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And man has free will to abort or to choose right and not abort....Abortion of babies is WICKED and MURDER(who gave MAN the authority to end one's life???).....For example, It's appalling that the U.S. has sponsored multitudes of killings of babies.....It's just sickening....Remember when Cain murdered Able? Able's blood cried out to God and He heard it!(Genesis 4:8-11) Million's of baby's blood are crying out to God! And I can assure you God hears it!!!
God will not bless nations who turn from God!
God will not bless nations who turn from God!
Well someone hasn't been reading their bible... hehe... is your God the God of the bible, or is He a product of your own imagination, who operates according to the agenda of anti-abortion movement, human rights, and all this?
Don't worry about abortion, because the God of the bible ordered even born children, infants to be killed at times, and he even killed some himself when he wanted to.
Don't worry about abortion, because the God of the bible ordered even born children, infants to be killed at times, and he even killed some himself when he wanted to.
Where did I claim that you did not serve the God of the bible? Quote me. I said, do you believe in the God of the old testament? Or do oyou reject the old testament? Beacuse if you believe in the God of the old testament... it's pretty hard for you to deny that God has killed and ordered the killing of infants before.
So the answer to this question:
Do you really think that God would decide to kill an unborn baby?
Is an obvious yes.. God may decide to kill even a born baby. Do you know God's will? Do you know God's mind? You can't rule out that possibility if you claim that God is in fact God.
So the answer to this question:
Do you really think that God would decide to kill an unborn baby?
Is an obvious yes.. God may decide to kill even a born baby. Do you know God's will? Do you know God's mind? You can't rule out that possibility if you claim that God is in fact God.
I didn't read all the other posts, so this may already have been brought up , but here goes anyhow Paul was the who supposely taught us about predestition So if this be true then why would he say2ti 2:10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also OBTAIN the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
The elect is referring to the Chosen, God's chosen people have always and will always be the Jewish nation. For all Israel shall be saved. if the elect means, the predestined then why did Paul who gave us the dorctine of GRACE, say that they needed to obtain salvation. now you can't say that Paul didn't know who the elect was here. for it says very clearly that even the elect needed to obtain salvation, that even the elect has a choice to make.
the thing that really bothers me about the doctrine of Grace (predestintion) is if before time as we knew we the ones that will get in were already predetermined to be there where is the cross in the doctrine of Grace, I mean if I was already sent to hell why did Jesus have to go to the cross there was already a way for salvation and the cross has no effect
1co 1:17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none EFFECT.
The elect is referring to the Chosen, God's chosen people have always and will always be the Jewish nation. For all Israel shall be saved. if the elect means, the predestined then why did Paul who gave us the dorctine of GRACE, say that they needed to obtain salvation. now you can't say that Paul didn't know who the elect was here. for it says very clearly that even the elect needed to obtain salvation, that even the elect has a choice to make.
the thing that really bothers me about the doctrine of Grace (predestintion) is if before time as we knew we the ones that will get in were already predetermined to be there where is the cross in the doctrine of Grace, I mean if I was already sent to hell why did Jesus have to go to the cross there was already a way for salvation and the cross has no effect
1co 1:17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none EFFECT.
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The only post that seems to be most clear to me without tweaking the bible context and using playful semantics.
To people who believe in the idea of God chose specific people to go to heaven and some others to go to hell, i am assuming you guys are the chosen one who are destined to go to heaven, yes?
and if one person, no matter how hard he repent and how genuine his heart to go to Christ, since he is doomed to hell, God will not honor his repentance?
To people who believe in the idea of God chose specific people to go to heaven and some others to go to hell, i am assuming you guys are the chosen one who are destined to go to heaven, yes?
and if one person, no matter how hard he repent and how genuine his heart to go to Christ, since he is doomed to hell, God will not honor his repentance?
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God is the ALPHA and the OMEGA.....He operates outside of "time" as we know it on earth.....He knows who will ultimately choose Christ or reject Him in advance.....Which is what Baptist and I have been saying....
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
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People who have not received grace have no ability to respond to God, because they are spiritually dead. God gives grace to some and only those who have received it will ever be willing to call on Christ.
Romans 830:
Romans 830:
Those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.
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