can't tolerate is being exposed. They want to control. When they fail, they get angry, and part of that rage is an inability to accept they're not all they think they are, so they lash out at others. This stuff is all clinical borderline disorder. It's not a righteous indignation, but indignation over a breach in this false self image they've created.

Get a book or the like on borderline personality disorders, and it's all there. I'd highly recommend people, just in coping with life, get to know symptoms of various mental disorders, and also learn the false teachings of cults, so they may spot some things, off the bat. You'll spare a lot of trouble, when you know who you're dealing with and just consider the source. There are even borderline personality disorder reasons there are trolls, spoiling for a fight, over anything and everything.
 
Reborn

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DesiredHaven said:
Paul spoke of those who preached another gospel

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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DH.
Seriously.
You two and this verse.

You seem bright, but this just seems to skip over you time and time again.

The "right" Gospel?........what, YOUR truth? What YOU deem to be the proper teachings.....and anyone else needs to be ignored.
My biggest and only beef with you.

Sorry Sis, Throwing around that verse , especially in debate, to me, is the WORST AND MOST arrogant move by any Christian.
So am l correct?....and to make my case should l post that back?
I feel you and ISIT are pushing lies on salvation......so do you now fit in this?
 
dcontroversal

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DesiredHaven said:
Paul spoke of those who preached another gospel

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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exactly the gospel that workers for salvation teach! Saved by faith kept by the works of the flesh!
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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DesiredHaven said:
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls:
an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Theres cursed also when held true for the apostles they didnt hold back saying in a letter
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You two are not apostles and they were INSPIRED to write what was written!
 
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JesusIsAll

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Sirk said:
Well....errors in thinking are my specialty as I've spent years studying my own and observing others who exhibit them.
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Yes, it is study of incalculable value, to learn these things. Spend your life observing and learning, some of the bad as well as the good, and much becomes clear. As mentioned, studying mental disorders is very eye opening, as there are specific symptoms, which form a pattern. It infects the theology of those who are, really, all about themselves, not Christ.
 
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Sirk

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JesusIsAll said:
It's so indicative of a hateful rage you'll see of some narcissists. All that was said by somebody is that their claims make Jesus a liar, which is the truth, is a perfectly Biblical observation. You dispute the gospel of Jesus Christ, you are claiming He lied. There's no in-between.

But, anyway, the rage is symptomatic of psychosis, which often goes hand-in-hand with the delusions of grandeur and claims of being without sin. One thing certain types of narcissists can't tolerate is being exposed. They want to control. When they fail, they get angry, and part of that rage is an inability to accept they're not all they think they are, so they lash out at others. This stuff is all clinical borderline disorder. It's not a righteous indignation, but indignation over a breach in this false self image they've created.

Get a book or the like on borderline personality disorders, and it's all there. I'd highly recommend people, just in coping with life, get to know symptoms of various mental disorders, and also learn the false teachings of cults, so they may spot some things, off the bat. You'll spare a lot of trouble, when you know who you're dealing with and just consider the source. There are even borderline personality disorder reasons there are trolls, spoiling for a fight, over anything and everything.
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It's all a coping mechanism to deflect the light of truth from shining on a dark selfish heart. No more complicated than how an abuser blames the victim for their abuse. It's about gaining power and control, it's about "owning" another and about controlling what is "true" so they don't have to look at themselves.
 
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DesiredHaven

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And because folks were blaspheming Jesus

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Followed by where InSpirit is somehow above it all for defending Jesus name

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A followed by

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Then I posted where you can find that move

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So you can watch the provocation and the trapping and rejoicing.

Maybe the lurkers get an eyeful of what to run from

All this is actually to the lurkers advantage to flee this kind of christianity

This works to the good of those who love the Lord and are called to depart and find others who will glorify Jesus Christ
 
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Sirk

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JesusIsAll said:
Yes, it is study of incalculable value, to learn these things. Spend your life observing and learning, some of the bad as well as the good, and much becomes clear. As mentioned, studying mental disorders is very eye opening, as there are specific symptoms, which form a pattern. It infects the theology of those who are, really, all about themselves, not Christ.
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it really does...and it's a great illustration of how deeply rooted sin can be in a believers soul. Just like a farmers field...year after year....there are rocks to b picked out of the soil.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Sirk said:
It's all a coping mechanism to deflect the light of truth from shining on a dark selfish heart. No more complicated than how an abuser blames the victim for their abuse. It's about gaining power and control, it's about "owning" another and about controlling what is "true" so they don't have to look at themselves.
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Precisely. Some of the worst controllers are those filled with the most fear, so frightened of their own shadow they must dominate their entire environment. It's all an avoidance mechanism, to avoid self examination that would be too demeaning to them, to have to admit they're not really all that, even seriously lacking in development. Cult theologies appeal to both control freaks and those with disorders that want to be controlled: a marriage made in hell.
 
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