Marijuana?

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Dread_Zeppelin

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Yeah....i dont understand your logic.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I am somewhat intrigued here. I'm assuming you've never read The Great Book of Hemp, so how do you know whether Rowan Robinson cites a source or not?

True, Rabbi Kaplan does not mention one way or another his view on cannabis in that particular instance, but does mention that there are scholars who believe it is so, and in a publication in 1982, shortly before his death, he goes on to mention Jewish Kabbalistic writings that refer to the burning of certain grasses, which he considered to be psychedelic drugs.

Considering the context of the usage of the word hemp, I'm fairly certain they aren't talking about rope ;]

Whether you have had a mindbending reaction to calamine or not is irrelevant. Calamus is a psychoactive drug.

Should you like further references?

The German researcher Immanuel Low, in his DIE FLORA DER JUDEN (1926\1967) identified a number of ancient Hebrew references to cannabis, here as an incense, food source, as well as cloth, noting the keneh, and keneh bosem references amongst others in this regard independent of Benet . Interestingly, Immanuel Löw, referred to an ancient Jewish Passover recipe that called for wine to be mixed with ground up saffron and hasisat surur, which he saw as a “a kind of deck name for the resin the Cannabis sativa” (Low, 1924).


“ Around 1980, etymologists at Hebrew University in Jerusalem confirmed that cannabis is mentioned in the Bible by name, Kineboisin (also spelled Kannabosm), in a list of measured ingredients for “an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of apothecary’ to be smeared on the head. The word was mistranslated in king James version as ‘calamus’ ”(Latimer 1988)

“so-called IE root kanna… is admitted to be “of Semitic origin”….the IE word kannabis (hemp – a late IE word borrowed from an unknown source)” (Mozeson, 1989)….KANBOOS is an early post biblical term for hemp… The word HEMP is traced to Greek kannabis and Persian kannab… The ultimate etymon is conceded by Webster’s to be “a very early borrowing from a non-IE, possibly Semitic language…. In seeking related words… consider Aramaic… KENABH… and [Hebrew] KANEH…” (Mozeson, 1989)

Furthermore, cannabis is an aromatic plant. It was extremely popular in ancient cultures such as Assyria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, as an incense for the gods, much like cinnamon or myrrh. It is not a difficult stretch at all to believe that the Israelites took this aromatic herb and offered it up as incense, considering they were all common ingredients and I don't think that the Israelites had the same aversion you have to it being a "drug." To them it was just another aromatic herb to burn before God. And IF they did get high on it, no doubt they attributed it to God and thus the suspicion of it being some kind of mind-altering drug is avoided.
After all, myrrh was a drug. It was often mixed with wine and given to people to help ease their pain. I see no one here crying against myrrh being used as an incense to God, or as one of the three gifts given to Jesus at His birth. :]


Cannabis was also found in Israel in an archeological dig, dating back to the 4th century. Probably used as a medicine, as cannabis has a very long and quite commendable history as a pain reliever.

"An archeological dig in Bet Shemesh near Jerusalem has confirmed that cannabis medicine was in use in the area up until the fourth century. Thus it would seem to stand to reason that it was used for these purposes throughout the intervening Christian period. In the case of the Bet Shemesh dig, the cannabis had been used as an aid in child bearing, both as a healing balm and an inhalant. Scientists commenting on the find noted that cannabis was used as a medicine as early as the 16th century BC, in Egypt. (Abel 1980 This find garnered some attention, as can be seen from the Associated Press article, "Hashish evidence is 1,600 years old", that appeared in Vancouver newspaper The Province, on June 2, 1992: "...Archaeologists uncovered organic remains of a substance containing hashish, grasses and fruit on the abdominal area of a teenage female's skeleton that dates back to the fourth century...,Anthropologist Joel Zias said that although researchers knew hashish had been used as a medicine, this is the first archeological evidence." (Associated Press 1992).
First, I did check Robinson's book--no citation. Lowe was a botanist, Latimer a PhD and Mozeson was an Edanist. None are qualified in the Hebrew. The "Hebrew University" thing appears to be an urban myth.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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My logic is this

You say cannabis is bad

I say alcohol is just as bad

they say alcohol is ok but cannabis is bad

and I don't understand why
 
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OnDMT

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I'd like some elaboration on the dozens of posts alluding to marijuana ruining someone's life. I'd highly encourage people to look at the other factors and the context of their usage of Cannabis before scape-goating people's problems on it.

I know both successful people and religious Christians who use Marijuana occasionally for their own purposes, with no harm done to their person or character.

But again, it's all subjective.
 
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happynGod

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The thing is that we are not to break the law of the land and marijuana is against the law ( period). If it was not against the law then (Maybe) it would be different. The only way we are to break the law of the land is if it goes against God. That is all I have to say.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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not all here are from lands where it is illegal (I think)

and yeah. you don't have to be a drug addict to smoke/ eat it
 
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Dread_Zeppelin

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My logic is this

You say cannabis is bad

I say alcohol is just as bad

they say alcohol is ok but cannabis is bad

and I don't understand why

I say smoking marijuana is bad because it alters your mind. I say alcohol is okay because, when not drunk, it doesn't alter your mind. Alcohol can easily go into the "not okay" relm when you use it to alter your mind.
Again, i am reposting what I just said. That frustrates me.
 
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Do you people believe in demons? My uncle was shown the DEMON attached to marijuana. Believe it or not your choice, as for me, the people i know who do it can keep it off of my property and away from me. .
 
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wwjd_kilden

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well I am saying you are wrong

I have met way more people altered by alcohol than cannabis
I'd rather meet a pothead than a drunk..

alcohol should be banned... it causes accidents, fights and crimes... way more than cannabis does
 
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wrong zeppelin

you CAN smoke marijuana without getting high... The first time I tried it, it affected me LESS than an average cigarette!
Actually that is common. for some reason, I dont know why, the first time I used it it had little effect. It was subsequent usage after that that the incredible paranoia set in... they were all laughing at me... nope, they were laughing cause they were high, my perception was them laughing at me. & every time after I got VERY high & paranoid.
 
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Graybeard

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haha many people THINK they're not drunk and they are (just call up a couple of my buds on a saturday night). After two beers, I am drunk. That's why I only drink one. Everyone's body chemistry is different that's why it's important to know your limits.
You're right- I have no idea why people are defending an illegal drug that makes them high but goes into hysterics over x and y and z sin.
Okay, so you drink only one beer, now the question....why do you drink that one beer, for what reason do you drink it?
 
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happynGod

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not all here are from lands where it is illegal (I think)

and yeah. you don't have to be a drug addict to smoke/ eat it
You are right, it is legal in some places. Where it is legal I personally don't think it is any different than alcohol. Except alcohol is more deadly.
 
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have either of you ever eaten pot? I havent but i've watched the trip of a couple of people who did. I've seen people on an acid trip and i've seen people on a pot cookie trip. quite similar.
 
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Graybeard

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Do you people believe in demons? My uncle was shown the DEMON attached to marijuana. Believe it or not your choice, as for me, the people i know who do it can keep it off of my property and away from me. .
I'm interested in what your uncle saw, was it in a dream, a vision? can he actually describe what the demon looked like? did the demon have a name or was there any name associated with it? I ask this because I had an experience many years ago which I would like to compare.
 
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I will find out the details Greybeard & let you know.
 
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Graybeard

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I will find out the details Greybeard & let you know.
Please do I would appreciate it, this thing I experienced has bugged me for years....thanks...don't forget now:)
 
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I wont, he gave me a video faith like potatos & i'm going to call him after I watch it this afternoon. I'll definitely not forget.
 
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Maddog

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wrong zeppelin

you CAN smoke marijuana without getting high... The first time I tried it, it affected me LESS than an average cigarette!
Same here. I modified a couple of cigarettes with some cannabis and the only thing that happened was I started reclining more and more in my chair.
 
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Graybeard

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I wont, he gave me a video faith like potatos & i'm going to call him after I watch it this afternoon. I'll definitely not forget.
True story that video.....not far from where I live.
 
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Same here. I modified a couple of cigarettes with some cannabis and the only thing that happened was I started reclining more and more in my chair.
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