Unspotted form the world (James 1:27)

[notuptome]

So you want me to believe that you are sinless? Tell me how did you rid your physical body of all sin? You are now of course free from all physical corruptions. Man that must be nice, no more body odor in fact you do not even sweat.

The soul is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ and made free from the condemnation of sin. The body of flesh awaits it's change at either death or the return of the Lord Jesus.

Until both body and soul are made new we are subject to the presence of sin and the temptation to yield which is the weakness of the flesh. Hunger, thirst and fatigue can only be resisted for just so long then we must yield to satisfy them. Any or all of them can distract us from our love and devotion to God even if only for a brief time.

Just what we need another thread on sinlessness by those who do not comprehend it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Joidevivre]

People who start threads like this really have no inner peace themselves. They will always carry around in themselves the great burden of never quite getting to their own sinlessness. It can only keep them in a bondage of guilt. And unable to really enjoy the great freedom and mercy of that which Christ has suffered out of love for them.

Forgetting the words of Christ: "Blessed are the spiritually poor - the kingdom of heaven is theirs."
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness - they will be filled."

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Galatians 2:17-18[SUP] "[/SUP]But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor."

 

[Jeff_56]

how do you become unspotted from the world?

the first step is complete repentance from sin. calling on the Name of the Lord Jesus for His salvation, being immersed in His Name, then living a clean life (according to Scripture).

that means not dwelling in a house that wants to sin,
but dwelling in a house that is set apart for God in Jesus.

then , if sin occurs, as happens often, there are 'remedies' in God's Word for that.

but for someone who WANTS TO SIN, there is no remedy or help in Scripture.....

living a holy (set apart) life as defined and explained by God, is necessary and possible according to His Word, by faith in Jesus.... and sheer grace...

again, all of this is plainly and clearly set forth in HIS WORD, both in the OT and in the NT.

from many posts on this forum, most people have never read HIS WORD and from some who have they deny HIS WORD because they aren't willing to believe HIM.
(they say you can't live a holy life; thus they directly oppose GOD'S WORD and Jesus Faithfulness) ....

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

From the way you are speaking, I take it that you are sinless somehow?

Christians are holy and righteous not because of ourselves, but because we have been declared such through the blood of Jesus.

Please see Hebrews 10:10, 14, 13:12 and Romans 3:22.

That's why we are commanded to "put on" Christ. (Romans 13:14)

If today's christians really would be followers of the Lord Jesus, then the situation of the world would be very different, than it is now, because if a man put his hope to the Lord Jesus, he will purify him self like he is pure.

So it is not about some mystical pureness like the people's of today seems claim, where they say that they are pure trough Jesus's bod, but they do sin.

That is hypocrisy, and no one will win anything by practicing that kind of way, because it is the way according to the flesh, if you live in lies, but say that you are pure.

Honest seek it is, were we have to set our way and heart, if we wish to find.

Do not deceive your selves

 

[Skinski7]

My friend, I must be off to get ready for work, but allow me to leave you with a verse I posted earlier. Paul wrote:

"This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief." (1 Timothy 1:15)

Notice he said "I am" not "I was". This, of course, was written after his conversion to Christ.

Please bear that in mind.

Have a blessed day.

Yet the context of "I am chief" is...

1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Why would you remove verse 15 from its context and then use it as a proof text to argue in favour of ongoing wickedness?

People like you ignore the very plain meaning of scripture and instead take very select verses which you isolate from their context in order to argue in favour of sinning. Is that not a devious and wicked thing to do?

The Bible argues in favour of righteousness, not sinning. From cover to cover is the instruction to turn from evil and do good.

Yet you argue in favour of unrighteousness and ongoing sinning. Somehow you believe in this notion that "trusting in something" gives you a license to sin without condemnation.

Is that all salvation is to you? A sin license?

A license is something granted by a power of authority by which people can engage in an activity that otherwise would be unlawful.

Rebellion to God is unlawful, yet many teach this thing they call "Christianity" in which they think they can keep engaging in rebellion and yet do it without condemnation because they "believe in Jesus." It is such a ludicrous concept and Jesus did not teach anything remotely close to such a thing.

 

[Skinski7]

So you want me to believe that you are sinless? Tell me how did you rid your physical body of all sin? You are now of course free from all physical corruptions. Man that must be nice, no more body odor in fact you do not even sweat.

Body odor and physical corruption are not sin.

I clearly stated in a previous post that I am speaking of "rebellion" to God. In other words the willful "doing" of what one knows to be evil.

Why would you attempt to define sin in a context where you include "body odour"?

Did Jesus say "go stink no more"?

Does the Bible teach "abstain from perspiration"?

This is ridiculous. We all know what "choosing to do evil" and "selfishness" is.

The soul is cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ and made free from the condemnation of sin. The body of flesh awaits it's change at either death or the return of the Lord Jesus.

Until both body and soul are made new we are subject to the presence of sin and the temptation to yield which is the weakness of the flesh. Hunger, thirst and fatigue can only be resisted for just so long then we must yield to satisfy them. Any or all of them can distract us from our love and devotion to God even if only for a brief time.

Your claim is that no one can resist the temptation to sin. Yet Jesus resisted it and He calls upon us to resist it too.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The Bible teaches that God will not suffer us to be tempted above that which we are able and will always make a way of escape that we should take it.

Yet you contend that we cannot take that way of escape every time. Why not? You must not believe we have the ability to exercise choice and act.

Basically you are saying that no-one can obey God. Thus if no-one can obey God then no-one has to obey God. Yet the Bible speaks of obeying God throughout. Your religion is clearly not of the Bible.

Just what we need another thread on sinlessness by those who do not comprehend it.

Comprehend what? Comprehend that everyone will always be evil whilst in a flesh body?

The Gnostics taught that lie. Why are you upholding Gnostic views?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The cause of Christ?

The same Christ that commanded people to "go and sin no more"?

The same Christ that taught, "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God."

You obviously have a very different Christ than the one written in the Bible.

I would urge you read the words of Jesus and yield to them for that is where you will find abundant life.

 

[Skinski7]

People who start threads like this really have no inner peace themselves.

Is that an actual fact?

If one urges others to be unspotted from the world and thus abstain from all evil it reveals one has no inner peace? What is your basis for that claim?

They will always carry around in themselves the great burden of never quite getting to their own sinlessness. It can only keep them in a bondage of guilt.

Says who? You?

If one is contending that people remain unspotted from the world and abstain from fleshly lusts it means they are carrying around a burden of being wicked? They are in bondage to guilt?

Honestly where does that kind of thinking come from? Instead of addressing the actual substance presented you resort to attacking the messenger and accusing them that they are actually filthy and in bondage.

What is this? High school?

And unable to really enjoy the great freedom and mercy of that which Christ has suffered out of love for them.

You mean enjoy the freedom and mercy found in the sin cloak you believe in that you think gives you a license to keep sinning.

Surely that is exactly what you mean. People like you argue in favour of the ongoing engagement in wickedness and yet you also proclaim that you have "freedom" because the blood of Jesus cloaks you as you engage in wickedness.

Isn't that right? Correct me if I am wrong.

It seems clear to me you are arguing in favour of SINFULNESS THAT NEVER ENDS and that the "freedom" you speak of is found in "trusting Jesus." Thus the difference between the wicked person who "trust in Jesus" and the wicked person who does not "trust in Jesus" is simply that "those who trust" have a CLOAK for the ongoing wickedness.

Forgetting the words of Christ: "Blessed are the spiritually poor - the kingdom of heaven is theirs."
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness - they will be filled."

That is not all Jesus said. Jesus also said blessed are the PURE IN HEART for they shall see God.

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was not arguing in favour of ongoing wickedness in His followers. Jesus was teaching about the brokenness wrought by a genuine repentance and the yielding to God it produces.

Paul spoke of it like this...

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

Godly sorrow, being poor in spirit, and hungering and thirsting after righteousness are associated concepts in the Bible. There is no ongoing wickedness is such things, the evil stops. God sets us free from sin, He doesn't leave us enslaved to its service.

 

[Utah]

From the way you are speaking, I take it that you are sinless somehow?

You better get some antacids because this nonsense gets pretty sickening.

 

[notuptome]

Body odor and physical corruption are not sin.

I clearly stated in a previous post that I am speaking of "rebellion" to God. In other words the willful "doing" of what one knows to be evil.

Why would you attempt to define sin in a context where you include "body odour"?

Did Jesus say "go stink no more"?

Does the Bible teach "abstain from perspiration"?

This is ridiculous. We all know what "choosing to do evil" and "selfishness" is.

Simply demonstrating that the consequences of sin is upon the physical body. To be sinless one must receive a new body like Christ's body. You are not unspotted from the world while you abide in this vile body of flesh. One a perfect as you should already know this.

Your claim is that no one can resist the temptation to sin. Yet Jesus resisted it and He calls upon us to resist it too.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

The Bible teaches that God will not suffer us to be tempted above that which we are able and will always make a way of escape that we should take it.

Yet you contend that we cannot take that way of escape every time. Why not? You must not believe we have the ability to exercise choice and act.

Basically you are saying that no-one can obey God. Thus if no-one can obey God then no-one has to obey God. Yet the Bible speaks of obeying God throughout. Your religion is clearly not of the Bible.

Clearly you cannot resist the temptation to condemn others. You are servant to the passions of the flesh. There will be times when you will choose to sin.

Comprehend what? Comprehend that everyone will always be evil whilst in a flesh body?

The Gnostics taught that lie. Why are you upholding Gnostic views?

Straw man accuse and accuse but do not address the inescapable reality that while in the body of flesh you sin. Why did God leave us in the body of flesh? Why didn't God just take us up into heaven the moment we received Christ and were born again?

The cause of Christ?

The same Christ that commanded people to "go and sin no more"?

The same Christ that taught, "blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God."

You obviously have a very different Christ than the one written in the Bible.

I would urge you read the words of Jesus and yield to them for that is where you will find abundant life.

You miss the reason, the understanding of why Christ said to go and sin no more. Why does Christ set so high a standard for our obedience? Why must we continue to struggle against sin? Why not just give us the measure of strength that Christ had so that He could go 40 days without food and not sin?

Your religion is a million miles wide but not an inch deep.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Joidevivre]

I'm overwhelmed at how truth can be so distorted... and I can see why most of the strong, mature Christians no longer answer postings that point the finger at how wrong we are. It just took me longer. But, I pray for this man to find love in Christ, and to begin preaching more about mercy and forgiveness.

For mercy triumphs over judgment - The bible tells me so.

 

[Utah]

I'm overwhelmed at how truth can be so distorted... and I can see why most of the strong, mature Christians no longer answer postings that point the finger at how wrong we are. It just took me longer. But, I pray for this man to find love in Christ, and to begin preaching more about mercy and forgiveness.

For mercy triumphs over judgment - The bible tells me so.

Amen to this, my Sister! Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I say rejoice!

 

[Blain]

27. Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. (James 1:27)

So the pure way to serve God is, practice righteous, and cover our selves, so that the wold do not contaminate our values, like we may see that has already happen in worlds christianity, and that why the love is shallow, and christians are not holy and pure, and you keep sinning, and finding a way for you sinful life.

This is a call for true repentance, in the Lord Jesus Christ.

I will pay you 50 dollars to make a thread about something other than not sinning. jk I don't have fifty dollars but you get my gist, not trying to be mean so sorry if it came across that way

 

[MikkoAinasoja]

I will pay you 50 dollars to make a thread about something other than not sinning. jk I don't have fifty dollars but you get my gist, not trying to be mean so sorry if it came across that way

1. I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2. preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3. For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; (2 tim 4:1-3)

And what are you think that you may achieve if you finally find a teacher for you, whom say what you want to hear, but not what you need to hear?

17. He is in the way of life that heedeth correction; But he that forsaketh reproof erreth. (Proverb 10:17)

 

[Jeff_56]

I will pay you 50 dollars to make a thread about something other than not sinning. jk I don't have fifty dollars but you get my gist, not trying to be mean so sorry if it came across that way

noted.

perhaps because he doesn't show simply from GOD'S WORD how to be entirely free of the power of sin ? after all, there is great joy in the OT and in the NT to all those who GOD does not hold their sin against them ! GREAT JOY, PEACE, and RIGHTEOUSNESS all gifts from GOD along with SALVATION in JESUS....
also,
there's the not so little matter that he points out, somewhat if not perfectly accurately, that most men will openly tell you that you cannot be free from sin. (a lie from satan)....

so keep searching diligently GOD'S WORD, to see what GOD SAYS, and not what he or I or anyone else says ---- HE (GOD HIMSELF) Promises freedom from sin and from all the consequences of sin (for those HE chooses) , through grace by faith in JESUS, freely given....

 

[Budman]

Yet the context of "I am chief" is...





1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

And yet you completely gloss over the fact that Paul said "I AM" the chief of sinners.

I am = present tense.

May I ask you: Do you believe that once a person who has been saved sins, they immediately lose their salvation?

 

[Budman]

they say you can't live a holy life; thus they directly oppose GOD'S WORD and Jesus Faithfulness

To live a Holy life, you must be perfect, as our heavenly Father is perfect. You have to keep all of His Commandments and Laws. Are you perfect in thought, word, and deed? Do you keep every single one of God's Commandments and never stumble over any? Do you love God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength, every second of every day?

If you answered "no" to any of those questions - guess what - you have failed to live a Holy life.

God gets all of the glory for our imputed holiness - not us.

 

[Reborn]

27. Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. (James 1:27)

So the pure way to serve God is, practice righteous, and cover our selves, so that the wold do not contaminate our values, like we may see that has already happen in worlds christianity, and that why the love is shallow, and christians are not holy and pure, and you keep sinning, and finding a way for you sinful life.

This is a call for true repentance, in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 45:4

Revelation 14
James 1:1
Revelation 7
Romans 11

IMO, here's a good start. Check it out. I know, it's homework, sorry.
.....of course l can provide many, many more verses from here, if need be?

Remember what Jesus told the Pharisees in Matthew 23? What is He basically saying to them? Yes?
IMO, It's overall message does apply to these threads and that special kind of teaching that you and a few others do here.

Not thinking too higly of ourselves, is an awesome start to us falling at the Lords feet, and asking Him to guide us to His truth. We need Him.
Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Jeff_56]

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on the earth.”In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

you should get out more....

 

[Reborn]

Revelation 18:24
In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on the earth.”In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

you should get out more....

Speaking of context, Jeffie.
You should trying make sense once in awhile.
Helps the reader understand your point a little better.