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Loving Yourself Thread
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Join the club,been there myself.
Why oh why does God love us so much despite all of that,I will never ever understand.
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atwhatcost
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Math problem for you. Now go back and count how many first person pronouns were used in both dialogues.
Getting the picture yet? It's still self-first. Thus self-love. Thus "inordinate self-esteem," aka pride. Sneaky little sucker, ain't it?
You don't even know me outside of these forums. You have NEVER had a face to face conversation with me. You don't KNOW me. We never have had a Bible study together and you are assuming all this information about me based on one word in one thread. The word being "self love". You didn't look at the heart behind it you didn't look at my character nothing.
I get that your intentions are good and noble but please Don't worry over me getting "caught up in the world" until you know me and my situation better.
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atwhatcost
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Actually, it's cool that people who already have self-love didn't get more time to glow in themselves more. Instead, this got pointed to the only one who loves and gives love properly -- God.
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atwhatcost
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Keep saying that to yourself....
OR rethink your point, instead of constantly defending it.
*sigh* why do I stay on these forums? Can't some of you see that your words have the potential to push people farther away from God? Don't you see that with what you say you're not helping you're just making others feel awful? If "love" looks like making others feel like dirt then I want no part of it! If God looks the people on this forum I want no part of him! (I know He looks nothing like you guys no offense but please think about what would happen if I was serious)
What if someone who was borderline suicidal came across this forum? At this point I pray that they would have the good sense to contact Blain or Sirk.
What if someone who was borderline suicidal came across this forum? At this point I pray that they would have the good sense to contact Blain or Sirk.
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Pffft! One word in a thread? You've missed something. I've read your words on several forums. I've read your testimony. I've read what you've said to others. I've already seen you at a very deep low and a kinda high. (I have yet to see you at one of your high moments, but expect to.) Unless this persona you display on here is your guile, I do know you. I think you are guileless too. Just like you know me.
Yeah I can feel the love oozing from my computer screen. I feel so encouraged and loved in this wonderful community of Christ followers. They are so nice and gentle and so careful with their words. I truly feel that I have grown closer to God as a result of this thread just like I intended....NOT!!!
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atwhatcost
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Awful is the condition we come to God. You're missing the point! God is the answer!
God is the answer. God is the answer!
God is the answer! Saying pleasant things about ourselves isn't the answer. Building up ourselves isn't the answer. We're to tear ourselves down, because we have too much self. Again, God is the answer.
God is the answer. He enables that in us, because we are NOT the answer. God is the answer!
Lift up thine eyes!!!
A little balance...
Mark 8:34-35 (KJV)
34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mark 8:34-35 (KJV)
34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
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Because you've been so busy defending your position instead of really hearing what people are saying. Honest. Take some time and step back. Cool down. Eat chocolate if you have to (if you like chocolate. lol) Go do what you love to do most and enjoy the day. And, when you can see past your position -- just to be more open-minded, because you really don't have to change your mind, but you might want to -- then read what we're truly saying, instead of the assumption we're attacking you. We're really, really not attacking you.
We're saying, "God made a better way."
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Rhythm801
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1 Corinthians 13:4-8New International Version (NIV)
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
I think that any sin has as it's root denying another persons rights. Love is all of this in the above scripture, yet we are not perfect human beings either. Part of the problem is what Einstein said about people , that we don't allowances for people to be people. We Don't make allowances for others to be human. And we are afraid to admit that we make mistakes, it is a sign of weakness in a lot of people.
Jim
I stand by what I say. If some day I find out that God looks like the people on this forum I want no part of him. I want no part of a God who is selfish and demands that we just ignore our mental health. I will not follow a god who DEMANDS submission. I will not follow a god who tells us we are nothing. I will not follow a god who thinks we are worthless scum. I will not follow a god who created us just to make us miserable. I will not follow a god who leaves no room for error. I will not follow a god who is harsh and cares nothing about my feelings. I will not follow a god who just ignores my issues. I will not follow a god who insists that I have a miserable life. I will not follow a god who doesn't understand the human condition.
I will follow a God who asks for submission. I will follow a God who loves us. I will follow a God who is humble in heart. I will follow a God who is willing to carry our heavy burdens and trade them out for lighter ones. I will follow a God who loves us enough to die for His own creation. I will follow a God who is good and actually CARES about us and our feelings. I will follow a God who is both merciful and just. I will follow a God who forgives. I will follow a God who calls us to die to ourselves yet also provides for us. I will follow a God who makes it all about Him yet it's for our good. I will follow a God who wants the best for me. I will follow a God who wants me to be happy (within limits of course). I will follow a God who doesn't burden His creation, who doesn't guilt or shame them. I will follow a kind and loving God.
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Sirk
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Jf. There is a spiritual component to getting well for sure. But there is also a human component cuz we are ...after all, human. Over spiritualizing relationship with God like some will do is frustrating....I know. I think you are on the right track if you are making good nueral hiways in your thinking and processing process. (That sounds kinda funny). The fact is that scripture tells us to think well, to renew our minds and learn skills at making good decisions and heading off lies and wrong thinking....holding every though captive etc. you're on the right track and if you feel misunderstood, express it but don't let it define you.
I have heard what you are saying. You're saying self-love is wrong and conceited. Not if you do it right. I could say that you're doing the same thing to me. You're not taking anything I have to say in to consideration.
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Rhythm801
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How often I have blamed God for what others have done to me. I wonder if you would care to comment about that? We start thinking that HE is that man that misteated me or if God loved me why would he allow that to happen to me? For years I had said that to myself and justified being an atheist for that reason.
ok. It's just difficult because I so badly wanted this thread to help people and here we are fighting again. What bothers me most is that people think they're actually doing God a favor by saying all this stuff. Like I know some people think Jesus was harsh with his words but most of that was aimed at pharisees. Christians can be so so so so mean and when Christians are mean that's how people see Jesus and that is so damaging. When a Christian speaks we gotta think "would Jesus really say it this way?" and I am far from perfect on this but how you say something is almost just as important as what you say.
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