No, this is the satanic thing, that since we can not be perfect. why bother trying.
Exactly my point. You promote "don't try." Even though Jesus said...
Mat 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
You promote the very opposite. You are in complete opposition to Jesus.
Even Paul claimed to be perfect in the context of morality...
Php 3:15
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.
Php 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
That is what separates people like you from true believers in Christ. We admit we can not do it. so keep walking towards God. because we know without his help. we have utterly no hope of doing a thing for him.
Even with God's help you cannot obey God. You argue in favour of perpetual wickedness and disobedience. Even though Jesus said...
Mat 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
...in your mind it is the wicked in heart, whom admit their wickedness and "trust in Jesus," who will see God. It is apparent to me that you have lost your capacity to reason.
Jesus says one thing and you proclaim the very opposite is true.
Vs you, who make yourself clean on the outside. yet are filthy on the inside, a hypocrite. a stain to the church of God.
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Are you just purposefully blind are can you not perceive what is right in front of your eyes. I specifically state over and over that we cleanse ourselves on the inside just as Jesus commanded...
Mat_23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
I am not talking about external cleansing without an internal cleansing. You just ignore any notion of an internal cleansing.
How does an internal cleansing take place?
Simple, via repentance and faith. Repentance whereby we turn from evil and faith whereby we yield to God and are empowered by His Spirit working within us. We are regenerated inwardly by the Holy Ghost and made clean via the implanted word of God. Just as the Bible teaches. Faith purifies the heart.
You are opposed to faith purifying the heart for you constantly defend ongoing filthiness which is the opposite of any purifying.
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Do you have a testimony of your heart being purified by faith? Of course not because you oppose such a thing.
So how foolish you are. If we could do this perfectly (like you claim) God would not have to keep reminding us, because we would not need reminded.
No my faith and hope is in the work of God. Because I certainly can not.
When are you going to stop trusting (and lieing) in and to yourself?
Trusting in myself? I trust in God and walk in the Spirit of His life. Yet because you deny any possibility of one actually being able to WALK in the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ you have to twist such a notion into "trusting in yourself."
Obeying God is not trusting in yourself. Obeying God is simply the RIGHT THING to do.
No. He saved me because I needed saved,
Saved you from what? What did Jesus save you from?
From sin? No, because you claim to still be enslaved by sin.
From wickedness? No, because you still claim to be wicked with an inability to be righteous (ie. inability to do with right thing).
From inward filthiness? No, because you contend for perpetual filthiness whilst one is in a flesh body (just like the Gnostics did).What have you been saved from? Just condemnation for you ongoing wickedness? Is that what salvation is in your mind? Salvation is now some kind of license for wickedness for you can be wicked and not be condemned for it? That is what you are teaching.
In your mind the difference between the "saved" and the "non-saved" is that...
Saved - trust in Jesus - their ongoing wickedness does not condemn them.
Unsaved - do not trust in Jesus - their ongoing wickedness does condemn them.
Isn't that what you believe? You believe everyone is utterly wicked. The wicked will inherit the kingdom because they "trust in Jesus."
Are you really that stupid or are you just trolling in this forum?
need saved, and will continue to need saved, If not. I could save myself. and Jesus wasted his time becoming a man, and suffering all he suffered.
Whoever claimed that they can save themselves apart from Jesus Christ? Certainly not me.
Paul wrote...
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
We are saved by the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ and we are saved from the law of sin and death. Sin reaps death and not-sinning does not, thus God literally saves us from sinning, and is merciful to forgive us of our past transgressions.
How much clearer could it be? You don't look at what is clear and that is why you twist these kind of things into "saving yourself without Jesus." You are a liar to imply that because I speak of the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ in almost every post I make and you NEVER acknowledge that, you IGNORE it on purpose.
Why do you continue to mock the cross of Christ?
The cross of Christ involves this...
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Do you have a testimony of your old man being crucified, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth you no longer SERVE sin? Have you been freed from sin because you are not dead to sin?
Have you obeyed from the heart the doctrine once delivered and have therefore been set free from sin and made a slave of righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Of course not because you proclaim that one CANNOT obey from the heart, so why even try right?
It is you who mock the cross because you don't believe it. You believe in some fantasy religion which is found nowhere save in theological books and the imaginations of men. It is certainly not found in the Bible, even though its proponents isolate and proof text portions of the Bible completely out of context in an attempt to deceive the simple.
This is the cross...
1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Pe 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Do you follow in the STEPS of Jesus? No! You claim that no-one can FOLLOW in His steps, so why even try right?
why are we told to wait for the glorious hope of eternity, if we have already made it?
Eternal life in the end reward for those who ENDURE TO THE END by faithfully continuing in doing good.Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, It is not hard to understand, you just do not want to understand it.
God is going to render to every man according to his DEEDS.
Eternal life is to them who by patient continuance do the right thing, seeking for glory and honour and immortality.
People like you reject that utterly and teach this OSAS notion that you are saved, yet still wicked, and that you'll get eternal life cos you have already got it and it is all a done deal. You are just along for the ride. Are you really going to DIE ONE TIME believing that? Are you that stubborn, foolish and stupid?
There is no magic transformation of our hearts at death. There is no magic transformation of our hearts at the resurrection. We either cleanse that which is within NOW through repentance and faith or it will never occur.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Jesus is going to give to every man according as HIS WORK shall be. That means God is going to judge you according to your DEEDS. If your deeds consist of the service of evil then you will be cast into outer darkness. If your deeds are done in God through the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ then you will find mercy and forgiveness and granted eternal life. There is no middle ground, no grey area. We are all going to stand before the all powerful Creator and Arbiter of the creation NAKED with all delusion stripped bare. Unless we have forsaken evil and been reconciled through Jesus Christ unto God we will stand condemned. DO NOT BE ONE OF THOSE WHO STANDS CONDEMNED, PLEASE.
Faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not seen.
Yes it is. Faith is TANGIBLE. FAITH is ACTIVE. That is why in Hebrews 11 faith is connected to DOING.
Noah BUILT the ark.
Abraham OBEYED God and traveled.
Real faith necessitates deeds of faith, real faith necessitates FAITHFULNESS to God.
The faith you contend for is some mere "trust" which you disconnect from FAITHFULNESS. You have to disconnect faith from faithfulness because you oppose faithfulness being possible. You teach, "we can't, so why even try." You said that in your very own words.
No, this is the satanic thing, that since we can not be perfect. why bother trying. That is what separates people like you from true believers in Christ. We admit we can not do it.
You see your perfection. you do not have faith. you have a lie. because you refuse to acknowledge you can not love God 24/7.
You don't have faith that the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ can set you free from sin. Jesus said...
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them,
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
You advocate the perpetual service of sin and utterly deny that anyone can be set free indeed. What good is this Jesus of yours if he cannot set you free from the service of sin?
The Jesus you believe in is not the real Jesus. It is the product of a corrupt and deceived mind.