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The Role of the Woman
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I know that we're not supposed to post secular stuff but this song is so true for me and this is how I feel about my wife.
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So.... I got this here can of worms that I just can't wait to open....may I? Pretty please may I with sun drenched flowers on top?
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...So...(starts twisting the lid) God made adam (humankind) in His own image; in the image of God he created him (<note "him")...(twisting some more)...male and female he created them...(Twisting again)...God blessed them: God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth and subdue it...(twist, twist)... So, in the image of God means male and female to subdue in unity with the opportunity to bear children (i.e. bear sons and daughters after their likeness, the likeness of God) and to live harmoniously with all of creation - a state that was compromised with the fall from Grace and which has since been restored through the perfect blood sacrifice that Jesus supplied.
Doesn't it follow then that if our innocence is restored through Christs sacrifice then isn't the original 'likeness' won back? Isn't this precisely what we're all fighting for? And when I read how before the creation of Eve, God introduces Adam to all the other wonderful creatures, whom he allows Adam to name, I see God introducing Adam to his need for someone to relate to, and so God provides Eve. It's like Adam, on meeting his wife, he says " finally! Someone I can relate to." (Dang, this can is so tough to open!) Anyway, to go on, does anyone else consider that that the serpent zooms in on Eve as the one "vulnerable" to its deception. I've heard it suggested that 'after all God instructed Adam regarding the tree and not to Eve directly',I don't hold to that, either way, the deceiver deceived Eve and she, in turn led her husband. Are women more prone to be, dare I say it, emotionally/spiritually led/manipulated into deception than men? I've heard it suggested in the world that women are naturally more emotionally/spiritually guided, anyone got a biblical ref for this suggestion?- If so in the Kingdom this can only be a plus right? But, if this is so, are women not then more in need of the covering that a focused God centred man can provide? Also, would'nt submission to the natural/spiritual order of a man over his wife also cultivate true humility in the spiritually sensitive woman? Again, is'nt Wisdom repeatedly portrayed in the feminine? And doesn't it say, Get Wisdom! (Proverbs 4:7) And, he who finds a wife finds a good thing. (Proverbs 18:22) Don't women 'help' to remind men what it is their fighting for - the reclaimation of our God given blood bought, grace abounding, Righteouness before God? Women submit to your husbands! Men, listen to your wives!
There! Phew, I opened it! Thought I might need me a man to help me open it! Please don't be mean, I genuinely want to hear what people think/know on the subject. Thanks in advance.
Doesn't it follow then that if our innocence is restored through Christs sacrifice then isn't the original 'likeness' won back? Isn't this precisely what we're all fighting for? And when I read how before the creation of Eve, God introduces Adam to all the other wonderful creatures, whom he allows Adam to name, I see God introducing Adam to his need for someone to relate to, and so God provides Eve. It's like Adam, on meeting his wife, he says " finally! Someone I can relate to." (Dang, this can is so tough to open!) Anyway, to go on, does anyone else consider that that the serpent zooms in on Eve as the one "vulnerable" to its deception. I've heard it suggested that 'after all God instructed Adam regarding the tree and not to Eve directly',I don't hold to that, either way, the deceiver deceived Eve and she, in turn led her husband. Are women more prone to be, dare I say it, emotionally/spiritually led/manipulated into deception than men? I've heard it suggested in the world that women are naturally more emotionally/spiritually guided, anyone got a biblical ref for this suggestion?- If so in the Kingdom this can only be a plus right? But, if this is so, are women not then more in need of the covering that a focused God centred man can provide? Also, would'nt submission to the natural/spiritual order of a man over his wife also cultivate true humility in the spiritually sensitive woman? Again, is'nt Wisdom repeatedly portrayed in the feminine? And doesn't it say, Get Wisdom! (Proverbs 4:7) And, he who finds a wife finds a good thing. (Proverbs 18:22) Don't women 'help' to remind men what it is their fighting for - the reclaimation of our God given blood bought, grace abounding, Righteouness before God? Women submit to your husbands! Men, listen to your wives!
There! Phew, I opened it! Thought I might need me a man to help me open it! Please don't be mean, I genuinely want to hear what people think/know on the subject. Thanks in advance.
You have interesting thoughts...I guess can sort of see what you're saying but I guess I don't like how men have abused this and the fact that there is no protection for women from men who are SUPPOSED to protect them...
I also think that many times women can be the ones to do the guiding because like you said wisdom is talked about in the feminine sense and what does wisdom do? It guides..so I guess I just don't understand why women can't be looked on as equals?
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she posted a lot of what scripture says, and yes, there is scripture for what she requested, btw.
however, to say women have no protection from men who are SUPPOSED to protect them is very unbiblical.... in the sense that GOD HIMSELF has often provided protection for women and men and children who trust HIM, even if they still suffered and died (which Jesus says to His disciples WILL HAPPEN if they chose to follow HIM).
a much more gentle description of GOD'S WAY , from Scripture, is in marabal's books "total joy" and "the total woman" which a multitude of women have found not just helpful but saved their marriage and their sanity and THEIR FAITH in GOD.
GOD'S WORD is TRUE. GOD'S WORD is FAITHFUL.
man , women, and mankind,(society) is bad.
GOD IS GOOD.
i.e. only trust GOD HIMSELF, HE promises in HIS WORD, over and over and over again, HE WILL NEVER, never, NEVER forsake you or disappoint you who trust in HIM.
Hebrews 13:1-6Amplified Bible (AMP)
13 Let love for your fellow believers continue and be a fixed practice with you [never let it fail].
2 Do not forget or neglect or refuse to extend hospitality to strangers [in the brotherhood—being friendly, cordial, and gracious, sharing the comforts of your home and doing your part generously], for through it some have entertained angels without knowing it.
3 Remember those who are in prison as if you were their fellow prisoner, and those who are ill-treated, since you also are liable to bodily sufferings.
4 Let marriage be held in honor (esteemed worthy, precious, of great price, and especially dear) in all things. And thus let the marriage bed be undefiled (kept undishonored); for God will judge and punish the unchaste [all guilty of sexual vice] and adulterous.
5 Let your [a]character or moral disposition be free from love of money [including greed, avarice, lust, and craving for earthly possessions] and be satisfied with your present [circumstances and with what you have]; for He [God] Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you nor [c]give you up nor leave you without support. [I will] not, [d][I will] not, [I will] not in any degree leave you helpless nor forsake nor [e]let [you] down ([f]relax My hold on you)! [[g]Assuredly not!]
6 So we take comfort and are encouraged and confidently and boldly say, The Lord is my Helper; I will not be seized with alarm [I will not fear or dread or be terrified]. What can man do to me?
Footnotes:
1. Hebrews 13:5 Marvin Vincent, Word Studies.
2. Hebrews 13:5 Marvin Vincent, Word Studies.
3. Hebrews 13:5 Marvin Vincent, Word Studies.
4. Hebrews 13:5 Kenneth Wuest, Word Studies: Three negatives precede the verb.
5. Hebrews 13:5 Kenneth Wuest, Word Studies: Three negatives precede the verb.
6. Hebrews 13:5 Marvin Vincent, Word Studies.
7. Hebrews 13:5 Alexander Souter, Pocket Lexicon.
Cross references:
1. Hebrews 13:2 : Gen. 18:1-8; 19:1-3.
2. Hebrews 13:5 : Josh. 1:5.
3. Hebrews 13:6 : Ps. 27:1; 118:6.
Amplified Bible (AMP)
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No. I already said it...... but since it was apparently misunderstood, here it is again:
Congratulations..... no one else wants to talk about this thread anymore except you & your disagreeing friends. BTW, this seems to me to be nothing more than biblical disinformation..... not worth diddly.
This thread must be very important to Satan to try to burn christians against it..... busted!"
satan, eh? perhaps if he can get (has gotten?) the women to eat the apple again.... and the men to follow.... that would explain a lot.....
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Yes you did.
And it's as useless as it was the first time.
Thank you for your contribution.
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Originally Posted by Stephen63
Congratulations..... no one else wants to talk about this thread anymore except you & your disagreeing friends. BTW, this seems to me to be nothing more than biblical disinformation..... not worth diddly.
This thread must be very important to Satan to try to burn christians against it..... busted!"
satan, eh? perhaps if he can get (has gotten?) the women to eat the apple again.... and the men to follow.... that would explain a lot.....
You're part right...."nobody wants to talk about this thread anymore" is right ......but you left off the "with you" part.
I don't think so... we still have the knowledge of good and evil...
great post, and I want to say I'm all for full participation in church stuff for women and men.
sometimes I like to imagine how I would handle the current situation if I were a woman... if I were in a church that limited the role of women...
I think I would say You need sunday school teachers? don't ask me, I'm not allowed to teach... need someone to work in the church kitchen? again, I'm so easily decieved I might lead someone astray even there... look what happened when Eve served food...
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How about we take the verses that has to do with this subject and discuss them?
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well, I like to look at 1 tim 2
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+tim+2&version=NASB
we see that men's role is stuff like praying, giving thanks, lifting up holy hands...
women's role is stuff like dressing right, be taught with complete submissiveness, and be preserved by having kids...
does this sound right to you? it doesn't to me... maybe it's kind of like slavery... what maybe made sense in Paul's day doesn't today...
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Well, I'm gonna put my brave cape on today and dive in. This is my second post here, so this probably isn't the smartest move.
Women's role in what? Church? Marriage? Family?
There's many roles actually and women are held in high esteem in the bible. Men was made from dirt (no offense guys) and woman was made from man. To live along side him. We are created to be a helpmeet for him. Now most men love to take one or two verses and pound them over a pulpit about submission. Scripture says eph 5:22 that wives submit to your OWN husband.....uhh hmmm (clearing throat) not all men.
Our role over all? Is that of a man....seek God in all we do.
Women's role in what? Church? Marriage? Family?
There's many roles actually and women are held in high esteem in the bible. Men was made from dirt (no offense guys) and woman was made from man. To live along side him. We are created to be a helpmeet for him. Now most men love to take one or two verses and pound them over a pulpit about submission. Scripture says eph 5:22 that wives submit to your OWN husband.....uhh hmmm (clearing throat) not all men.
Our role over all? Is that of a man....seek God in all we do.
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So then none of the bible should make sense today as in Paul's day. You can't pick and choose what fits today and what doesn't. Either the Bible is truth or it isn't. So lets just allow sex before marriage, adultery, idolatry, murder etc... Your stance doesn't make sense unless you believe this true throughout everything in the bible
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