a great point you made earlier e.g. they come on here tell us we believe this we think that etc.. and they do not KNOW these things, so it is certainly baring false witness as you said. on a side note, they seem to get upset when they do not hear their words repeated back to them, which is what they do to each other.
Is a life without sinning possible?
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By the way I had to ask, I thought this forum would be much like christian forums where folks just come online from all over the world from various sects of protestism (minus catholicism, obviously). But I am glad someone brought that up, WHICH WE is being spoken of when people say, WE (here) as if its sect of prots that I dont find easily identifiable. I went to the statements link and it denies me permissions to it.
I think its very easy to believe you are coming onto a forum that belongs to no specific sect of prots, but a general forum with no pastor, teacher head (somewheres) that has some doctrine you are violating somehow to this WE (people).
It has only become known more recently that there is a group/sect called "WE" I can never identify (nor do they identify themselves) but insist on other people braking into their home telling this WE (people) some doctrine that differs with one this WE have shaken hands together on but give no one the heads up as to who they are and who belongs to this oragnization (somewheres). And which scriptures posted violates their own doctrine.
Once and awhile some of them which only have a handful of posts and way lesser time (or so it would seem) start on the WE stuff (whoever WE are) We could be Borg for all I know. But the newness of a couple touting the same either indicates an outside church organization people here belong to that is affiliated with the site (seeking converts to itself) or just soon recycling user names for whatever reason, Im not sure but it seems the familarity in this "WE sector" goes beyond the time spent here (having some other affiliation), like some worldwide church sector maybe? Somewhere nationally/ internationally but just expresses itself through a handful of posters (every once and awhile) who pop up out of the woodwork to protest against certain others preaching to this WE entity every now and again.
Folks must be assuming every poster understands who the WE is maybe?
Well, I honestly cannot tell, so for me, if I cant, it could be like walking into a room of catholics (unbeknowns to me) and offending all their idols at with the word of God at every point in just sharing the scriptures in a bible discussion forum as one is supposed to. It would be nice to know whose house I have entered into, because even though people will say its HIS house, it never really is, its always someone elses house (really). That just sounds nice.
But either way, that could add to the problem in communications. Like which man founded the particular doctrine of leaning in this house? Was it Luther, Calvin, Joseph? Those are some names I am familar with from forums,
I guess it doesnt really matter though I wont read through any of those guys stuffs, but a breif lowdown might help.
I think its very easy to believe you are coming onto a forum that belongs to no specific sect of prots, but a general forum with no pastor, teacher head (somewheres) that has some doctrine you are violating somehow to this WE (people).
It has only become known more recently that there is a group/sect called "WE" I can never identify (nor do they identify themselves) but insist on other people braking into their home telling this WE (people) some doctrine that differs with one this WE have shaken hands together on but give no one the heads up as to who they are and who belongs to this oragnization (somewheres). And which scriptures posted violates their own doctrine.
Once and awhile some of them which only have a handful of posts and way lesser time (or so it would seem) start on the WE stuff (whoever WE are) We could be Borg for all I know. But the newness of a couple touting the same either indicates an outside church organization people here belong to that is affiliated with the site (seeking converts to itself) or just soon recycling user names for whatever reason, Im not sure but it seems the familarity in this "WE sector" goes beyond the time spent here (having some other affiliation), like some worldwide church sector maybe? Somewhere nationally/ internationally but just expresses itself through a handful of posters (every once and awhile) who pop up out of the woodwork to protest against certain others preaching to this WE entity every now and again.
Folks must be assuming every poster understands who the WE is maybe?
Well, I honestly cannot tell, so for me, if I cant, it could be like walking into a room of catholics (unbeknowns to me) and offending all their idols at with the word of God at every point in just sharing the scriptures in a bible discussion forum as one is supposed to. It would be nice to know whose house I have entered into, because even though people will say its HIS house, it never really is, its always someone elses house (really). That just sounds nice.
But either way, that could add to the problem in communications. Like which man founded the particular doctrine of leaning in this house? Was it Luther, Calvin, Joseph? Those are some names I am familar with from forums,
I guess it doesnt really matter though I wont read through any of those guys stuffs, but a breif lowdown might help.
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DesiredHaven
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DesiredHaven
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Maybe your one of "them" or "those" kinds the "we's" are looking to condemn. LOL
Well good morning 2 ya (I mean afternoon 2 ya) Im all messed up pulled an all nighter but you were up later.
I just dont know, I keep hearing this WE thing as if there is a pack under some kind of statement of faith (which I cant find anywhere) or I likely found but am locked out of reading it (for whatever reason). But I cannot tell if the WE (whoever WE might be) is legitimate to the site itself or a cult of some sort occupying the sites space, I cannot tell, no info. I went online, it took me to youtube for whatever info I could gather, and searched some vids which seemed to be mostly some disgruntled folks, but I would rather not any hearsy on the matter because folks do enough of that here already, the facts would be nice.
God bless you Bro
You cannot cleanse the inward parts. God cleanses the inward parts by grace. The outside is still unclean until it is replaced with our new glorified bodies.
The blood of Christ atones for our sins, all of them. By this we are justified before the Father in heaven and condemnation is passed over us. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption when we receive our long awaited new bodies made like Christ's resurrected body.
You make yourself clean by blinding yourself to your own sin. It is obvious that those who are saved do not go about to live a life of sin yet because they remain in the body of sin, the body of flesh, they cannot be sinless just yet.
You accuse others of what you see in yourself. We know who is the accuser of the brethren.
Just as obvious as the nose on your face or the beam in your eye.
For the cause of Christ
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ember
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oh...I didn't know you spoke for Ghandi
perceived grace is always interesting, especially when it is used as a barb...which is what Ghandi was doing when he made that statement...kind of what you are doing
a person can quote a Jehovah witness or a slogan in morning paper...it only has meaning to the one who gives it meaning
well, I'll let you get back with the sinless crowd
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DesiredHaven
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Lets read that again
That might be better, and....
But I will get back to the thread thanks
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sparkman
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Skinsky7 denies core doctrines of the Christian faith including original sin, imputed righteousness, justification by faith alone, and penal substitutionary atonement. His theology is works oriented. I wouldn't give him the time of day. He follows the teachings of Mike Desario who is a YouTube heretic.
You assume that this is a belief on Jesus while one can do evil instead of believing in Jesus Christ as He is described in the Bible who had specific teachings that He wanted us to follow. For the belief on the Son is identified with not only the Son of God alone but what He taught, too.
In fact, we know you cannot do evil or sin as a part of John 3:16. The context does not allow it. Read the "Condemnation" in John 3:19-21.
For Jesus says in verse 20,
"For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed."
From my understanding of what you said to me so far here at CC (And your backing of others here): You believe all future sin is forgiven you and that confessing and forsaking all known sin is not necessary in order to be saved. You believe you should live a generally holy life, but you make an allowance for some sin to exist in your life because you believe you will forever be a slave to sin in this life. You believe even if you sin a little, you will still be saved (even if there is no desire to confess or forsake that sin). If this is indeed what you believe, then that means you are not repenting of your sins (According to the Bible).
For Jesus defined Biblical repentance for us. Jesus said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to the end of Jonah chapter 3, you would see that the Ninevites had turned from their evil and wicked way as a part of their repentance.
For Jesus said, if you sin, you are a slave to sin.
Jesus did not say this to the Pharisees in a favorable way.
It matters not what the world or Hollywood thinks. What matters is what does God and His Word says.
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Dear Utah:
See, the difference between us is that you and others here make an allowance for evil with the thinking God will just turn a blind eye to it. Whereas I do not. If sin does arise in a believer's life they are sorrowful over that sin (In a Godly way) and they confess that sin with the intention they will never do it again. They ask God to help them to stop or to overcome that sin. They do not stay down in the mud defeated in sin. For sin shall not have dominion over a true believer (Romans 6:14). God's people always strive to do good and to remain pure and holy in the Lord and they do not make excuses that their sin is automatically paid for (So then they can get away with doing a little bit of sin on the side while also having their keys to the Kingdom).
See, the difference between us is that you and others here make an allowance for evil with the thinking God will just turn a blind eye to it. Whereas I do not. If sin does arise in a believer's life they are sorrowful over that sin (In a Godly way) and they confess that sin with the intention they will never do it again. They ask God to help them to stop or to overcome that sin. They do not stay down in the mud defeated in sin. For sin shall not have dominion over a true believer (Romans 6:14). God's people always strive to do good and to remain pure and holy in the Lord and they do not make excuses that their sin is automatically paid for (So then they can get away with doing a little bit of sin on the side while also having their keys to the Kingdom).
footnote : there's a lot of legal beagles, i.e. 'legalistic' people who know they are not righteous at all.
besides that, as Yahshua told Peter "what I have made righteous, don't call unclean"....
but the grace only types who think they don't have to repent, there's just no righteousness for them, according to Jesus and all of Scripture.
besides that, as Yahshua told Peter "what I have made righteous, don't call unclean"....
but the grace only types who think they don't have to repent, there's just no righteousness for them, according to Jesus and all of Scripture.
If you teach a sin and still be saved doctrine then it does not matter if you even live a perfect and holy life (Whereby you even confess your sins). Why? Because if you agree with others here who say future sin is forgiven you or that you can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying, lusting, hating, etc.) with the thinking that you are still saved, then you are giving people a license or an allowance for sin; And God will hold you accountable for leading people astray down the wrong path. For OSAS is wrong and it is immoral if that is what you believe. For God will not condone sin or turn a blind eye to sin if His people do evil. Yes, God does chastise His people. But this is only for those who are not bastard children and who desire to actually please the Lord by obeying Him. For only those who are rebellious despise correction. The purpose of chastisement is to correct the bad behavior. Yet everyone here is saying they will forever be in bad behavior by the fact they will always sin. See the contradiction in what you and others here believe?
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Actually the above rendering is taken from the King James 2000 Bible.
The word "exposed" should be "reproved" as the original King James has it.
A person needs to be reproved or corrected in regards to their evil deeds.
"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
(John 3:20 KJV).
For everyone that does evil hates the light. --- Unless of course their deeds should be reproved or corrected whereby they admit their sin and confess and forsake it before God.
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ember is a liar, unrepentant. see the series of posts past >>
note that ember continued without repenting (so not being forgiven by God, as without repentance is no forgiveness of sin),
ember lied and said she didn't lie even after her own lying posts were quoted, (even though they were so recent she knew it still,or quite seriously didn't ever even realize it herself! she's so deceived and driven by demons(yes, demons) ) .
note that in red is not the only nor even the most important lie ember told/tells..... but just one is enough.... so we won't get into the others unless pressed.... and then also only if Yahweh permits....
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DesiredHaven
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I had to read those 5 times, that was actually easy to miss, the IF YOU DO part (in your post) should have been highlighted or underlined to catch that a bit easier, could have just be a mistake on her part.
Your descriptions of people who sin without remorse makes me think of mafia guys who attend mass every Sunday, but in between Sundays they break legs and kill. I don't see much repenting, there. However, this does not exemplify the common Christian who knows they will always fall short but lean thankfully on Jesus' saving grace.
On another note, I personally have never met anyone who desires to sin only a little, yet has no desire to repent at all. The combination simply does not exist within Christendom for those who rely on Jesus' saving grace.