Gifts - "Dreams"

[Miri]

Incidentally a few people have referred to dreams from
demonic sources and should not open up yourself to that
as if saying, you have Godly dreams means they must be
from satan.

There is a difference there too, wherever there is a work
of God there is a counterfeit work of the devil. We see that
over and over again in the Bible.

I have experenced these counterfeit dreams on a couple
of occasions. The colours are very dark and sickly lurid
green, blacks, washed out colours, not the same as the
vivid bright colours of a Godly dream. The Devils
counterfeit work can never quite match the true work of
God.


When I have woken up I have felt my heart racing and
a sense of dread. Almost the same as a nightmare but
not quite the same. There is a sinister feeling about them.
They also tend to twist and distort biblical truths.

I have known instantly they are not from God and the
true source of these. Fortunately they have been few
and far between.

I suspect that many who say they don't believe in spiritual
dreams and that all dreams are just regular dreams, have
experienced these satanic ones without realising it.

 

[breno785au]

I personally believe that those kinds of gifts ended with the Apostolic age.

We have all we need to know contained in the Scriptures.

I personally wouldn't consider it much of a relationship if my father handed me a book and said "This is all you need to know about me, cya." And had no other communication.

 

[wincam]

I personally wouldn't consider it much of a relationship if my father handed me a book and said "This is all you need to know about me, cya." And had no other communication.

how about if you would not listen every time he spoke to you and indeed threatened to kill him as they did with the prophets of old and with Christ - wincam

 

[breno785au]

how about if you would not listen every time he spoke to you and indeed threatened to kill him as they did with the prophets of old and with Christ - wincam

Huh??

10char

 

[wincam]

how about if you would not listen every time he spoke to you and indeed threatened to kill him as they did with the prophets of old and with Christ - see Heb.1:1-2 - the word of God who was incarnate and dwelt among us left usHis word/s in the Bible - wincam

 

[Budman]

Where in the bible does it say that God would stop pouring his spirit in ppl and giving dreams and visions? I have never read the bible saying that this was meant only for the apostolic age that you speak of also what makes you think that age has ended?

Because it is not needed. As far as prophecy goes, we know how it all ends, so what further prophecies do we require?

Healing, raising people from the dead, casting out demons, etc., were done to validate the message of the gospel the Apostles were proclaiming.

We now have God's written word. We have no further need to validate His message with such signs. That's why Jesus said, "blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe."

Now, I'm not saying that God doesn't heal, or perform other miracles based on His will - but it is through prayer, and not by simply proclaiming it as the Apostles did.

 

[Budman]

I personally wouldn't consider it much of a relationship if my father handed me a book and said "This is all you need to know about me, cya." And had no other communication.

Where was that said? This is in regard to prophetic dreams and visions. The Bible gives us the story from beginning to end - what more is needed to know?

 

[ember]

Because it is not needed. As far as prophecy goes, we know how it all ends, so what further prophecies do we require?

Healing, raising people from the dead, casting out demons, etc., were done to validate the message of the gospel the Apostles were proclaiming.

We now have God's written word. We have no further need to validate His message with such signs. That's why Jesus said, "blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe."

Now, I'm not saying that God doesn't heal, or perform other miracles based on His will - but it is through prayer, and not by simply proclaiming it as the Apostles did.

Because it is not needed

God help you when you do NEED 'IT'

big news...Jesus 'got prayed up' (no I'm not Pentecostal) every morning...EARLY...and the disciples and early believers also prayed for all things

prayer is communication with God....its a two way communication

some people's lines are plugged though because, well, they think God is no longer personal

you sure do not know very much for someone who claims you have all the answers

God may have done baked the cake for you personally, but He is still putting some really tasty icing on mine

 

[wincam]

God help you when you do NEED 'IT'

big news...Jesus 'got prayed up' (no I'm not Pentecostal) every morning...EARLY...and the disciples and early believers also prayed for all things

prayer is communication with God....its a two way communication

some people's lines are plugged though because, well, they think God is no longer personal

you sure do not know very much for someone who claims you have all the answers

God may have done baked the cake for you personally, but He is still putting some really tasty icing on mine

oh yeah - a bit like the Germans praying to God for victory and we praying to God for victory over the Germans - a bit like praying to the devil or a devilish prayer - wincam

 

[Budman]

God help you when you do NEED 'IT'

big news...Jesus 'got prayed up' (no I'm not Pentecostal) every morning...EARLY...and the disciples and early believers also prayed for all things

prayer is communication with God....its a two way communication

some people's lines are plugged though because, well, they think God is no longer personal

you sure do not know very much for someone who claims you have all the answers

God may have done baked the cake for you personally, but He is still putting some really tasty icing on mine

What I meant by that is; further revelation is not required because we have all we need contained in the Scriptures.

I don't ever recall saying I personally had all the answers. If I somehow projected that - I apologize.

 

[wincam]

what devious route has brought us here without anyone answering the question about black and white or colour or what dreams are really trying to tell us - perhaps it seems we don't really want to know because it means waking up whilst we prefer to sleep and dream - wincam

 

[ember]

What I meant by that is; further revelation is not required because we have all we need contained in the Scriptures.

I don't ever recall saying I personally had all the answers. If I somehow projected that - I apologize.

well, when someone says they do not need anything but their Bible, I understand that to mean they have all the answers,
so in a way, I was being somewhat sarcastic....sorry

hmmm....so do you associate the spiritual gifts with further revelation only?

Because it is not needed. As far as prophecy goes, we know how it all ends, so what further prophecies do we require?

Healing, raising people from the dead, casting out demons, etc., were done to validate the message of the gospel the Apostles were proclaiming.

We now have God's written word. We have no further need to validate His message with such signs. That's why Jesus said, "blessed are those who have not seen, yet believe."

I get the impression that you are a cessationist? (meaning you do not believe the Holy Spirit is still acting as we read in Scripture...not saying this in a demeaning way...but would appreciate clarification)

Thanks

 

[ember]

oh yeah - a bit like the Germans praying to God for victory and we praying to God for victory over the Germans - a bit like praying to the devil or a devilish prayer - wincam

let me cut to the chase here

go fry ice

oh no...let's pretend I did not write that...it's cold...even to you

you sound very jaded...and not just a bit sarcastic

you also seem to be stuck in WWII...there are many current conflicts from which to choose

 

[wincam]

well, when someone says they do not need anything but their Bible, I understand that to mean they have all the answers,
so in a way, I was being somewhat sarcastic....sorry

hmmm....so do you associate the spiritual gifts with further revelation only?



I get the impression that you are a cessationist? (meaning you do not believe the Holy Spirit is still acting as we read in Scripture...not saying this in a demeaning way...but would appreciate clarification)

Thanks

as an aside and excuse the butting in but what is glaringly obvious is that the unholy spirit is very active imho - wincam

 

[Joshua_Generation]

I personally believe that those kinds of gifts ended with the Apostolic age.

We have all we need to know contained in the Scriptures.

SO I have some missionary friends that would love to do coffee with you at some point.

They go where there are no printed Bibles in the native tongue and boy do they have some stories that would blow your mind and bless your spirit!

 

[wincam]

let me cut to the chase here

go fry ice

oh no...let's pretend I did not write that...it's cold...even to you

you sound very jaded...and not just a bit sarcastic

you also seem to be stuck in WWII...there are many current conflicts from which to choose

I have been trying to cut to the chase on my previous post but still no response one knows not why - wincam

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Indeed. During the Apostolic age.


What prophecies can anyone give in our age that we can add to the Scriptures? To say "thus sayeth the Lord" makes whatever we "propecy" the actual Word of God, i.e., "Scripture". We are commanded not to add to the Scriptures.

What information not already contained in the Bible do we need?

The Bible says: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness. So that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." (2 Timothy 3:17)

We don't require any extra-biblical information.

Did I mention there are people groups in the world today, that do not have a written copy of the Bible or NT in their native language. I wonder how those missionaries reach those people groups?

I actually went on trip once with one such missionary and we were witness to an Elijah Mt. Carmel experience. This happened just a few years ago.

A young teenage native girl in a village came down with a fatal fever. SO the villeinage leaders came to our missionaries asked them if Jesus could do anything. Before that could be answered the area medicine man came up with his black majick bag. He was telling the village people we were no good, that God and Jesus could do nothing for her, only his payers and potions would work.

So not wanting to be rude, our missionary friends asked the medicine man if they could share a story with him, his assistants and all the village, the MM granted this as did the elders of the village.

The missionaries told them the story of Jarius daughter. Everyone one was amazed but the MM, he told the story of pharaohs magicians and how Moses failed. He left out the part of Moses rod turning into a snake and eating the other 2 snakes.

So the missionaries said, hey the girl is dying, we give you 2 hours to pray and do whatever you can to save her, under the condition when you are done,w e get to Pray to our God and do the same.

Exactly 2hours and 15 minutes later a young girl, who was near death, was walking around and eating after missionaries prayed for her.

The missionaries then told everyone including the MM and his assistants about eh Story of Elijah on Mt. Carmel...the whole village including the MM and his assistants received Jesus!

That MM is now a head of a church today in another village.

Romans 10.17 says:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Do not ever assume the world is your view of it! Many Christians do and people are goign to hell, because of it!

 

[Joshua_Generation]

who determines the idle mind?

Roger does

 

[wincam]

Did I mention there are people groups in the world today, that do not have a written copy of the Bible or NT in their native language. I wonder how those missionaries reach those people groups?

I actually went on trip once with one such missionary and we were witness to an Elijah Mt. Carmel experience. This happened just a few years ago.

A young teenage native girl in a village came down with a fatal fever. SO the villeinage leaders came to our missionaries asked them if Jesus could do anything. Before that could be answered the area medicine man came up with his black majick bag. He was telling the village people we were no good, that God and Jesus could do nothing for her, only his payers and potions would work.

So not wanting to be rude, our missionary friends asked the medicine man if they could share a story with him, his assistants and all the village, the MM granted this as did the elders of the village.

The missionaries told them the story of Jarius daughter. Everyone one was amazed but the MM, he told the story of pharaohs magicians and how Moses failed. He left out the part of Moses rod turning into a snake and eating the other 2 snakes.

So the missionaries said, hey the girl is dying, we give you 2 hours to pray and do whatever you can to save her, under the condition when you are done,w e get to Pray to our God and do the same.

Exactly 2hours and 15 minutes later a young girl, who was near death, was walking around and eating after missionaries prayed for her.

The missionaries then told everyone including the MM and his assistants about eh Story of Elijah on Mt. Carmel...the whole village including the MM and his assistants received Jesus!

That MM is now a head of a church today in another village.

Romans 10.17 says:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

Do not ever assume the world is your view of it! Many Christians do and people are goign to hell, because of it!

the magic as Jesus has told us is to simply simply believe and even Jesus could not help those who did not or could not simply believe and He also told us that to simply simply believe is simply very gifficult if not simply impossible for some if not most adults - wincam

 

[Joshua_Generation]

many talk about having an open mind - but this can be dangerous if open to devils and human demons who know how to mesmerise and indoctrinate or radicalise - wincam

You and Roger love to go to great lengths about how our minds should be in Christ and other things.

So a simple question,
If you guys have the mind of Christ and believe in what you preach to others, then why are you so worried about the devil getting a hold of you and your renewed mind?

The Bible says strong meat belongs to those who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

The devil has no power over me or my mind, because I have this mind which was in Christ Jesus.