1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7 and 1 John 2:4. This was spoken as a warning to the brethren against those false believers who thought they had no sin whatsover either physically or spiritually in the sense of when they sin. In other words, this more in line with the Antinomian today who thinks all sin: Past, present, and future sin has been forgiven. In other words they are saying they have no sin spiritually because Jesus paid it all. This the deception John is warning the brethren about.
OSAS doctrine denies the faith
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Grandpa, thank you for asking me "Are people trying to separate being saved from being born again? How can you?
Or is that what you are saying to try and help out the people who don't believe, to help them see?"
I said "OBAB" to try to help both them, and you, and myself. Since many believers don't seem to be clear on what
salvation is, or is fully. My impression from most "anti-osas" posts is that such a poster doesn't know the Lord yet.
They've never met the person, Jesus Christ. Yet. May they meet Him, now! In this lifetime. My impression from many
"osas" posts is that they met the Christ. Been redeemed and justified by Him. And born anew.
For example, someone above asked: "Does the OSAS proponent sound more like a luke-warm believer or does the believer who seeks to honor God and follow His good ways sound more like a luke-warm believer?" What a twisted, unchristian question! It's "answering" and asking at the same time! The "anti-obab" folks seem to me to focus more on themselves, their capability, and on sin and judgment rather than on Christ. Christ who is both Lamb of God and the law of the Spirit of Life.
I prefer "once born, always born (of God)" to "osas" because there is more to life, more to the eternal life, than birth only.
We who have received the divine life, Jn 1:12-13, in the Son, as the Spirit----that secures our eternal destiny. We'll always
be children of God. But there's a lot more to salvation than rebirth. Although permanent, undoable, eternal, and secure (even from ourselves!), regeneration is just the start. We have to grow and mature in Christ. And for that, to help that even, in God's wisdom and policy, there is reward and punishment. To believers. To children of God. Such as the 10 believers, the 10 virgins in Mt 25. And the servants too there. All believers. There isn't merely Reward.......or no reward. There is reward........or punishment. Though the punishment of course is not eternal. It's still severe. And the word of God uses the words "saved" and "salvation" and also negative words, in regard to that subject, as well as in regard to our salvation into the family of God and about our eternal destiny.
A lukewarm Christian, any "undercomer" in all of the churches in Rv 2--3, unless they overcome, will receive the punishment of their Father at the judgment seat of Christ (and for 1000 years)
Or is that what you are saying to try and help out the people who don't believe, to help them see?"
I said "OBAB" to try to help both them, and you, and myself. Since many believers don't seem to be clear on what
salvation is, or is fully. My impression from most "anti-osas" posts is that such a poster doesn't know the Lord yet.
They've never met the person, Jesus Christ. Yet. May they meet Him, now! In this lifetime. My impression from many
"osas" posts is that they met the Christ. Been redeemed and justified by Him. And born anew.
For example, someone above asked: "Does the OSAS proponent sound more like a luke-warm believer or does the believer who seeks to honor God and follow His good ways sound more like a luke-warm believer?" What a twisted, unchristian question! It's "answering" and asking at the same time! The "anti-obab" folks seem to me to focus more on themselves, their capability, and on sin and judgment rather than on Christ. Christ who is both Lamb of God and the law of the Spirit of Life.
I prefer "once born, always born (of God)" to "osas" because there is more to life, more to the eternal life, than birth only.
We who have received the divine life, Jn 1:12-13, in the Son, as the Spirit----that secures our eternal destiny. We'll always
be children of God. But there's a lot more to salvation than rebirth. Although permanent, undoable, eternal, and secure (even from ourselves!), regeneration is just the start. We have to grow and mature in Christ. And for that, to help that even, in God's wisdom and policy, there is reward and punishment. To believers. To children of God. Such as the 10 believers, the 10 virgins in Mt 25. And the servants too there. All believers. There isn't merely Reward.......or no reward. There is reward........or punishment. Though the punishment of course is not eternal. It's still severe. And the word of God uses the words "saved" and "salvation" and also negative words, in regard to that subject, as well as in regard to our salvation into the family of God and about our eternal destiny.
A lukewarm Christian, any "undercomer" in all of the churches in Rv 2--3, unless they overcome, will receive the punishment of their Father at the judgment seat of Christ (and for 1000 years)
Please bare in mind that I know that by our hearts being sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water entails more than just what I listed previously, it is just that this is a post board and I was just showing that the work for our salvation was finished at the cross, now it is just up to us to believe and understand what all the work did for us through the Gospel.
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It's up to us to live our lives as tho Jesus is living thru us, and shine His light to the best of our ability to a lost and perishing world. .....Or you can be a stuffy automatron lunatic and scare people straight to hell. Kinda like when raising kids....if you beat them over the head enough with inadequacy and fear they grow up to be mature and well grounded adults.
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How does Matthew 6:15 apply? I mean, why tell someone who is born again and going to forgive people automatically to then hit the over the head and say .... if you do not forgive .... you will not be forgiven? Are you suggesting Matthew 6:15 is written for unbelievers? What good what that do them? The carnal man cannot understand God's Word. Do you know how absolutely silly it sounds to tell people certain spiritual things and then quickly turn around later and say those spiritual things no longer apply anymore? If Matthew 6:15 has changed, then what verse later says that it has changed?
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I was reminded in church of this thread this morning, while we were singing this song. It really says it all. The gospel is about God! Not our sin, our works or anything else. It is about the awesome, and incredible God we serve.
This hymn is based on Psalm 8
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This hymn is based on Psalm 8
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"How Great Thou Art"
O Lord, my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds Thy Hands have made;
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
Thy power throughout the universe displayed
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
And when I think of God, His Son not sparing;
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in;
That on the Cross, my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation
And lead me home, what joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow with humble adoration,
And then proclaim, "My God, how great Thou art!"
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
O Lord, my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds Thy Hands have made;
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
Thy power throughout the universe displayed
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
And when I think of God, His Son not sparing;
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in;
That on the Cross, my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
When Christ shall come with shout of acclamation
And lead me home, what joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow with humble adoration,
And then proclaim, "My God, how great Thou art!"
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art.
Then sings my soul, My Saviour God, to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!