When does the rapture occur?
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Fine, Fang ... and I find your modesty refreshing.
I just wonder why you think HE deliberately made things ambiguous and confusing.
Perhaps you are right that the virtue is more in a person's willingness to ardently search for truth rather than in "truth" itself ?
If so, many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans - even atheists - might have a bright 'hereafter' ?
I just wonder why you think HE deliberately made things ambiguous and confusing.
Perhaps you are right that the virtue is more in a person's willingness to ardently search for truth rather than in "truth" itself ?
If so, many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Wiccans - even atheists - might have a bright 'hereafter' ?
Rev 13:2 Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
John defines who this beast is of:
Rev 12: [SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
The Beast Alliance is of Satan as we see above and told specifically below. But where is the Beast of the Sea from?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
Leopard = Greece (Turkey, Syria, Lebanon)
Lion = Iraq (ancient Babylon)
Bear = Iran, southern Russian states, perhaps Pakistan and Afghanistan
Rev 17: [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Mountains are kingdom/nations. Thus, there will be seven nations that make up the Northern Alliance of Islamic Countries which will be worshiped/served.
John defines who this beast is of:
Rev 12: [SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.
The Beast Alliance is of Satan as we see above and told specifically below. But where is the Beast of the Sea from?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.
Leopard = Greece (Turkey, Syria, Lebanon)
Lion = Iraq (ancient Babylon)
Bear = Iran, southern Russian states, perhaps Pakistan and Afghanistan
Rev 17: [SUP]9 [/SUP]“Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Mountains are kingdom/nations. Thus, there will be seven nations that make up the Northern Alliance of Islamic Countries which will be worshiped/served.
F
At the last supper, Jesus said He would drink wine with His disciples, His co-kings...........in the Kingdom of God.
I thought. Not "IN HEAVEN."
The kingdom of God and heaven as a place are not interchangeable phrases. In point of fact, Christ will reign
on earth with His Bride for 1000 years. He leaves heaven. He comes to live on the earth He created.
Likwise for eternity, after the millennium. The New Jerusalem, the Husband and His wife, along with the nations,
live on the new earth. Not "in heaven."
I thought. Not "IN HEAVEN."
The kingdom of God and heaven as a place are not interchangeable phrases. In point of fact, Christ will reign
on earth with His Bride for 1000 years. He leaves heaven. He comes to live on the earth He created.
Likwise for eternity, after the millennium. The New Jerusalem, the Husband and His wife, along with the nations,
live on the new earth. Not "in heaven."
P
Let's look;
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
THEN...........LATER;
I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
lets review;
Bride,wife,marriage,marriage supper in heaven (as we just read)
THEN.......LATER;
That same bride,wife on horses,IN HEAVEN,DURING THE GT,ride down FROM HEAVEN,TO EARTH.
5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
THEN...........LATER;
I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
lets review;
Bride,wife,marriage,marriage supper in heaven (as we just read)
THEN.......LATER;
That same bride,wife on horses,IN HEAVEN,DURING THE GT,ride down FROM HEAVEN,TO EARTH.
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rev 19 says different.
but concerning your theory of
Jesus said "in my fathers house are many mansions"..." I go and prepare a place for you"
They saw him ASCEND. So,are you saying he was confused?
mat 26;29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
If his fathers kingdom is on earth,why did jesus ascend?
but concerning your theory of
Jesus said "in my fathers house are many mansions"..." I go and prepare a place for you"
They saw him ASCEND. So,are you saying he was confused?
mat 26;29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
If his fathers kingdom is on earth,why did jesus ascend?
F
Revelation 19:11-21 shows Christ on a white horse in heaven followed by His Bride, His armies, coming to earth.
To tread the winepress of God, Armageddon, where Antichrist's armies and the other nations' armies are gathered,
and destroyed. Christ (and the church) doesn't stay in heaven, they come to earth! What kind of Revelation book
do you own? The beast was seized, and with him the false prophet....this seizing takes place............on earth. Not in
heaven. The rest were killed with the sword which proceeds out of the mouth of Him who sits on the horse. The Lord
Jesus isn't on the throne of God in heaven. He's in transit! On the horse. Comes to earth. Every chapter, Rv 17; Zech 14;
on His Parousia show the same thing. Dear Popeye.
The Gospel of John mentions the Lord's (secret) ascension, but doesn't record His public ascension, precisely for this reason.
Its emphasis is on the inner life. The indwelling of Christ, as the Spirit, in His believers, His children, as His Father's House,
the Body of Christ. The "mansions" are.................you Popeye. And me. And all His believers. We're the many abodes. The many dwelling places. This is proven by John 14:23 which uses the same word "abode(s)" from 14:2. "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." The immediate, nearer, context of John 14:2 is John 14. That's the very same conversation! You should look at that first before misinterpreting or directly jumping to elsewhere in Scripture to support your interpretation.
The Lord ascended so that we might learn to live by Him in the most intimate way first----internally. Him living, quietly, softly, inside of us. In our deepest part. And one with us. And we one with Him. When He has that, at least among a remnant of His Body, then He will begin His Parousia. His physical return. Which------------------the big difference between His first coming
and His second--------is that the 2nd time, He comes not alone. But with His Bride. His Body. Rv 17:14; 19:14.
(Once He is on earth, yes, He'll drink wine anew with His disciples
To tread the winepress of God, Armageddon, where Antichrist's armies and the other nations' armies are gathered,
and destroyed. Christ (and the church) doesn't stay in heaven, they come to earth! What kind of Revelation book
do you own? The beast was seized, and with him the false prophet....this seizing takes place............on earth. Not in
heaven. The rest were killed with the sword which proceeds out of the mouth of Him who sits on the horse. The Lord
Jesus isn't on the throne of God in heaven. He's in transit! On the horse. Comes to earth. Every chapter, Rv 17; Zech 14;
on His Parousia show the same thing. Dear Popeye.
The Gospel of John mentions the Lord's (secret) ascension, but doesn't record His public ascension, precisely for this reason.
Its emphasis is on the inner life. The indwelling of Christ, as the Spirit, in His believers, His children, as His Father's House,
the Body of Christ. The "mansions" are.................you Popeye. And me. And all His believers. We're the many abodes. The many dwelling places. This is proven by John 14:23 which uses the same word "abode(s)" from 14:2. "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." The immediate, nearer, context of John 14:2 is John 14. That's the very same conversation! You should look at that first before misinterpreting or directly jumping to elsewhere in Scripture to support your interpretation.
The Lord ascended so that we might learn to live by Him in the most intimate way first----internally. Him living, quietly, softly, inside of us. In our deepest part. And one with us. And we one with Him. When He has that, at least among a remnant of His Body, then He will begin His Parousia. His physical return. Which------------------the big difference between His first coming
and His second--------is that the 2nd time, He comes not alone. But with His Bride. His Body. Rv 17:14; 19:14.
(Once He is on earth, yes, He'll drink wine anew with His disciples
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he ascended to take his blood to the father. ..(has to do with the priesthood)
Hogwash.
Sky grab. prove it
Again,prove your position.
I can walk all over this...with the bible..
You're out of your league in the bride/groom dimension.
Amazing,that postribs have no clue as to the biggest event about to happen.
No brainer that the first is last in spiritual law,and yet postribs COMPLETELY IGNORE,THEN TWIST, THE WEDDING DIMENSION,(which will be the last)
Jn 2;2 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
OK,lets see if you really do have "eyes" to see the things that are spirit and hidden.;
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.
13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
Down to capenum???
What???
Look it up.
look up what capernum means and what Nahum said and was.
I will wait.
Take off the postrib headgear first. (they have NO CLUE TO ANY OF THIS)
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