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There's no such thing as anti-homospiritual.
You, personally, have to come to Christ. You, personally, have to be given a revelation of who He is and How Much He Loves you. He Loves You, personally.
You can go to church and be around lots of people. But that isn't how you will receive revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It takes much more focus in studying and prayer than being around lots of people in church will allow.
After you have come to Christ and know who He is and How He Loves you, you actually can become a participant, a body part, in the congregation, the Body of Christ.
Otherwise, all you are is a parrot, able to repeat back what you are told in church with no understanding of your own.
Isn't it weird how you can look at every single denomination and see where they are doing just right, and then you can see where they go just a little too far in their "understanding"? I suppose it is the same way with individuals...
You, personally, have to come to Christ. You, personally, have to be given a revelation of who He is and How Much He Loves you. He Loves You, personally.
You can go to church and be around lots of people. But that isn't how you will receive revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.
It takes much more focus in studying and prayer than being around lots of people in church will allow.
After you have come to Christ and know who He is and How He Loves you, you actually can become a participant, a body part, in the congregation, the Body of Christ.
Otherwise, all you are is a parrot, able to repeat back what you are told in church with no understanding of your own.
Isn't it weird how you can look at every single denomination and see where they are doing just right, and then you can see where they go just a little too far in their "understanding"? I suppose it is the same way with individuals...
J
Thank you, but I believe I'm only, as you point out, stating things a lot of us see, all the time, pretty much just putting together the obvious we've most all commented on, from time to time. The only thought I've maybe articulated today that's not said much is how (and probably hadn't said it well, yet!) you come here with peaceful Bible understanding, and you leave assaulted, if you read much, at all. Willie-T was saying the same thing about simplicity. The truth is simple. It's perversion of truth that's complex, this why the perverters have to ramble on so much. You can't find their claims in harmonious exegesis, or let the Bible speak for itself, so you have to lay on the doctrines of men, and devils.
Got to say as a logical proposition it does not hold water.
I design computer systems. They become very difficult to handle if you mix things that should work at different layers of concept, together. It does not mean the ideas are wrong, it just means they have not been separated out well enough.
Let me look at God and the bible. It is a very long book. Just the law is pages and pages long.
The building of the temple, the conflicts with different tribes, these have subtle variations and problems.
Take creation, two different stories with two different intentions and emphasis.
People have written books about just this, and the different implications involved. There are simple things you can draw, but that is just the surface, so it is not true complexity or depth shows error, it just shows complexity.
I design computer systems. They become very difficult to handle if you mix things that should work at different layers of concept, together. It does not mean the ideas are wrong, it just means they have not been separated out well enough.
Let me look at God and the bible. It is a very long book. Just the law is pages and pages long.
The building of the temple, the conflicts with different tribes, these have subtle variations and problems.
Take creation, two different stories with two different intentions and emphasis.
People have written books about just this, and the different implications involved. There are simple things you can draw, but that is just the surface, so it is not true complexity or depth shows error, it just shows complexity.
J
You see this in posts. Times I read some of it, you see the contradictions, like they're sinless, but, when pressed, well, they "stumble." They're saved in their "stumbling," you're damned in your sin. Or you need to keep the law, but they really can't say what law they're keeping, themselves, or explain how they don't even know the whole law they never speak of, to try and keep it, in the first place. None of these legalists would pass muster with a true Jew, rather, hmm, they would pass muster with Ellen White or Herbert Armstrong. (Church lady would say, "Now isn't that special?") It's like, "I don't know anything about it, but you have to do what I say." On analysis, you have some very confused people, tripping over their own feet, who can't stand scrutiny by common sense.
1 Timothy 1:5-6
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
J
Also, back in older times, and something that remains true, though faster processors mask it, inefficient computer code was once called "bloatware." A terrible, sloppy programmer writes pages of code, a smart engineer some lines. Those lines get the job done faster, and are error free. The bloatware guys spend most of their time, trying to find their errors.
S
We are supposed to judge others by their fruits. I don't think this is the condemnatory type of judgement but just the see things as they are kind of judgement.
What are some of the fruits of those around here who claim perfection and an exclusive relationship with Jesus?
1) they stir up dissension and negativity.
2) they never look for the good in others or attempt see another's perspective. (This in itself is a direct and obviously disobedient attitude towards others. "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility, consider others better than you consider yourself.")
Feel free to add more "fruit".
What are some of the fruits of those around here who claim perfection and an exclusive relationship with Jesus?
1) they stir up dissension and negativity.
2) they never look for the good in others or attempt see another's perspective. (This in itself is a direct and obviously disobedient attitude towards others. "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility, consider others better than you consider yourself.")
Feel free to add more "fruit".
J
I've seen that about 1 John 1:8, a passage where John is addressing believers, which sticks out like a sore thumb, could not be more plain. Many, many times it's clear some don't understand painfully clear scripture, and one must wonder why,
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
