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God's ways are not man's ways. He is perfectly capable of all, even allowing free will of individuals wo function within the parameters of this age and the laws that goven this age. Yes, time is like viewing a mural for our Father, but do not deceive yourselves, we have free will to choose good over evil. No man is able to change the overall scheme of things as designed by the greatGod of all that is.
Yes, there is a finite number of souls to be saved, but this hardly translates as the number being predesstined. The Father knows when it will Be acheived, and the closer we come to that number, the more demons will be incarnated. Again, this does not negate the working of the freewill of the individual, it underscores it.
Yes, there is a finite number of souls to be saved, but this hardly translates as the number being predesstined. The Father knows when it will Be acheived, and the closer we come to that number, the more demons will be incarnated. Again, this does not negate the working of the freewill of the individual, it underscores it.
God's ways are not man's ways. The laws of physics for mankind do not limit the Almighty. I was drawn to Jesus Christ by the Father, after I repented of the world in favor of all things God. Perhaps you believe this is not a choice. This is your right as a human thinking.
Remember, whosoever willl to the Lord may come? I believe this. I will not be availablefor the rest of the day so if anyone wishes to comment to me, private messages are welcome, and will await......God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.
Remember, whosoever willl to the Lord may come? I believe this. I will not be availablefor the rest of the day so if anyone wishes to comment to me, private messages are welcome, and will await......God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, amen.
H8130
שָׂנֵא
śânê’
BDB Definition:
1) to hate, be hateful
1a) (Qal) to hate
1a1) of man
1a2) of God
1a3) hater, one hating, enemy (participle) (substantive)
1b) (Niphal) to be hated
1c) (Piel) hater (participle)
1c1) of persons, nations, God, wisdom
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root
Same Word by TWOT Number: 2272
Total KJV Occurrences: 145
hate, 68
Gen_24:60, Gen_26:27, Exo_20:5, Lev_26:17 (2), Num_10:35, Deu_7:9-10 (2), Deu_7:15, Deu_19:11, Deu_22:13, Deu_24:3, Deu_30:7, Deu_32:41, Deu_33:11, Jdg_11:7, Jdg_14:16, 2Sa_22:41, 1Ki_22:8, 2Ch_18:7, 2Ch_19:2, Job_8:22, Psa_9:13, Psa_18:40, Psa_21:8, Psa_25:19, Psa_34:21, Psa_38:19 (2), Psa_41:7, Psa_44:10, Psa_68:1, Psa_69:4, Psa_69:14, Psa_83:2, Psa_86:17, Psa_89:23, Psa_97:10, Psa_101:3, Psa_105:25, Psa_118:7, Psa_119:104, Psa_119:113, Psa_119:128, Psa_119:163, Psa_129:5, Pro_1:21-22 (4), Pro_6:16, Pro_8:13 (2), Pro_8:36, Pro_9:8, Pro_19:7, Pro_25:17, Pro_29:10, Isa_61:8 (2), Jer_44:4, Eze_16:27, Amo_5:10, Amo_5:15, Amo_5:21, Amo_6:8, Mic_3:2, Zec_8:17
hated, 42
Gen_29:31, Gen_29:33, Gen_37:4-5 (2), Gen_37:8, Deu_4:42, Deu_19:4, Deu_19:6, Deu_21:15-17 (4), Jos_20:5, Jdg_15:2, 2Sa_5:8, 2Sa_13:15 (2), 2Sa_13:22, 2Sa_22:18, Est_9:1, Est_9:5, Job_31:29, Psa_18:17, Psa_44:5-7 (3), Psa_55:12, Psa_106:10, Psa_106:41, Pro_1:29, Pro_5:12, Pro_14:17, Pro_14:20, Ecc_2:17-18 (2), Isa_60:15, Isa_66:5, Jer_12:8, Eze_16:37, Eze_35:6, Hos_9:15, Mal_1:3
hateth, 20
Exo_23:5, Deu_7:10, Deu_12:31, Deu_16:22, Job_34:16-17 (2), Psa_120:5-6 (2), Pro_11:15, Pro_12:1, Pro_13:5, Pro_13:24, Pro_15:10, Pro_15:27, Pro_26:24, Pro_26:28, Pro_28:16, Pro_29:24, Isa_1:14, Mal_2:16
hatest, 5
2Sa_19:6, Psa_5:5, Psa_45:7, Psa_50:17, Eze_23:28
enemies, 3
Exo_1:10, 2Sa_19:6, 2Ch_1:11
enemy, 2
Pro_25:21, Pro_27:6
foes, 1
Est_9:16
hateful, 1
Psa_36:2
haters, 1
Psa_81:15
hating, 1
Exo_18:21
odious, 1
Pro_30:23
From BDB via E-Sword all Hebrew entries have been stripped
Sorry to take things back a bit but it struck me you cannot love and hate someone. Love appears to be about unrestrained desiring the best of a situations, or a person or of the future. It is the optimistic up side. If there is an upside to something, love will find it and stick with it.
Hate appears to be that thing that turns you away, that you will run from, that nothing freely would make you do such a thing, or be near something, or be positive at all about that thing.
You therefore cannot hate and love someone, but you could love the person but hate how they behave. If unfortunately the behaviour and the person are linked and cannot be separated, then you have to remove the person, because there is no love left, because there is no more upside.
On this basis while there is still time, when people could choose the Lord and love, there is love of people and hope. Once the sin is sealed in there is no more upside, so people are fully rejected and removed.
So while there is hope, the sinner is loved, but once the door is closed, the sinner is rejected or hated.
Hate appears to be that thing that turns you away, that you will run from, that nothing freely would make you do such a thing, or be near something, or be positive at all about that thing.
You therefore cannot hate and love someone, but you could love the person but hate how they behave. If unfortunately the behaviour and the person are linked and cannot be separated, then you have to remove the person, because there is no love left, because there is no more upside.
On this basis while there is still time, when people could choose the Lord and love, there is love of people and hope. Once the sin is sealed in there is no more upside, so people are fully rejected and removed.
So while there is hope, the sinner is loved, but once the door is closed, the sinner is rejected or hated.
I agree that on the surface it appears God hates an individual.
Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.
Mal 1:3
The phrase is looking back over history and saying, love and hate as extreme versions of blessed and judged or condemned or brought bad things about or in parts of scripture, evil.
Now if God hated the sinner, he would say I hate Esau, but this is I have hated Esau, or I have brought bad things upon the people, and they still will not be blessed but will be judged as wicked.
I therefore do not think this effects the concept of God only loving the sinner while there is still hope.
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I use logos bible study, I have access to many lexicons and dictionaries and etc etc..
I posted the possible interpretations of the word. Not sure why we are even arguing.
It does not really matter, Paul quoted an OT passage written by Micah speaking of two nations (not two babies) and he was speaking of his love/hate relationship with those nations. not the two babies of whom their namesake comes. So either way the fatalistic view of romans 9 in that area is incorrect.
I posted the possible interpretations of the word. Not sure why we are even arguing.
It does not really matter, Paul quoted an OT passage written by Micah speaking of two nations (not two babies) and he was speaking of his love/hate relationship with those nations. not the two babies of whom their namesake comes. So either way the fatalistic view of romans 9 in that area is incorrect.