When does the rapture occur?

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To the contrary, a) Christ did not make any covenant for 7 years. Could you seek to specify what covenant that was?
Where it is? Is it in the New Testament?

Christ did not directly cause the Judaism worship there to cease. In fact it continued up until AD 70. And it was the Romans, directly, who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

Christ did not "replace the sacrifice and oblation with abominations of the desolator." My goodness.

"He" 3 times in Dan 9:27 refers to "prince" whose people come and destroy the city and the temple in 9:26. Lol.
This is basic reading. But I thank you for the opportunity to do it.

Certainly God's dealing with Israel continued through Jesus' ministry on earth. Since His crucifixion, at the start of verse 26, came AFTER His ministry.

Whether you "see no peace before the Man of Sin is revealed" is immaterial. Since the man of sin plainly is the desolator, the interrupter of the covenant, and therefore also the maker of it. "He will make a firm covenant with the many for one week." He (your, and my, pronouns) also will "cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease." Meaning those items are obviously related to the covenant.
In Revelation 17, John discusses 8 Roman Emperors, Caesars. Who "have fallen." That is, who died unnaturally. Either suicides or murders. Beginning from Julius, the first. And flowing to the one who exiled John to Patmos. The one "who is" at the time of the writing of Revelation 17. There are two more...............not soon after Domitian (I think was John's---I gotta check)..........but rather also following the "Pause" found in Daniel........such that the 7th will make the covenant, be assassinated (as Daniel and Revelation say) be resuscitated with the spirit of Nero---the 5th I believe. To become the 8th.
The Antichrist in full. This is why because of God's wisdom, John concealed his identity as much as possible by using the number of his name rather than his name. 666.

I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast who bears her...the beast that you saw WAS and is not and is ABOUT TO COME UP out of the abyss, and go into perdition. And those who dwell on the earth, those whose name is not...in the book of life, will marvel when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will be present...The seven heads are the seven mountains [no, not London, lol] where the woman [Catholicism] sits and are seven kings: five have fallen, one is, the other has not come; and when he comes, he must remain only a short time. And the beast who was and is not, he himself is also the eighth and is out of the seven and goes into perdition...

Specifically in Revelation, after Michael makes war with Satan and his angels, Antichrist makes war with the Woman and her seed etc.
He does this in the middle of the last week. He does this at the start of the last 3 1/2 years.




No 7 years anywhere.
Lol.
"he will make a firm covenant with the many for one seven" Dan 9:27
 
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This is a very interesting question and worthy of an accurate answer.

The so-called 'rapture' is the event during which at the appointed time, Jesus in his capacity as God's champion Michael stands up and his anointed-one are raised up as immortal spirit creatures to meet him in the air. (Daniel 12:1)

This actually occured at the end of the Appointed Times of the nations in 1914 when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] at the end of which, Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth bringing woe to the earth and the sea. (Revelation 12:7-12)

So those who are still waiting for this rapture have unfortunately missed it!

But not to worry, because if you were one of the anointed; you would now be ruling with Christ in the heavens and standing by for the signal to bring this present world order to its conclusion by terminating the great tribulation which should start very soon now and then the thousand year reign of the Christ can begin.

Alexander
 
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How arrogant, as if none of use have done a life of prayerful Bible study and found these truths. As if countless fine, Spirit-filled men of God, with names, have not done prayerful Bible study. You want us to lay things aside for some anonymous forum poster claiming to be a seminarian, hiding behind a user ID, who doesn't write like much like a seminarian?

Tell you what, I've seen ALL the contrary blabbering, from people who don't understand the Bible, seen EVERY bogus argument. I'm not some babe in the woods, wondering what big teeth you have. I have nothing to lay aside, as I can see the truth, in scripture. End of discussion.
If I come off as arrogant and offend you, I am sorry. And please do not judge my intellence because I do not have a great command of words and often have difficulity putting into words what is in my mind. I have been called backward before.
I make no claim to being a Bible scholar, but I do have 118 hours of seminary education.

You agree with these scholars while other scholars and I disagree.
If the Lord grants me a few more years, we will probable see who is right and who is wrong.

At least we agree HE IS COMING!
 

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I have no desire to prove my dad or anyone else wrong. I seek only the truth and the spreading of the truth for the advancement of the Kingdom.



Thankfully you are not the judge of my heart, although in your own pompous heart and self-righteousness you think you are. This is merely another doctrine (of many) that you have wrong.



You know what they say when you point your finger at someone????

Christians who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture almost always also believe that they are better than God's Chosen people ISRAEL. They see only Israel as in need of rebuke and cleansing before Israel will return to God. But these same people lap up the Pre-Trib lies of Satan and exalt themselves above the natural branches. Not all go as far as accepting Replacement Theology but many do.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

I would never judge your heart VCO, the way you do mine. The below advise comes from our Lord's lips unless of course you deny these words just as you do many of His other words?

Mat 7:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. [SUP]

2 [/SUP]For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? [SUP]5 [/SUP]Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


You claim to have sound doctrine yet your heart and manner which you address other Christians is rude and judgmental.

Discernment is not Judging. The term Judge, means to pass sentence upon.

Job 34:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Let us discern for ourselves what is right; let us learn together what is good.

Malachi 3:18 (ASV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Then shall ye return and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Romans 12:2 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Hebrews 5:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.
 

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Islam isn't something I worry about, in the full scheme of things as the word lays it out for us.

I don't take my freedom and the blessing of God for granted, and I also know that as part of the Bride of Christ, my Bridegroom will whisk me away to the wedding as He promised, so that the Bride will remain spotless and unmolested by the enemy of God. The Tribulation is not for us, but for the Jew and the unbelieving world.

God never works two dispensations at the same time. This Church dispensation will end when the Church is removed and the Tribulation dispensation will begin, God reverting back to the time of the Law in order to reach the Jew for their Messiah. You need to not fight against what His word plainly teaches, but allow Him that time to reap a huge harvest among His precious people.
I bet the Christians in Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere over there, worry about ISLAM; and we should be praying for them, and provided support when we can.
 
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Don't be silly.
What kind of response is that to those who are being raped and killed simply because they are Christians.
The truth is you would feel foolish if you told them what you have posted on this form about God not allowing you to be molested.
You are being silly, equating the atrocities that man perpetrates on man as the Tribulation that Jesus talks about---a time like no other before or since seen in this world.

God is very busy protecting many in this world against the onslaught of Satan. However, martyrdom is a spiritual calling---did you know that? You need to be thankful for His marvelous mercies.
 

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So you are base your belief on the opinions of these men whose teaching is contray to the WORD.
That is your choice.
Have you ever set aside what these men teach and studied for your self?
I believe the WORD of GOD.

NO, I believe like the Bereans did, that every teacher must be put to the test of the Scriptures. I put their teachings on the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ to the test of the Scriptures, and they PASSED with flying colors. I am really SORRY that you have a different understanding.
 

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This is a very interesting question and worthy of an accurate answer.

The so-called 'rapture' is the event during which at the appointed time, Jesus in his capacity as God's champion Michael stands up and his anointed-one are raised up as immortal spirit creatures to meet him in the air. (Daniel 12:1)

This actually occured at the end of the Appointed Times of the nations in 1914 when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] at the end of which, Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth bringing woe to the earth and the sea. (Revelation 12:7-12)

So those who are still waiting for this rapture have unfortunately missed it!

But not to worry, because if you were one of the anointed; you would now be ruling with Christ in the heavens and standing by for the signal to bring this present world order to its conclusion by terminating the great tribulation which should start very soon now and then the thousand year reign of the Christ can begin.

Alexander

You have got to be kidding. Just when I thought I had heard it all. You sure you are not a Jehovah Witness?
 
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NO, I believe like the Bereans did, that every teacher must be put to the test of the Scriptures. I put their teachings on the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ to the test of the Scriptures, and they PASSED with flying colors. I am really SORRY that you have a different understanding.
Yes we disagree.
If the Lord grants us "mature" guys a few more years, we shall see!
 
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Nancy, please show me where dispensations is in the bible. This smacks of man made doctrine. I have never come across the word dispensation in the bible
Dispensations are merely man's way of understanding the various ways God has dealt with mankind---and will in the future. It's no biggie, but it is a way to study and understand the word. It is not a doctrine.

Listen up.
 
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The pronoun He used 3 times in verse 27 refers to the Messiah the Prince of verse 25.
I believe that the time of God's dealing with Israel continued through the ministry of Jesus.
As I have stated, there is no scripture basis for a seven year tready between the Man of Sin and Israel or any one else.
I see no peace before the Man of Sin is revealed and at that time we will have 1290 days until the coming of Jesus at the 7th trump.
The 2 prophets will preach for 1260 days, the Man of Sin will make war with the saints for 1260 days, Israel will be driven into the wilderness for 1260 days.
No 7 years anywhere.
Daniel 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

That "prince who is to come" is the Antichrist.
 
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This is a very interesting question and worthy of an accurate answer.

The so-called 'rapture' is the event during which at the appointed time, Jesus in his capacity as God's champion Michael stands up and his anointed-one are raised up as immortal spirit creatures to meet him in the air. (Daniel 12:1)

This actually occured at the end of the Appointed Times of the nations in 1914 when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] at the end of which, Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth bringing woe to the earth and the sea. (Revelation 12:7-12)

So those who are still waiting for this rapture have unfortunately missed it!

But not to worry, because if you were one of the anointed; you would now be ruling with Christ in the heavens and standing by for the signal to bring this present world order to its conclusion by terminating the great tribulation which should start very soon now and then the thousand year reign of the Christ can begin.

Alexander
I just can't believe this
 
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This is a very interesting question and worthy of an accurate answer.

The so-called 'rapture' is the event during which at the appointed time, Jesus in his capacity as God's champion Michael stands up and his anointed-one are raised up as immortal spirit creatures to meet him in the air. (Daniel 12:1)

This actually occured at the end of the Appointed Times of the nations in 1914 when there was war in heaven and World War on the earth covering a period of thirty years [1914-1945] at the end of which, Satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth bringing woe to the earth and the sea. (Revelation 12:7-12)

So those who are still waiting for this rapture have unfortunately missed it!

But not to worry, because if you were one of the anointed; you would now be ruling with Christ in the heavens and standing by for the signal to bring this present world order to its conclusion by terminating the great tribulation which should start very soon now and then the thousand year reign of the Christ can begin.

Alexander
More silly preteristic crud.
 
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You are being silly, equating the atrocities that man perpetrates on man as the Tribulation that Jesus talks about---a time like no other before or since seen in this world.

God is very busy protecting many in this world against the onslaught of Satan. However, martyrdom is a spiritual calling---did you know that? You need to be thankful for His marvelous mercies.

Just the usual straw man, that doesn't distinguish between the wrath of the world and Satan, during the time of grace, with wrath brought on by the Lord Himself, opening the seals of Revelation 5.
 
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Dispensations are merely man's way of understanding the various ways God has dealt with mankind---and will in the future. It's no biggie, but it is a way to study and understand the word. It is not a doctrine.

Listen up.
Yes, dispensations have nothing to do with doctrine. It's simply a way of mapping out periods of time in terms of the way the Lord has dealt with mankind, like drawing a timeline, any argument against a whole lot to do about nothing, indicating the critics don't even know what dispensations are. It as if they're saying, "Well, the Bible doesn't really have chapters." Okay. Is there a point there somewhere? It's this sort of ignorance that's a tell that people aren't really educated in these things, like bad scripture exegesis, are commenting on things they don't really even know.
 
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Yes, dispensations have nothing to do with doctrine. It's simply a way of mapping out periods of time in terms of the way the Lord has dealt with mankind, like drawing a timeline, any argument against a whole lot to do about nothing, indicating the critics don't even know what dispensations are. It as if they're saying, "Well, the Bible doesn't really have chapters." Okay. Is there a point there somewhere? It's this sort of ignorance that's a tell that people aren't really educated in these things, like bad scripture exegesis, are commenting on things they don't really even know.
Ok then, explain this dispensation stuff from the bible . I have never even seen the word dipensation in the bible . Sounds like man made garbage ya'll are supposed to be against . I get told all the time i don't follow the bible and dispensation for sure is not in the bible
 
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Ok then, explain this dispensation stuff from the bible . I have never even seen the word dipensation in the bible . Sounds like man made garbage ya'll are supposed to be against . I get told all the time i don't follow the bible and dispensation for sure is not in the bible
You will never find the word, "dispensation" in the bible. That doesn't mean it isn't a bona fide way to understand the word and to see God's ways of dealing with men.

Nothing garbage-y about it. If you don;t know what we're talking about, it's best to suspend your judgmental and hypercritical thinking and comments until you do know. Thanks.
 

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Ok then, explain this dispensation stuff from the bible . I have never even seen the word dipensation in the bible . Sounds like man made garbage ya'll are supposed to be against . I get told all the time i don't follow the bible and dispensation for sure is not in the bible

OKAY, I am NOT going to Copy/Paste my previous post to someone else who thought the Absence of a Word in the Bible justifies the non-existence of that Word. THEREFORE, go to page 145 and read my post #2887, as it is NOW OFFICIALLY ADDRESSED TO YOU, TOO.