Misty77 you misunderstood my whole comment.
The term Desire is the same one that God used when he told Cain "sin will desire you " it's not a good term.. it's a term of control... Sin wants to control you..same for Women.. women want to control..
sorry ...those are in the original meanings.
And I didn't mean women would be under a man's thumb. It's a ROLE ...and it's in it's place.
Also.. it doesn't have to be a mutual submission. Look at the new testament scriptures where God says "if any of the (husbands) do not obey the word they may be won over by the "chaste and respectful" behavior of their wives.
You did list a lot of situations where through prayer and wisdom from God women reversed the roles however when a woman gives her husband some wisdom and he runs with it, he isn't submitting he is listening to sound advise (hopefully it's sound) and wisely choosing. Often two heads are better than one and it's not wrong to give heed to your wife's ideas if they are wise.
in a marriage, husband and wife are equal in value but different in roles.
Only women who find the term submission abhorrent would take offense to that.
I do agree Adam sinned... Eve was deceived and I still stick with my story that Adam was passive and let her be deceived.... Though yes he may have been walking at the time or whatever ideas someone else here had, she still held the fruit and he did NOT refuse to eat in fact he again passively gave in.
However I know women.. I am one after all.. I have counseled many women and they rarely see their dominance and lack of submission...they never see their rebellion. They will go on about their husband and how controlling they are and I sit and think...wow there are two sides to every coin. AND NO before you misunderstand something else I am saying, I am not saying abuse is right...no matter the triggers that's a whole other issue inside that man... but I am saying that women can be triggers in that sense..and they are then both unhealthy.
so that is my rebuttal. I just wanted to be able to defend my statements since women mostly, get that word "DESIRE" so wrong...
