When does the rapture occur?
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Have a good look at all those doctorates, VCO.
Find any Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Berkeley, Oxford, Cambridge etc ?
Most seem to be from tin-pot little biased, navel-gazing "campuses" which make no pretence of genuine theology or comparative religion.
About a week after first coming online about 15 years ago, I became a 'Bishop' of some upstart 'church' in California.
Took about half an hour.
(" Please send $1000 for Diploma, vestments and such"
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Find any Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown, Berkeley, Oxford, Cambridge etc ?
Most seem to be from tin-pot little biased, navel-gazing "campuses" which make no pretence of genuine theology or comparative religion.
About a week after first coming online about 15 years ago, I became a 'Bishop' of some upstart 'church' in California.
Took about half an hour.
(" Please send $1000 for Diploma, vestments and such"
)Please show me any passage where both returns of Christ are discussed in a single passage or any passage where a distinction is made between two separate returns. You can't because they don't exist. The only distinction is in your head. Paul tells everyone to watch for the Second Coming. Why would he do that if there was an earlier rapture to watch for first?
To VCO, your comments about fast Rapture, slow Second Coming... Please tell me you are joking. There are multiple passages that clearly identify the Second Coming as a Thief in the Night. The word "quickly" is also associated with His Second Coming.
Here are examples of His Second Coming AKA Day of the LORD, not rapture, is being compared to a "thief" meaning "they are surprised and not ready" and Him coming "quickly."
Matthew 24:43
But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
Here are examples of the Lord "coming quickly."
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
Revelation 22:7
“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation 22:12
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
The above are all Second Coming passages. If you think even one describes an earlier rapture return then you just admitted that both returns are "thief/quick" returns.
To VCO, your comments about fast Rapture, slow Second Coming... Please tell me you are joking. There are multiple passages that clearly identify the Second Coming as a Thief in the Night. The word "quickly" is also associated with His Second Coming.
Here are examples of His Second Coming AKA Day of the LORD, not rapture, is being compared to a "thief" meaning "they are surprised and not ready" and Him coming "quickly."
Matthew 24:43
But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.
1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
Revelation 3:3
Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.
Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
Here are examples of the Lord "coming quickly."
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
Revelation 22:7
“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
Revelation 22:12
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
The above are all Second Coming passages. If you think even one describes an earlier rapture return then you just admitted that both returns are "thief/quick" returns.
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So you say,
but I will stick with the Theologians that teach otherwise, including the President of the Master's College, and the Master's Seminary - Dr. John MacAurther; Dallas Theological Seminary Professors (like J. Dwight Pentecost, Charles Ryrie, Merrill Unger, and John F. Walvoord); and Graduates like Chuck Swindoll and J. Vernon McGee, One of the Founders of Campus Crusade for Christ - Dr. Grant C. Richison; Past Presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention - like Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Homer Edwin Young, and Dr. Adrian Rogers; Dr. Zola Levitt; Moody Bible Institute; Dr. Gil Rugh - Indian Hills Community Church; Dr. John Ankerberg; Dr. David Hocking; Dr. David Hunt; etc.; etc.
You can keep your anti-Rapture, Post Trib Theories; I am quite at peace with GOD listening to the above learned Theologians explain a Pre-Trib Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven; plus the Holy Spirit in me, confirms the very same thing.
but I will stick with the Theologians that teach otherwise, including the President of the Master's College, and the Master's Seminary - Dr. John MacAurther; Dallas Theological Seminary Professors (like J. Dwight Pentecost, Charles Ryrie, Merrill Unger, and John F. Walvoord); and Graduates like Chuck Swindoll and J. Vernon McGee, One of the Founders of Campus Crusade for Christ - Dr. Grant C. Richison; Past Presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention - like Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Homer Edwin Young, and Dr. Adrian Rogers; Dr. Zola Levitt; Moody Bible Institute; Dr. Gil Rugh - Indian Hills Community Church; Dr. John Ankerberg; Dr. David Hocking; Dr. David Hunt; etc.; etc.
You can keep your anti-Rapture, Post Trib Theories; I am quite at peace with GOD listening to the above learned Theologians explain a Pre-Trib Calling Out of the Bride to go to the Wedding of the Lamb in Heaven; plus the Holy Spirit in me, confirms the very same thing.
The first 7 weeks (49 years) were from when the command to rebuild Jerusalem until completion.
The next 62 weeks (434 years) were from then until Christ began His ministry.
The final week (7 years) Messiah was cut off after 3.5 years or in the middle of the week.
He began His ministry at the start of the 70th week. He ministered for 3.5 years then came the Cross.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
When Christ died, in the middle of the week, he brought an end to animal sacrifice and offerings. We he died, Christ gave His People a new covenant and took away the need for animal sacrifices. What then is the new covenant?
Matthew 26:28
For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Romans 11:27
For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Hebrews 7:22
by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.
Here is your break. It lasts 37 years then picks up with Titus in AD 70.
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Titus, did just that in AD 70. Titus came and his troops destroyed the Holy City and Temple.
The end of it shall be with a flood.
A flood of Roman solders. What happened next?
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
The Jewish people scattered beginning in AD 70 and concluded with Masada in AD 73 ending the war and thus finishing the 70 weeks of Daniel.
When was the Kingdom of God established? It was during the Roman Empire and it was specifically with the Crucifixion of Christ.
Dan 2:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
Clearly, Daniel was talking about the fantastic event of the Cross, which was the decisive battle that defeated Satan. This is the cause of Judah's desolation of AD 70:
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
The Abominations of Israel has caused the LORD GOD to make their land desolate, not the AntiChrist in this chapter:
Ezek 33:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For I will make the land most desolate, her arrogant strength shall cease, and the mountains of Israel shall be so desolate that no one will pass through. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Then they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have made the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.”’
This ends Daniel 9. The prophesy of this Chapter has been fully filfilled. However, do not confuse Daniel 9 with Dan 11 or 12 where the Abomination of Desolation is discussed.
You left out what really matters. . .faith and knowledge of the word of God.
Proving nothing. . .apart from your own experience.
About a week after first coming online about 15 years ago, I became a 'Bishop' of some upstart 'church' in California.
Took about half an hour.
(" Please send $1000 for Diploma, vestments and such")
Took about half an hour.
(" Please send $1000 for Diploma, vestments and such"
)
Think about this for a moment...
The fact that "every eye shall see Him" - means that - at that moment - no one on earth will be asleep.
Also - the 'rapture' will be seen by all -- and they will all instantly know what is happening...
"Praise the Lord!"
The fact that "every eye shall see Him" - means that - at that moment - no one on earth will be asleep.
Also - the 'rapture' will be seen by all -- and they will all instantly know what is happening...
"Praise the Lord!"
You know how Satan delivers all the packages at midnight and nobody sees him? Like that but during the day instead.I think most of the time, Lightning Storms are beautiful. HOWEVER, one time when my wife and I (early in our marriage), were traveling back to Grand Island, Ne. from Denver at night in my Jeep with a rag top, we got caught in the worst storm that I have ever seen. It had started as absolutely pouring down rain (a real gully washer) for about 20 minutes before we got to Ogallala, Ne. We could go only about 35 mph. on I-80 because it was raining so hard. Then about 5 miles east of Ogallala, the INTENSE non-stop multiple lightning strikes started and the radio was telling us therer were Tornado Warnings. The feeling of "WOW look at that" quickly turned to fear, as I noticed multiple strikes hitting about a 100-200 yards or so from the Interstate. That particle section of road was very flat with no hills or trees near by, making my JEEP the highest thing around. The road ditches and the medium were full of water, with approximately 45 miles to drive to North Platte the next town with any Motels. I tried to push it all I could, but with the extremely heavy rains, anything over 40 mph, would cause me to lose sight of the road, making it even more frightening. I told my wife, "DO NOT TOUCH ANY PART OF THE JEEP MADE OUT OF METAL"; I grabbed the wheel tight with both hands and kept driving. Finally about 6 miles from North Platte the INTENSE lightning subsided, and the rain let up quite a bit. Thanking GOD for keeping us safe, plus we found a motel room at North Platte. I could not have driven any further, as my arms were aching from holding on to the wheel so tight, expecting the worst at any second. One very scary drive through the worst lightning storm I had ever seen. Now picture yourself on a flat prairie Interstate Highway right out in the middle of something like this. With these kinds of multiple strikes happening all around you, while driving in total pouring down rain. They are pretty from afar but very scary up close.
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No, you are totally wrong on the 70th Week of Daniel having already happened. It is still future, and will not begin until after the Bride of Christ is Caught Up to go to the Wedding of the lamb. Every one of the Theologians that I learned from and respect, will tell you that. No wonder your end-times theology is so messed up. You will know that I told you the Truth when you see the Seven Year Peace Treaty with Israel and her enemies signed, permitting the Third Temple of GOD to be built in Jerusalem. We will of course have already left for the Wedding of the Lamb. As far as the Abomination of Desolation, you have not seen anything remotely close YET.
Do you want to read their commentaries? Maybe later.
LOL, I know. That was a copy/paste from an article about past Southern Baptist Convention Presidents. But now that his son "Ed" is the head Pastor of another Baptist Church, he may be back to using Homer, to alleviate the confusion.
Homer Edwin Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[video=youtube;zvqYUK15btA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvqYUK15btA[/video]
LOL. Don't confuse the "Abomination of Desolation" with the "Wing of Abomination," they are completely different concepts and take place in totally different eras.
Math is Math and Math does not lie. 434 years takes you to AD 30 and I can prove with 1000% certainty that Christ died on April 3, 0033. I know this because the date is set in the stars and the signs in the heavens. Therefore half of Daniel's 70th week corresponds with Christ's ministry and not his death. Notice, the text:
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
Until Messiah the Prince WHAT? Until He arrives or dies??? I'm telling you it's until He arrives on the scene and starts His ministry, not until he dies. Look back at the criteria again too:
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
Seventy weeks were determined to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION and ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, not 69 weeks. The transgression was finished at the Cross. When was Christ anointed? A few times but how about here:
Mark 14:8
She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial.
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
After the sixty-two weeks meaning we are into the 70th week, half way into it as it turns out, Messiah is cut off for us.
Every theologian that you trusted didn't have the advantage of our present times and prospective. They, like you, are stuck with the idea of the European Union and the former 10 nation alliance that is now 28, as being the seat of the AntiChrist. Rather than admitting they were wrong, unless suddenly the EU drops 18 countries, they stick to their positions. Pride is a very powerful emotion. When pride gets in the way, it clouds reason and "blinds" the person(s) effected.
When ISIS (located precisely in the Lion, Leopard, Bear region) started beheading Christians in big numbers about a year ago, this blew the lid off of everything. All past assumptions were wrong and everything needed to be reconsidered. I have been doing this for a year now, while you and others continue in the past with your false conclusions and visions of Damien Omen I, II and III complete with dobermans, Catholic machete wielding priests, planes with Nicholas Cage flying around pilot-less and the like.
You could parade 1,000 theologians up here with videos of Daniel's 70 weeks and how the final week deals with the AntiChrist and every one of them would be wrong. It is conjecture and assumptions based on a date of Christ's death that they got wrong.
Dan 9:27 goes back to talking about the Messiah.
Math is Math and Math does not lie. 434 years takes you to AD 30 and I can prove with 1000% certainty that Christ died on April 3, 0033. I know this because the date is set in the stars and the signs in the heavens. Therefore half of Daniel's 70th week corresponds with Christ's ministry and not his death. Notice, the text:
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
Until Messiah the Prince WHAT? Until He arrives or dies??? I'm telling you it's until He arrives on the scene and starts His ministry, not until he dies. Look back at the criteria again too:
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
Seventy weeks were determined to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION and ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, not 69 weeks. The transgression was finished at the Cross. When was Christ anointed? A few times but how about here:
Mark 14:8
She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial.
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
After the sixty-two weeks meaning we are into the 70th week, half way into it as it turns out, Messiah is cut off for us.
Every theologian that you trusted didn't have the advantage of our present times and prospective. They, like you, are stuck with the idea of the European Union and the former 10 nation alliance that is now 28, as being the seat of the AntiChrist. Rather than admitting they were wrong, unless suddenly the EU drops 18 countries, they stick to their positions. Pride is a very powerful emotion. When pride gets in the way, it clouds reason and "blinds" the person(s) effected.
When ISIS (located precisely in the Lion, Leopard, Bear region) started beheading Christians in big numbers about a year ago, this blew the lid off of everything. All past assumptions were wrong and everything needed to be reconsidered. I have been doing this for a year now, while you and others continue in the past with your false conclusions and visions of Damien Omen I, II and III complete with dobermans, Catholic machete wielding priests, planes with Nicholas Cage flying around pilot-less and the like
. You could parade 1,000 theologians up here with videos of Daniel's 70 weeks and how the final week deals with the AntiChrist and every one of them would be wrong. It is conjecture and assumptions based on a date of Christ's death that they got wrong.
Dan 9:27 goes back to talking about the Messiah.
Daniel 9:26 (NKJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off {KILLED}, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince {Antichrist} who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he {Antichrist} shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
Who are you learning this unlearned false teaching from? Look how messed up your theology actually is. You are denying a clear reference to Christ's death on the Cross for us; and you think the prince to come (which is Antichrist) is a reference to Jesus Christ.
NOW look at the same verses in the simplified English:
Daniel 9:26-27 (NIV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing [6] [or off and will have no one, or off, but not for Himself ]. The people of the ruler who will come {Antichrist} will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He {Antichrist} will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him".
You are leaning WAY TOO HEAVY on the KJV, which their 1611 so-called Translators admitted in the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions and they used earlier Latin Translations to check the wording. They did NOT translate from the original Language Versions. LOOK IT UP! King James Version Original Preface
THUS, when later, genuine Translations, came along their actual Translators found that the word Prince behind the Word Messiah or Anointed One, was NOT in the Orginal Language Translations. Now look at a Commentary by a Bible Scholar, who knows all this and looks at the Original Language Translation too.
Watch 18 E.U. countries pull out when a Dictator takes over and want to erase the borders and rule it like an EMPIRE
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off {KILLED}, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince {Antichrist} who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] Then he {Antichrist} shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."
Who are you learning this unlearned false teaching from? Look how messed up your theology actually is. You are denying a clear reference to Christ's death on the Cross for us; and you think the prince to come (which is Antichrist) is a reference to Jesus Christ.
NOW look at the same verses in the simplified English:
Daniel 9:26-27 (NIV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing [6] [or off and will have no one, or off, but not for Himself ]. The people of the ruler who will come {Antichrist} will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] He {Antichrist} will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him".
You are leaning WAY TOO HEAVY on the KJV, which their 1611 so-called Translators admitted in the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions and they used earlier Latin Translations to check the wording. They did NOT translate from the original Language Versions. LOOK IT UP! King James Version Original Preface
THUS, when later, genuine Translations, came along their actual Translators found that the word Prince behind the Word Messiah or Anointed One, was NOT in the Orginal Language Translations. Now look at a Commentary by a Bible Scholar, who knows all this and looks at the Original Language Translation too.
Watch 18 E.U. countries pull out when a Dictator takes over and want to erase the borders and rule it like an EMPIRE
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Agreed. I've not heard any reading as laughable, in a while. To suggest Israel's final week is past, fulfilled AD 33 or 36...whatever.
Rom 11 makes the opposite point. That they're elect, though hardened. Daniel's Beasts and Empires all contain prefigures and elements of the Antichrist. Especially Greece and Rome. To try to remove Daniel 9:24-27, the most clear timing word of all prophecy-----and especially one that's already part-fulfilled in the most wonderful way----the prophecy of Messiah's crucifixion 483 years in advance of a Persian proclamation (to rebuild Jerusalem), which was still many years hence from Daniel himself---to seek to eliminate this as containing prophecy of the end-times-----it's only been Catholicism or some Lutheranism or atheist Jewish 'scholars' that I've heard try to do the same. I also am curious what is whoever's motiviation for such an odd, useless teaching? Other than sheer and mere pride, to try to have something unique or different.
Maybe it's a kind of latent anti-Semitism? To try to remove Israel from Revelation or end- prophecy
Rom 11 makes the opposite point. That they're elect, though hardened. Daniel's Beasts and Empires all contain prefigures and elements of the Antichrist. Especially Greece and Rome. To try to remove Daniel 9:24-27, the most clear timing word of all prophecy-----and especially one that's already part-fulfilled in the most wonderful way----the prophecy of Messiah's crucifixion 483 years in advance of a Persian proclamation (to rebuild Jerusalem), which was still many years hence from Daniel himself---to seek to eliminate this as containing prophecy of the end-times-----it's only been Catholicism or some Lutheranism or atheist Jewish 'scholars' that I've heard try to do the same. I also am curious what is whoever's motiviation for such an odd, useless teaching? Other than sheer and mere pride, to try to have something unique or different.
Maybe it's a kind of latent anti-Semitism? To try to remove Israel from Revelation or end- prophecy
K
I would have you read that preface again on the KJV that you gave a link to as this comment is made in it on what they had to use to translate from;
"If you aske what they had before them, truely it was the Hebrew text of the Olde Testament, theGreeke of the New."
Also it says they did this translation not to make a bad one good, or redo another translation, for they wanted this to be of its own. They only used the other translations to see how their translation from the original Greek and Hebrew compared to the earlier translations.
I do however agree with you on Daniel 9:26 and 27, as those references of the people of the prince to come and the one who confirms a covenant in 27 is the man of sin/antichrist; Not a reference to Jesus..........
"If you aske what they had before them, truely it was the Hebrew text of the Olde Testament, theGreeke of the New."
Also it says they did this translation not to make a bad one good, or redo another translation, for they wanted this to be of its own. They only used the other translations to see how their translation from the original Greek and Hebrew compared to the earlier translations.
I do however agree with you on Daniel 9:26 and 27, as those references of the people of the prince to come and the one who confirms a covenant in 27 is the man of sin/antichrist; Not a reference to Jesus..........
K
I agree with what VCO said about Daniel 9:26-27, however I do not agree that the Catholic church/vatican and their pope will be the final antichrist, Babylon, or world system of the man of sin.
I use to believe that way, as well as use to believe America being Babylon, tell I got in further studies on the issue.
When I went in with the Holy Spirit's guidance pulling out all OT and NT end times prophecies I found that the man of sin will come out of Turkey, and the 10 nations/kings/kingdoms that follow him are Muslim or majority Muslim nations.
These are what is listed in the OT prophecies; Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Greece, Eygpt, Sudan, Ethiopia, Lebanon, and Jordan.
These are all listed as facing God's judgment in the end times, Revelation 2:13 and 13:2 show that satan's seat/throne is in Turkey and is given to the man of sin, and they are all Muslim or mainly Muslim countries; Two of which was part of the Roman empire, Turkey and Greece.............
If the pope plays a role in the end times placing, the only place he fits is as the false prophet who follows the man of sin.
As the false prophet and man of sin are two separate individuals, not one individual as some say or been taught.
Revelation clearly shows them as two separate leaders; One religious and the other political !!!
What really matters, I respectfully suggest, is a genuine, impartial, earnest search for Truth.
Wherein all known facts, all documents, all archaeology, all original languages are studied at length and conclusions are based on this serious research.
Doctorates are awarded only after all this work is reviewed by peers who are experts in their respective fields.
The type of universities I mentioned are highly reputed - and for very good reason.
Over many decades, even centuries, they have produced great thinkers, scientists, authors, poets, theologians, judges, leaders in so many areas.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
THEN you have these mickey-mouse "universities" which start from an assumption (faith) and look only at those things whch they think support that assumption.
That is not genuine scholarship and is unlikely to ever produce Truth.
Wherein all known facts, all documents, all archaeology, all original languages are studied at length and conclusions are based on this serious research.
Doctorates are awarded only after all this work is reviewed by peers who are experts in their respective fields.
The type of universities I mentioned are highly reputed - and for very good reason.
Over many decades, even centuries, they have produced great thinkers, scientists, authors, poets, theologians, judges, leaders in so many areas.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
THEN you have these mickey-mouse "universities" which start from an assumption (faith) and look only at those things whch they think support that assumption.
That is not genuine scholarship and is unlikely to ever produce Truth.
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And then they want to claim to be the spiritual replacement for Israel on top of all that, LOL. They do not even realize they coveting promises made to Israel. I think GOD makes it plain when He is referring to all mankind, and when He is referring only to the physical descendants of ISRAEL. I have even had a few of them try to tell me God is finished with Israel and washed His hands of Israel.
What baffles me, is they cannot see that we have a BETTER COVENANT. We go into the KINGDOM in our immortal bodies; while the 144,000 Jews go into the KINGDOM in their mortal bodies, still facing growing old and will eventually DIE in the 1000 Year Kingdom.
Isaiah 65:20 (GW)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] There will no longer be an infant who lives for only a few days or an old man who doesn't live a long life. Whoever lives to be a hundred years old will be thought of as young. Whoever dies before he is a hundred years old will be cursed as a sinner.
Sounds like Israel will be made up of Mortals in the 1000 Year Kingdom to me.
K
There is no scriptural support to say only 144,000 Jews who are sealed are the only living believers in Christ during the Millennial reign of Christ. Revelation refers to a multitude of others that satan sets out to deceive after he is released after the 1,000 years, so to be deceived their belief had to be in the Lord during the 1,000 years.
Second Revelation shows the marriage and marriage supper takes place after the tribulation/great tribulation period.....
There is no evidence to support some believers going into the kingdom in spiritual bodies and others in mortal bodies, as that would be false teaching. For the bible says the mortal corruptable bodies can not inherit the kingdom, but by your stance they can which is against scripture..........
Second Revelation shows the marriage and marriage supper takes place after the tribulation/great tribulation period.....
There is no evidence to support some believers going into the kingdom in spiritual bodies and others in mortal bodies, as that would be false teaching. For the bible says the mortal corruptable bodies can not inherit the kingdom, but by your stance they can which is against scripture..........
I agree, it is NOT the Catholic Church. THAT is a figment of the imagination of the False Prophet Jack Chick. In fact, Jack Chick is the biggest denominational bigot that I ever heard of, and published lies, untruths, and made up stories to paint the Catholics, Jews, and Jesuits, as PURE EVIL. He failed to understand that you do not become EVIL, to point out Evil. He single handedly stopped me from calling myself a Fundamentalist. When I heard that Jack Chick called himself a Fundamentalist, I immediately had to find a new label for myself. I prefer to call myself just a Christian, but when force to define that further, I will answer that I am a Conservative Evangelical.
Where Jack Chick went off the road, is when he figured that just because Rome is the City of Seven Hills that made the Prophecy references of the Seven Mountains a reference to Rome. WRONG! The answer is much simpler that you may think. Yes in it's final form the Antichrist will rule over a confederacy of Seven Nations. In Prophecy Mountains, Heads, and Horns are symbolism for Kingdoms. You have a Beast that starts out with 10 Horns, and THREE are torn up by their roots, like East Germany was. So a Ten Nation Confederacy hands power over to a Dictator that is actually the Antichrist. Three smaller Nations merge with another like East Germany did. How many Kingdoms, or Nations, or Horns, or Heads, or MOUNTAINS does that leave? Correct, a Seven Nation Confederacy in it's final form.