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You are playing word games with Scripture in my opinion. God has surely provided His salvation plan to ALL mankind, however, to be "reconciled" means one HAS BEEN REESTABLISHED into God's Grace........When Jesus died, He established God's salvation plan..........however, it is STILL necessary for man to BELIEVE and to CHOOSE to seek reconciliation, forgiveness of sins, and the inheritance of eternal life. Without man doing this, there is no reconciliation with God.
Your own example clearly shows this............had the young man NEVER returned to his father, to ask his forgiveness and seek reconciliation with him, he would have died apart from any reconciliation. The fact that God's salvation plan is available to WHOSOEVER WILL does not mean ALL WILL. To believe any different is against the Gospel of Christ.
Your own example clearly shows this............had the young man NEVER returned to his father, to ask his forgiveness and seek reconciliation with him, he would have died apart from any reconciliation. The fact that God's salvation plan is available to WHOSOEVER WILL does not mean ALL WILL. To believe any different is against the Gospel of Christ.
You are seeing plural because of mistranslation. The translators are not using the original words because of bias. The words used most often in the Greek is " A Sin" and not sins. Its in the Greek. So Christ forgave our Sin and not sins. When Jesus forgave sins of people during his ministry and healed them it is the same as calling the elders and anointing with oil and sins being forgiven. There is nothing about the cross in any of that. The cross and forgiveness is about the Sin of Adam. Being rescued from this present evil age is about "sins" which cause us problems like sickness, poverty, and troubles.
Now the young man. If salvation were merely about going to heaven then why would it be hard for a rich man? The young man wanted fullness of life and his riches were not cutting it. If he were following the 10C then he would have joy and fulfillment. So he did not get his riches by following the 10C [which is a promise of Deut 28:1-14] and was not enjoying them. The implication is Jesus told him to give the riches away because they were ill gotten and not through faith. Jesus said He would perfect the young mans faith and nothing more. Jesus answer was the correct one according to scripture, which is, "follow the 10C".
Now the young man. If salvation were merely about going to heaven then why would it be hard for a rich man? The young man wanted fullness of life and his riches were not cutting it. If he were following the 10C then he would have joy and fulfillment. So he did not get his riches by following the 10C [which is a promise of Deut 28:1-14] and was not enjoying them. The implication is Jesus told him to give the riches away because they were ill gotten and not through faith. Jesus said He would perfect the young mans faith and nothing more. Jesus answer was the correct one according to scripture, which is, "follow the 10C".
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depends on how you stick to the text.
Sin (singular) could be talking about all the sin of mankind from adams first sin to the last sin commited.
It also could be talking of one particular sin.
thus we do not just self interpret what we think it means, we go to the rest of scripture to see what it means.
What does the rest of scripture say Jesus died for? One sin. or all sin?
Sin (singular) could be talking about all the sin of mankind from adams first sin to the last sin commited.
It also could be talking of one particular sin.
thus we do not just self interpret what we think it means, we go to the rest of scripture to see what it means.
What does the rest of scripture say Jesus died for? One sin. or all sin?
That was my thoughts exactly!
Yet you have not "reconciled" the problem with the two statements you made which I quoted earlier. How in one statement you assert that the blood of Christ is not applicable to "spiritual" sins............and then, in following comments, you assert that the blood of Christ "even reconciled fallen angels to God." Fallen angels, or angels at the Throne of God ARE SPIRITUAL beings. Your assertions are contrary to one another.
As well, you stated that all of this is "your thoughts/opinions," now you want them to be accepted as Biblical Truth? Have to make up your mind sooner or later. WillieT complimented you on stating that you were ONLY expressing your beliefs/understandings, and that's great, but don't now insist that they be taken as Biblical Truth. One negates the honesty of the other in my opinion.
I believe you are teaching some very dangerous ideas here. That is my opinion, based on my understanding of Scripture. Forgiveness as you state it HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPARTED to all men. This is not true. The PATHWAY to forgiveness has been OFFERED to all mankind is truth. But unless the sinner repents and turns to God seeking forgiveness, they will die in their sins, and be judged accordingly. This is how I read Scripture.
You also state that reconciliation HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPARTED to all men. This is not true based on my understanding of Scripture. The PATHWAY to reconciliation with God HAS been established through His salvation plan as enacted by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, UNLESS man SEEKS to be reconciled with God, he will die apart from God.
Unless you are a Calvinist, I can not see how you arrive at your stated ideology.
Yet you have not "reconciled" the problem with the two statements you made which I quoted earlier. How in one statement you assert that the blood of Christ is not applicable to "spiritual" sins............and then, in following comments, you assert that the blood of Christ "even reconciled fallen angels to God." Fallen angels, or angels at the Throne of God ARE SPIRITUAL beings. Your assertions are contrary to one another.
As well, you stated that all of this is "your thoughts/opinions," now you want them to be accepted as Biblical Truth? Have to make up your mind sooner or later. WillieT complimented you on stating that you were ONLY expressing your beliefs/understandings, and that's great, but don't now insist that they be taken as Biblical Truth. One negates the honesty of the other in my opinion.
I believe you are teaching some very dangerous ideas here. That is my opinion, based on my understanding of Scripture. Forgiveness as you state it HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPARTED to all men. This is not true. The PATHWAY to forgiveness has been OFFERED to all mankind is truth. But unless the sinner repents and turns to God seeking forgiveness, they will die in their sins, and be judged accordingly. This is how I read Scripture.
You also state that reconciliation HAS ALREADY BEEN IMPARTED to all men. This is not true based on my understanding of Scripture. The PATHWAY to reconciliation with God HAS been established through His salvation plan as enacted by the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. However, UNLESS man SEEKS to be reconciled with God, he will die apart from God.
Unless you are a Calvinist, I can not see how you arrive at your stated ideology.
What is often missed in this discussion is whether the atonement of Christ actually did accomplish all that it was aimed for in and by itself: to redeem hopelessly doomed sinners. Or did the atonement merely make sinners redeemable: pending their "almighty choice" to accept it and thereby make it atone for them? The atonement of Christ (which was for God's acceptance and was accepted by God) actually accomplished the salvation for whom it was intended in and by itself. Yes, the atoning blood of Christ redeemed His people. Hebrews 9:23 through 10:18 speaks about a complete removal of the sins of God's people through the full atonement of Christ, by His ONE offering. Had he died a second time, it would mean that He did not make a complete satisfaction. It would mean that He was not fully punished and that God was not fully appeased. The atonement therefore was not completed to merely make salvation "possible". The atonement accomplished salvation!
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it did accomplish salvation. On all, to all WHO BELIEVE.
It accomplished salvation to those who do not believe also. They just rejected Gods offer. Are we going to get mad at God because his salvation, which made them whole, was turned down, and he had to send them to hell for the one sin he did not die for? Unbelief!
It accomplished salvation to those who do not believe also. They just rejected Gods offer. Are we going to get mad at God because his salvation, which made them whole, was turned down, and he had to send them to hell for the one sin he did not die for? Unbelief!
Are you saying that ALL men have been forgiven of their sins and completely reconciled to God without having sought such? Without repentance? If so, then I must disagree, and having read the passages from Hebrews, I don't see it found there either.
9:23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 .) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 .) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 .) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 .) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 .) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 .) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[Every single person, Jew or Gentile who has died from that time to this without repenting and turning to God died in their sins and will be judged accordingly.]
30 .) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 .) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 .) But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 .) Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 .) For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 .) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 .) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 .) For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 .) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 .) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
10:1) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 .) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 .) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 .) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 .) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 .) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 .) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 .) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 .) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 .) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[Being that sanctification is available to all who seek Him]
11 .) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 .) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 .) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 .) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[these are saved, sanctified, justified believers, not ALL MANKIND]
15 .) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 .) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 .) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 .) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 .) For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 .) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 .) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 .) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 .) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[Those who died in their unbelief have not had their sins forgiven and been reconciled to God.]
7 .) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 .) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 .) By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 .) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 .) Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 .) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 .) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 .) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 .) And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 .) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 .) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 .) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Just seeking clarification if you believe that ALL MANKIND has ALREADY been reconciled and forgiven of their sins and ALL MANKIND will inherit eternal life.
9:23) Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
24 .) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 .) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 .) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 .) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 .) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 .) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[Every single person, Jew or Gentile who has died from that time to this without repenting and turning to God died in their sins and will be judged accordingly.]
30 .) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 .) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 .) But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 .) Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 .) For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 .) Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 .) For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 .) For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 .) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 .) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
10:1) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 .) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 .) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 .) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 .) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 .) In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 .) Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 .) Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 .) Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 .) By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[Being that sanctification is available to all who seek Him]
11 .) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 .) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 .) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 .) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
[these are saved, sanctified, justified believers, not ALL MANKIND]
15 .) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 .) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 .) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 .) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
2 .) For by it the elders obtained a good report.
3 .) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
4 .) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
5 .) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
6 .) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[Those who died in their unbelief have not had their sins forgiven and been reconciled to God.]
7 .) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8 .) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 .) By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 .) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
11 .) Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
12 .) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
13 .) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 .) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
15 .) And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
16 .) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
17 .) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 .) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Just seeking clarification if you believe that ALL MANKIND has ALREADY been reconciled and forgiven of their sins and ALL MANKIND will inherit eternal life.
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No, it was not more powerfull. lets get real.
He did not die for the sin of unbelief. that is what condemned them, his atoning sacrifice for everything else was quite valid.
Notice what scripture says,
Those who BELIEVE have life. those who DO NOT BELIEVE shall not see life, but the wrath of God.Whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does not believe is condemned already, because they have not believed.
Sin is not the issue anymore (as far as salvation goes). Christ took that out of the way and nailed it to the cross.
Belief or unbelief is now the issue.
I realize this was not directed at me, but I don't understand the significance of using a capital S or small case s when speaking of sin. I DO KNOW how precious and powerful the precious blood of Jesus Christ is, and what it accomplished though. In an earlier comment, I listed the Scriptures concerning our being a "ransomed" people, and here below are Scriptures concerning the precious blood of Christ.
The Precious Blood of Jesus
Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.”
Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
Hebrews 9:14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”
The Precious Blood of Jesus
Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”
Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”
1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”
Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.”
Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”
Hebrews 9:14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”
Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”
Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”