Does God Hate The Unsaved?

atwhatcost · Jun 8, 2015

At least now, I know how you can include Ancient Hebrew and Greek letters in some of your posts. I use Strong's but a copy-paste only gives me partials.

MarcR · Jun 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

sorry, But not sure where you get your hebrew interpretations from.

8533 שָׂנֵא (śā·nē(ʾ)): v.; ≡ Str 8130; TWOT 2272—1. LN 88.198–88.205 (qal) hate, abhor, detest, loathe, be hostile, have a feeling of open hostility and intense dislike (Ge 37:4); (qal pass.) hated (Isa 60:15+); (nif) hated (Pr 14:20+); 2. LN 39.1–39.12 (qal) be an enemy, i.e., be in open hostility and strife with another (Pr 29:24), note: for qal ptcp. as n.masc., see 8533.5; (piel) note: for piel ptcp. as n.masc., see 5383.5; 3. LN 25.33–25.58 (qal) dislike, shun, not love, i.e., have a feeling of lacking of love and compassion for an object, implying a refusal or shunning of relationship (Dt 22:13, 16; 24:3; Pr 11:15; 19:7); (qal pass.) be unloved, loved less than (Ge 29:31, 33; Dt 21:15,16, 17; Pr 30:23+); (nif) unloved, be shunned (Pr 14:17+); 4. LN 13.104–13.163 unit: לֹא שָׂנֵא מִן תְּמוֹל שִׁלְשׁוֹם (lō(ʾ) śā·nē(ʾ) min temôl šil·šôm) without malice aforethought, formally, not hate from the past, i.e., pertaining to something that “just happens” without any intent, so concluded to be an accident (Dt 4:42; 19:4, 6; Jos 20:5+), see also domain LN 30.53–30.55 for its opposite, “intention”

Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Edom was Gods enemy, they rejected God. that is why in malichi, God spoke of two nations. One he loved, and one he (english translated) hated.

the word enemy, and love less both fit with the word used. as Edom was Gods enemy,

Are you going to sit here and tell me God did not want Edom to repent and turn to him like he did ninevah, if they were willing? is that not the true defenition of love?

This post has only persuaded me that Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament) (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc. is not a reliable dictionary and is theologically rather than lexically driven.

MarcR · Jun 8, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Actually I have a Hebrew keyboard with several fonts including 3 with cantilation marks; but my fonts don't work here and I have to convert them to Lucinda Console.

Jeff_56 · Jun 8, 2015

if you are saved or not, people may call you a heretic and worse (remember they called Jesus a lot not so hot)

God's not afraid of your questions, and Jesus said He would reveal the truth to you about all things concerning salvation now and in the world to come, IF....

........... <<< IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF >>>

yes,

if..... that <if> is still out there, that <if> is still written in HIS WORD .....

so far, whether you are a heretic or not, ((only God knows)),

there's more than enough .... in your own words, to condemn you, by your own words...

because you didn't seek God yet to know what to do or to say, and what not to do and what not to say.

God holds salvation in Jesus for all those who finally get the <<<IF>>>....... as God permits.

Sirk said:

JesusIsAll · Jun 8, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Other than the concept a car would need infinite horsepower, that a car reaching the speed of light is asinine beyond ludicrous, seems like a reasonable question. (Bet that car gets terrible EPA mileage.)

Something always funny about things like Star Trek. They pull a lever, and suddenly that huge clunker is hurtling multiples of the speed of light. That's unscience fiction!

Sirk · Jun 8, 2015

Jeff_56 said:

if you are saved or not, people may call you a heretic and worse (remember they called Jesus a lot not so hot)

God's not afraid of your questions, and Jesus said He would reveal the truth to you about all things concerning salvation now and in the world to come, IF....

........... <<< IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF >>>

yes,

if..... that <if> is still out there, that <if> is still written in HIS WORD .....

so far, whether you are a heretic or not, ((only God knows)),

there's more than enough .... in your own words, to condemn you, by your own words...

because you didn't seek God yet to know what to do or to say, and what not to do and what not to say.

God holds salvation in Jesus for all those who finally get the <<<IF>>>....... as God permits.

Okay there Archie bunker. I see you're back from your commercial break. Lol

MarcR · Jun 8, 2015

MarcR said:

The Hebrew and Greek characters from PC Study Bible do not paste here because they use a dedicated font; so I have to hand type everything, from there, in Hebrew or Greek by hand.

p_rehbein · Jun 8, 2015

MarcR said:

Good thing we don't have to carve things in stone anymore huh?

peacefulbeliever · Jun 8, 2015

First, I apologize if I am stating what someone else has said . . . I did go back and read a couple pages but not all.

HOW can someone who IS love . . . hate?

Does not "Jacob" and "Esau" represent two nations - Israel and Edom? Can God hate a nation as an enemy? Yes, but IMHO, I do not believe he HATES individuals.

And the children struggled within her: and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to inquire of the LORD. And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people [nation] shall be stronger than the other people [nation]; and the elder [Esau (Edom)] shall serve the younger [Jacob (Israel)] . . . Genesis 25:22,23

The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. I have loved you, saith the LORD, Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [even after all that God has done for them they still can't see God's love for them!! Amazing!] Was not Esau Jacob;s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob - [Israel], And I hated Esau [Edom] and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom . . . . Some of this also was the result/consequences of Esau giving up his birthright.

We can't have this: 1 John 4:16 . . . . God IS LOVE . . . . then have God hating in the same breath. He has to either be love or hate - a house divided cannot stand.

Please note: My opinion only.

JesusIsAll · Jun 8, 2015

peacefulbeliever said:

I would agree. We're told we can't be His disciples, if we don't hate everybody else (Luke 14:26). Yet we are to love even our enemies, as everybody loves their friends. As you point out, God is love. Greatest commandments are to love God and neighbor. This is a situation where words are not doctrines, that there is a context, the ultimate context the whole Bible, which does not contradict. In these situations, we know it is not saying we are to hate, so what is the context? What you find is that hate, in such terms, is relative to something else, a greater love, like the love of God must be preeminent in us, to where it compares to hating others, as a strong figure of speech, drawing a sharp contrast to how important God is, compared to anything else. That's all. It's not saying to hate. Isolation of certain scripture is the mother's milk of faulty exegesis and error.

JesusIsAll · Jun 8, 2015

Would add that God is not willing that any should perish. He loved us enough to suffer horribly, for our sins! Our Lord knew how to weep, knew much sorrow. Therefore, God is not finding pleasure in judgement and damnation. God is perfectly righteous and He is holy, which means He is just. That He is just does not mean He relishes punishing anybody, that He is not heartbroken and longsuffering things He would rather not were the case. This is what the whole Bible teaches. The God that came to us and paid for our sins on the cross is not a hater. Get real!

Gr8grace · Jun 8, 2015

atwhatcost said:

That was funny!

Gr8grace · Jun 8, 2015

MarcR said:

EXACTLY. We know that God doesn't have the attribute of Hate. So while the finite words that we use in our language are definite and technical to us, we can't define God by that technical meaning of the word.

It is WHY hate is an anthropomorphism when it comes to God.

We CANNOT ascribe our technical definition of a finite word in our vocabulary to a Infinite being.

There is no hate in pure light and perfect righteousness. We can't describe it With our limited vocabulary.

"loved less" is based upon scripture upon scripture, here a little there a little, line upon line.

And lastly, I am in way over my head. Who can truly explain this?

crossnote · Jun 8, 2015

atwhatcost said:

Pre or post the Fall. But since God trandscends time, I'll go brush my teeth.

crossnote · Jun 8, 2015

MarcR said:

Try Olivetree next time, at least the Greek seems fine here on CC.

JesusIsAll · Jun 8, 2015

crossnote said:

Don't forget to floss, lest you lose your salvation!

crossnote · Jun 8, 2015

JesusIsAll said:

No, I'll just be missing the 'root'.

JesusIsAll · Jun 8, 2015

crossnote said:

Well, as long as it's not a Hebrew root, I'm thinking you may be spared the wrath, the wrath of God, that is, but not likely Jeff_56.

cerialis · Jun 8, 2015

Does God hate the unsaved?

An interesting question indeed, especially as we have to first ask ourselves; who are the unsaved and from what?

When Adam and Evd transgressed in the Garden of Eden, all mankind came under condemnation of death without the hope of a resurrection. "As on Adam, all are dying..." (1 Corinthians 15:22)

However, dur to the fact that the instigator of disobedience was not Adam but the Covering Cherub Lucifer [Satan]; Almighty God in his supreme wisdom accepted the challenge from Satan that he could not put a perfect man on the earth who would stay true to him.

In the first prophecy in the Bible (Genesis 3:15) God stated that the 'seed' of a mystery woman would eventually crush Satan in the head. But before this, this one who was to be a perfect man, corresponding with Adam. would need to become a sacrificial ransom and liberate the whole of mankind from the curse of Adamic death and open the way to death with the assured hope of a resurrection and everlasting life on earth for those who stand against Satan at the end of the Sabbath Millennium.

So the status at the moment is that Christ Jesus who became that corresponding ransom sacrifice has at the moment 'saved' us all from the curse of Adamic death, although because we all remain imperfect [sin] we also remain dead in God's eyes except for his anointed 'chosen' ones.

This is peoved in Jesus' own words when one who was already a follower of him, asked if before hed dedicated himself completely; he would like first to wait and bury his Father who was already aged. However, Jesus who had chosen this man as one of his anointed, replied: "Let the dead carry on burying the dead, you follow me." (Matthew 8:22)

So at the moment, all of us except the chosen anointed remain unsaved and dead in God's eyes. This is confirmed by the fact that if were not, then the thousand year judgement reign of the Christ would become invalid; plus we have the scripture in Revelation which at the end of this period when those who have stood successfully against Satan; it states: "The rest of the dead [mankind] did not come to life until the thousand years had ended." (Revelation 20:5)

So Almighty God certainly does not hate the unsaved [us] but has mad provision for us as I have just explained.

However, the six things which God does hate, are as follows:

"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

[SUP]17 [/SUP]A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

Alexander

Sirk · Jun 8, 2015

JesusIsAll said:

God mourns too. Jesus wept over Lazarus. The good thing is that He will wipe away all our tears. It may seem to us like it shouldn't be this way...but in Gods infinite wisdom...it is necessary and required.

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