Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Jackson123]

Catholic said she believe the bible.

Bible said not to bow to the any graven image.

[h=1]In front of Fatima statue, Pope Francis entrusts the world to Mary[/h]

by Francis X Rocca
posted Monday, 14 Oct 2013
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It's mean Catholic is lie, this fact she doesn't believe the bible

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Catholic Church has been here 1,982 yrs. I think it stands the test. This verse, Tim 3:16, does it say the bible is the sole authority? It doesn't does it?

The jewish priesthood has been here almost 4000 years I think they would trump the catholic priesthood if our basis is on how long they are here.

Yes it does. Paul told the person he was going to put in charge of a major church, the word of God can make a person complete. and thoroughly equpied for ALL WORK. Meaning, there is nothing else needed.

If paul told the leader the bible is the sole authority, anyone who says it does not goes against the words of paul, thus denies scripture

 

[valiant]

The Catholic Church has been here 1,982 yrs. I think it stands the test. This verse, Tim 3:16, does it say the bible is the sole authority? It doesn't does it?

But what did the description Catholic church mean when it was first used in 2nd century AD? It meant the total number of independent churches around the world who were in fellowship with one another and had responded to the teaching of Jesus Christ and His unique Apostles.

There was no hierarchy. Once the Apostles died out they were not replaced because they had been replaced by the New Testament. Rome did not even have a sole bishop when Ignatius wrote to it. Clement of Rome knew nothing of a sole bishop. No church saw Rome as the final authority.

There was no Pope in Rome until 8th century AD As the Encyclopedia Britannica pointed out:

The Papacy was not organized until the second half of the 8th century. It broke away from the Eastern Church under Pippin III (in the Ency. Brit., 13th Ed., vol. 21, page 636). See also 'the Papacy', by Abbe Guette." ​

The Roman Catholic church seceded from the Catholic church in 8th century AD. So we who are still in the Catholic church have a much long record than you.

Of course we have to admit that your Popes exceeded us in murders, adultery, idolatry and such like. We preferred to follow the teaching of Jesus Christ and His Apostles as found in the New Testament AND NOWHERE ELSE.

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[mwc68]

The jewish priesthood has been here almost 4000 years I think they would trump the catholic priesthood if our basis is on how long they are here.

Yes it does. Paul told the person he was going to put in charge of a major church, the word of God can make a person complete. and thoroughly equpied for ALL WORK. Meaning, there is nothing else needed.

If paul told the leader the bible is the sole authority, anyone who says it does not goes against the words of paul, thus denies scripture

2 Tim 3:16 does not say bible alone is sole authority. It does describe several situations the bible can be useful in, but does NOT say the bible is sole authority . That is you wanting this scripture to say that, but you are sadly mistaken. I have noticed ya'll do this a lot

 

[CeileDe]

2 Tim 3:16 does not say bible alone is sole authority. It does describe several situations the bible can be useful in, but does NOT say the bible is sole authority . That is you wanting this scripture to say that, but you are sadly mistaken. I have noticed ya'll do this a lot

Yes, but if the Church is teaching something that is against what the Word of God is saying then you go back to the Bible to get the Truth. We should never take something a minister says at face value. We should always test it with the Word of God.

 

[mwc68]

The jewish priesthood has been here almost 4000 years I think they would trump the catholic priesthood if our basis is on how long they are here.

Yes it does. Paul told the person he was going to put in charge of a major church, the word of God can make a person complete. and thoroughly equpied for ALL WORK. Meaning, there is nothing else needed.

If paul told the leader the bible is the sole authority, anyone who says it does not goes against the words of paul, thus denies scripture

It also say in the bible that if a btother or sister i doing wrong, take 2 members of the CHURCH to talk with them. If that doesn't work bring them to the CHURCH to settle it. It doesn't say bring them to the bible, it says bring them to the CHURCH as a final authority. I know you bible only ppl like your freedom and don't like religious rules. When was the CHURCH supposed to conform to you and your man made ways?

 

[notuptome]

It also say in the bible that if a btother or sister i doing wrong, take 2 members of the CHURCH to talk with them. If that doesn't work bring them to the CHURCH to settle it. It doesn't say bring them to the bible, it says bring them to the CHURCH as a final authority. I know you bible only ppl like your freedom and don't like religious rules. When was the CHURCH supposed to conform to you and your man made ways?

This is a classic example of straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Your definition of church is Romanism. Bible definition of church is the born again, blood washed, Spirit filled believers here as a witness and testimony for Christ their Savior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mwc68]

This is a classic example of straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel.

Your definition of church is Romanism. Bible definition of church is the born again, blood washed, Spirit filled believers here as a witness and testimony for Christ their Savior.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Come on St. Paul was speaking of the One Church. How could you bring someone to numerous churches? He said the Church

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 Tim 3:16 does not say bible alone is sole authority. It does describe several situations the bible can be useful in, but does NOT say the bible is sole authority . That is you wanting this scripture to say that, but you are sadly mistaken. I have noticed ya'll do this a lot

dude, do you even read.

1. The paul says that scripture is able to give one the knowledge of how to be saved (the most important (vs 15)
2. He says it is able to reproof all things
3. He says it is able to teach you all doctrines (truths)
4. He says it is able to correct you in all areas you are wrong about
5. He says it is able to instruct you in all areas of righteousness
6. he says through it, a man can be made complete. (if he is complete. he does not need anything else. he is made complete because of points 1 - 5)
7, He says it is able to equip in all areas for every good work.

what more does a person need?

your in trouble if you do not stop listening to men, and start listening to the word of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It also say in the bible that if a btother or sister i doing wrong, take 2 members of the CHURCH to talk with them. If that doesn't work bring them to the CHURCH to settle it. It doesn't say bring them to the bible, it says bring them to the CHURCH as a final authority. I know you bible only ppl like your freedom and don't like religious rules. When was the CHURCH supposed to conform to you and your man made ways?

and who is the church? where two are three are gathered in my name, there I am also.

the church is not the roman catholic church, it never was. it is wherever a body of believers are together in fellowship.

have you read the OT? God told the jews to take their problems to the priest also. so ONCE AGAIN. according to your own reasoning, they jews have just as much right as the true church than you do!

Thats what happens when you get away from scripture, and start getting into things outside of scripture..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Come on St. Paul was speaking of the One Church. How could you bring someone to numerous churches? He said the Church

yep the church.

all those born again of the spirit of God.

Not the roman church which was not born for another 300-400 years after paul.

 

[notuptome]

Come on St. Paul was speaking of the One Church. How could you bring someone to numerous churches? He said the Church

Paul was part of the church that he knew to be a organism not an organization as you know it to be. You use similar terminology but with vastly different meanings to the terms.

This is another example of why it is necessary to have the Holy Spirit as the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mwc68]

yep the church.

all those born again of the spirit of God.

Not the roman church which was not born for another 300-400 years after paul.

I disagree. The Catholic Church before rome, is still the Catholic church!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I disagree. The Catholic Church before rome, is still the Catholic church!!

well thats sad then, because the catholic church of today looks nothing like the church of the NT. and that does not just go for the catholic church, sadly it goes for most churches, catholic or non catholic.

 

[valiant]

2 Tim 3:16 does not say bible alone is sole authority. It does describe several situations the bible can be useful in, but does NOT say the bible is sole authority . That is you wanting this scripture to say that, but you are sadly mistaken. I have noticed ya'll do this a lot

I have given you any number of verses which confirm that the Scriptures are the sole place of prime authority. You just ignore the ones you cant answer. Jesus condemned the Scribes for looking to tradition rather than the word of God, the Scriptures. THAT is making the Scriptures the sole authority. He called those who preferred tradition 'blind fools'. In other words He was sola scriptura.

I have noticed that you will not face up to facts. It is your constant problem.

 

[valiant]

It also say in the bible that if a btother or sister i doing wrong, take 2 members of the CHURCH to talk with them. If that doesn't work bring them to the CHURCH to settle it. It doesn't say bring them to the bible, it says bring them to the CHURCH as a final authority. I know you bible only ppl like your freedom and don't like religious rules. When was the CHURCH supposed to conform to you and your man made ways?

They are to go to the church because the true church is established on the Scriptures. They are to be judge in the light of the Scriptures. You are just being silly. WHO will bring them to the Bible? The church of course, the true people of God.

No the church does not conform to man made ways. That is the prerogative of the Roman Catholic church. The true church conforms to the ways of Scripture.

 

[mwc68]

I have given you any number of verses which confirm that the Scriptures are the sole place of prime authority. You just ignore the ones you cant answer. Jesus condemned the Scribes for looking to tradition rather than the word of God, the Scriptures. THAT is making the Scriptures the sole authority. He called those who preferred tradition 'blind fools'. In other words He was sola scriptura.

I have noticed that you will not face up to facts. It is your constant problem.

Your propaganda is not facts

 

[Jackson123]

Apostle never teach to entrust the world to Mary.

this is oppose the bible, how Peter successor oppose Peter teaching.

In front of Fatima statue, Pope Francis entrusts the world to Mary

by Francis X Rocca
posted Monday, 14 Oct 2013
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It's mean Catholic is lie, this fact she doesn't believe the bible

 

[valiant]

Come on St. Paul was speaking of the One Church. How could you bring someone to numerous churches? He said the Church

The word for church means the assembly (it was a word used for Israel as a whole). This assembly was made up of thirteen tribes (like denominations).

In the same way all the churches which the Apostles formed were together called 'the church' and that church was made up of independent assemblies (as the OT church was made up of independent tribes).

This is quite clear in Scripture unless you come to it with RC blinkers on.

When was the Roman Catholic church ever the one church? The Roman church was initially a small Western group within the whole worldwide Catholic church. Another Western group was the Celtic church which rejected the authority of Rome. It was still part of the universal Catholic church. The Eastern churches never accepted the authority of the Pope. They were still members of the worldwide Catholic church. The Catholic church of Jerusalem never accepted the authority of the Pope, and if anyone had a right to call itself 'the church' it was the Jerusalem church.

The Roman church was bastardised as a consequence of the activities of the empires who among other things insisted that pagan priests be admitted as priests of the Roman church. It was politically necessary.

Because of political pressure the church in Rome began to get above itself. And consequently it seceded from the Catholic church to form the Roman Catholic church under a Pope in 8th century AD. From then on it was largely political and furthered its cause by violence. Thus we have the monstrosities of the next seven hundred years. The true church in their area was constantly persecuted and many martyrs resulted.

TO SUGGEST THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS EVER SEEN AS 'THE CHURCH' (EXCEPT BY THEMSELVES) IS LAUGHABLE.

 

[valiant]

Come on St. Paul was speaking of the One Church. How could you bring someone to numerous churches? He said the Church

you really do reveal your ignorance. those words were never spoke by Paul. They were spoken by Jesus before the NT church existed. thus He was speaking of the group of disciples as 'the church' (the new Israel). At that stage there only was the one group. It was only after Acts that there were many churches. But even they formed the one church made up of all true believers in Christ.