Mike Bickle's "Israel Mandate"
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Do you not hear the voice of the shepherd and the voice of a stranger you will not follow? John 10
What you experienced was the Holy Spirit. You say the Bible is your authority, does not the Bible tell you in John 16.13 that the Holy Spirit will show you things to come. DO you truly believe that, or do you not think that's what it means.
We were waiting for another minsiter to show up at a church for a revival service, he was scheduled to preach the first night, but we went all nights to show support for the other visiting ministers and the host pastor.
Early in the day the Holy spirit said take another set of notes, you will preach tonight. I simply obeyed.
We got to the church and it was about 90 minutes before service and the host pastor and his staff and all of us that were invited were getting ready to pray for the service. People were wondering where Pastor D was at. About 5 minutes later, I then said out loud. Pastor D. will not be here tonight, he has been fighting a flu bug he came down with suddenly and has a fever and been throwing up all day and will not make it. not 5 minutes later the host pastor cell phone rang, it was Pastor D. he had come down wiht a flu bug, ahd a fever and been throwing up all day and would not make it. I did not have Pastor D. phone number in my phone and he had never texted, emailed or said anything to anyone accept the host pastor when he called.
The host pastor looked around the room and said well, who is instant in Season? Pastor Josh, you? I said yes, I am ready.
The service went on and many were saved when the Word was preached. Praise God!
I did not question who was talking to me and I knew it was the Holy Spirit, because John 16.13 says the Holy Spirit will show me all things. This is classic case of perfect balance between the Spirit and the Word. I also knew it was not an evil spirit, because there was truth stated and the Holy Spirit is also the Spirit of Truth.
The Holy Spirit is often renamed in our minds and our understanding as, intuition, instinct, gut feeling, and a host of other natural terms. Yet the Bible tells us all we need to know about him and his ministry.
The Holy Spirit speaks to us outside of the Word, but to know it is him, you gotta know the Word!
the Rodeo clown is ready...hit me.
What you experienced was the Holy Spirit. You say the Bible is your authority, does not the Bible tell you in John 16.13 that the Holy Spirit will show you things to come. DO you truly believe that, or do you not think that's what it means.
We were waiting for another minsiter to show up at a church for a revival service, he was scheduled to preach the first night, but we went all nights to show support for the other visiting ministers and the host pastor.
Early in the day the Holy spirit said take another set of notes, you will preach tonight. I simply obeyed.
We got to the church and it was about 90 minutes before service and the host pastor and his staff and all of us that were invited were getting ready to pray for the service. People were wondering where Pastor D was at. About 5 minutes later, I then said out loud. Pastor D. will not be here tonight, he has been fighting a flu bug he came down with suddenly and has a fever and been throwing up all day and will not make it. not 5 minutes later the host pastor cell phone rang, it was Pastor D. he had come down wiht a flu bug, ahd a fever and been throwing up all day and would not make it. I did not have Pastor D. phone number in my phone and he had never texted, emailed or said anything to anyone accept the host pastor when he called.
The host pastor looked around the room and said well, who is instant in Season? Pastor Josh, you? I said yes, I am ready.
The service went on and many were saved when the Word was preached. Praise God!
I did not question who was talking to me and I knew it was the Holy Spirit, because John 16.13 says the Holy Spirit will show me all things. This is classic case of perfect balance between the Spirit and the Word. I also knew it was not an evil spirit, because there was truth stated and the Holy Spirit is also the Spirit of Truth.
The Holy Spirit is often renamed in our minds and our understanding as, intuition, instinct, gut feeling, and a host of other natural terms. Yet the Bible tells us all we need to know about him and his ministry.
The Holy Spirit speaks to us outside of the Word, but to know it is him, you gotta know the Word!
the Rodeo clown is ready...hit me.
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Sirk,
It was not my intention to be rude in this reply, it was terse to get you to remember what the Word says and draw the best out of you. Since you are a son of God, then the voice of the shepherd you hear and the voice of the stranger you will not follow.
Let me be clear, before someone start playing Yoda and painting a wagon about me that is utter trash. We do not follow after voices of any kind. That will lead you into major deception. The Holy Spirit will speak to your spirit and it is like you said, a nudge, an impression, and you will know it is the Holy Spirit.
Try this exercise sometime when you are at a quiet moment in your day. Say Father, God or Abba Daddy, I love you. he will say it right back to you, but he will speak it in your spirit. Performing this will cultivate intimacy with the Father.
In all my years walking with the Lord I have only heard him audibly twice.
It was not my intention to be rude in this reply, it was terse to get you to remember what the Word says and draw the best out of you. Since you are a son of God, then the voice of the shepherd you hear and the voice of the stranger you will not follow.
Let me be clear, before someone start playing Yoda and painting a wagon about me that is utter trash. We do not follow after voices of any kind. That will lead you into major deception. The Holy Spirit will speak to your spirit and it is like you said, a nudge, an impression, and you will know it is the Holy Spirit.
Try this exercise sometime when you are at a quiet moment in your day. Say Father, God or Abba Daddy, I love you. he will say it right back to you, but he will speak it in your spirit. Performing this will cultivate intimacy with the Father.
In all my years walking with the Lord I have only heard him audibly twice.
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I was not offended at all with your reply but thought it had a very decent and kind tone to it. That is a pretty cool story about you being led to prepare to preach. I have never audibly heard God but have have had those gut feelings that you talk about that have kept me out of trouble on occasion. I am not here to attack what you believe but I will say this. I have a great church that teaches from the bible and I consider my pastor to be a Godly leader and I have submitted myself to him. I have great confidence in my pastor. FYI....we are in the northwestern evangelical conference.
Hebrews 13:17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
Hebrews 13:17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal 5:22-23
for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth Eph 5:9
filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God. Phil 1:11
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God Col 1:10
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Matt 3:8
The problem is many go to church with no faith, or just say stuff without knowing the words have real meaning.
A few grasp the promise of a relationship and find a sudden release of love and joy, which they translate to mean the form of faith was wrong and dead, and it is this emotional release that is the faith.
The problem is in this emotional release, many other deceptions can appear. If a "christian" group appears and does not say or exalt Jesus as Lord is suspect.
I have been is churches that were non-believing, yet I could still praise and worship the Lord. What is worrying to me, I have been in "holy spirit" meetings where I was spiritually unsure what they were doing or saying. Content is everything, else the experience you are part of, may not be from the Lord.
No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:3
I wonder how seriously people take this phrase. I think you should.
for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth Eph 5:9
filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God. Phil 1:11
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God Col 1:10
Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. Matt 3:8
The problem is many go to church with no faith, or just say stuff without knowing the words have real meaning.
A few grasp the promise of a relationship and find a sudden release of love and joy, which they translate to mean the form of faith was wrong and dead, and it is this emotional release that is the faith.
The problem is in this emotional release, many other deceptions can appear. If a "christian" group appears and does not say or exalt Jesus as Lord is suspect.
I have been is churches that were non-believing, yet I could still praise and worship the Lord. What is worrying to me, I have been in "holy spirit" meetings where I was spiritually unsure what they were doing or saying. Content is everything, else the experience you are part of, may not be from the Lord.
No one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 12:3
I wonder how seriously people take this phrase. I think you should.
The lie of Satan
"they may see your good deeds"
Matt 4:16
To some in the church, a church without miracles, signs and wonders is not a church where God is manifest.
Why is this a lie?
Jesus laid down the testimony of His presence being the fruit of the spirit and love.
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal 5:22-23
He explicitly condemned a freak show as full of evil doers. It is easy to con people, to claim great things but deliver almost nothing. It is almost impossible to fake changed lives.
That is why Jesus says "your good deeds"
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:27
To listen to these charismatic preachers it is the freak show that is everything.
Read the sermon on the mount. The emphasis is on truth, sincerity and doing things not for show but in secret.
Now miracles and signs will be in a church following Jesus's way, and the Holy Spirit, but not as their primary focus because that is not exalting Jesus as Lord.
So when people reject the core message of the gospel their signs and wonders are not from the Lord.
"they may see your good deeds"
Matt 4:16
To some in the church, a church without miracles, signs and wonders is not a church where God is manifest.
Why is this a lie?
Jesus laid down the testimony of His presence being the fruit of the spirit and love.
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Gal 5:22-23
He explicitly condemned a freak show as full of evil doers. It is easy to con people, to claim great things but deliver almost nothing. It is almost impossible to fake changed lives.
That is why Jesus says "your good deeds"
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:27
To listen to these charismatic preachers it is the freak show that is everything.
Read the sermon on the mount. The emphasis is on truth, sincerity and doing things not for show but in secret.
Now miracles and signs will be in a church following Jesus's way, and the Holy Spirit, but not as their primary focus because that is not exalting Jesus as Lord.
So when people reject the core message of the gospel their signs and wonders are not from the Lord.
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Nothing Peter said is authoritative any hows! Bible is not inspired!
How is it you made the statement to begin with and yet you failed to answer my questions in the thread, but now you're here asking questions?
Churchy types! I go to church. Yes I do. Paul went to church. Lots of Christians went to church.
God's people were drunk? Some Jews thought so, yes. But then some heard and believed. At least 3,000. What did they hear? You can read Acts 2.
There's Joshua Generation, Ember, and Willie. Don't know which of the three despises God and His Word the most.
You want to talk about parroting words, as you accused me of, your posts contain clichés and syntax patterned after so many posts.
Oh, Peter also said that some of Paul's writings were hard to understand. Guess what. He said that after he exhorted and admonished the saints to rely on God's word. He said and knew it, but he continued to spread the gospel. (Where do we read of Peter writing about some of Paul's teaching?)
What is your authority? You believe the Bible is not of God. It is of man. So what is your authority?
How is it you made the statement to begin with and yet you failed to answer my questions in the thread, but now you're here asking questions?
Churchy types! I go to church. Yes I do. Paul went to church. Lots of Christians went to church.
God's people were drunk? Some Jews thought so, yes. But then some heard and believed. At least 3,000. What did they hear? You can read Acts 2.
There's Joshua Generation, Ember, and Willie. Don't know which of the three despises God and His Word the most.
You want to talk about parroting words, as you accused me of, your posts contain clichés and syntax patterned after so many posts.
Oh, Peter also said that some of Paul's writings were hard to understand. Guess what. He said that after he exhorted and admonished the saints to rely on God's word. He said and knew it, but he continued to spread the gospel. (Where do we read of Peter writing about some of Paul's teaching?)
What is your authority? You believe the Bible is not of God. It is of man. So what is your authority?
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Nothing Peter said is authoritative any hows! Bible is not inspired!
How is it you made the statement to begin with and yet you failed to answer my questions in the thread, but now you're here asking questions?
Churchy types! I go to church. Yes I do. Paul went to church. Lots of Christians went to church.
God's people were drunk? Some Jews thought so, yes. But then some heard and believed. At least 3,000. What did they hear? You can read Acts 2.
There's Joshua Generation, Ember, and Willie. Don't know which of the three despises God and His Word the most.
You want to talk about parroting words, as you accused me of, your posts contain clichés and syntax patterned after so many posts.
Oh, Peter also said that some of Paul's writings were hard to understand. Guess what. He said that after he exhorted and admonished the saints to rely on God's word. He said and knew it, but he continued to spread the gospel. (Where do we read of Peter writing about some of Paul's teaching?)
What is your authority? You believe the Bible is not of God. It is of man. So what is your authority?
Nothing Peter said is authoritative any hows! Bible is not inspired!
How is it you made the statement to begin with and yet you failed to answer my questions in the thread, but now you're here asking questions?
Churchy types! I go to church. Yes I do. Paul went to church. Lots of Christians went to church.
God's people were drunk? Some Jews thought so, yes. But then some heard and believed. At least 3,000. What did they hear? You can read Acts 2.
There's Joshua Generation, Ember, and Willie. Don't know which of the three despises God and His Word the most.
You want to talk about parroting words, as you accused me of, your posts contain clichés and syntax patterned after so many posts.
Oh, Peter also said that some of Paul's writings were hard to understand. Guess what. He said that after he exhorted and admonished the saints to rely on God's word. He said and knew it, but he continued to spread the gospel. (Where do we read of Peter writing about some of Paul's teaching?)
What is your authority? You believe the Bible is not of God. It is of man. So what is your authority?
I understand the point being made. The culture is simply to dismiss people who disagree with them as obviously not spiritual enough. What throws believers out is the basic way one goes about your spiritual life is different because we are following different belief systems, down to a fundamental level.
At least they are exalting Jesus and His work on the cross.
They will not clarify their beliefs because they are not substantial and not intellectually sound, so dare not engage.
It is easier to say they are the true christians, and the rest just legal minded hypocrites than face the truth.
Where it does not work at all, is when people preach repentance by faith in Jesus along with the spiritual gifts, building up the body of christ. That is the position of my church, but somehow I am still wrong. Odd that.
At least they are exalting Jesus and His work on the cross.
They will not clarify their beliefs because they are not substantial and not intellectually sound, so dare not engage.
It is easier to say they are the true christians, and the rest just legal minded hypocrites than face the truth.
Where it does not work at all, is when people preach repentance by faith in Jesus along with the spiritual gifts, building up the body of christ. That is the position of my church, but somehow I am still wrong. Odd that.
No one is hating people, not from the bible believing side, as far as I can see. What people are saying is their authority or perspective on life, Jesus and spirituality is based on the bible and not on preachers.
Now claiming spiritual authority to prophecy, to heal, to command from the Lord needs foundations. To just pat people on the back for trying is foolish. These people are claiming a holy intervention into our world by the Lord, yet when it turns out to be a lie, oh you should just forgive them for being a false teacher, false prophet, because that is spirituality.
No that is not following the Lord or the Holy Spirit within. But to admit it is wrong and then go back to what was begun would be too much, because that would mean repentance, searching for reality and the Lord again, when that idea was rejected for this new path.
A prophet brings Gods word to people. We are literally bringing Gods word to you and all the readers. It is not our authority or truth but His, and you can read it, just like us. If that is slanderous or hate, then you truly have lost the plot.
Now claiming spiritual authority to prophecy, to heal, to command from the Lord needs foundations. To just pat people on the back for trying is foolish. These people are claiming a holy intervention into our world by the Lord, yet when it turns out to be a lie, oh you should just forgive them for being a false teacher, false prophet, because that is spirituality.
No that is not following the Lord or the Holy Spirit within. But to admit it is wrong and then go back to what was begun would be too much, because that would mean repentance, searching for reality and the Lord again, when that idea was rejected for this new path.
A prophet brings Gods word to people. We are literally bringing Gods word to you and all the readers. It is not our authority or truth but His, and you can read it, just like us. If that is slanderous or hate, then you truly have lost the plot.