God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

[Mitspa]

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

 

[Mitspa]

I just cant understand why all those who claim to keep the ten commandments cant see how sinful they are? I wonder if there is some kind of blindness that comes with legalism?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[Reborn]

The BIble says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (1 John 1:9). It also says if we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).

Where's 1 John 1:8 ?

 

[Jeff_56]

we (ekklesia in union with yahshua, immersed in his name)
have always known that you don't understand.

as long as you commit adultery willingly(as you have admitted), you cannot understand.

do you want to understand ? repentance is required, and

it will take time, and mercy, and Yahweh's Willingness.

I just cant understand why all those who claim to keep the ten commandments cant see how sinful they are? I wonder if there is some kind of blindness that comes with legalism?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[Tankman131]

Where's 1 John 1:8 ?

Oh yeah, that one didnt fit the narrative so it was left out

 

[Tankman131]

This is where you need to just sit down and shut your coconut hole learn at the feet of the mighty Jason 0047.

What is really sad is the altar of Jason0047 has a new convert and attendee, desiredhaven.

Either that or Jason thinks having two accounts makes him more similar to God.

 

[Mitspa]

we (ekklesia in union with yahshua, immersed in his name)
have always known that you don't understand.

as long as you commit adultery willingly(as you have admitted), you cannot understand.

do you want to understand ? repentance is required, and

it will take time, and mercy, and Yahweh's Willingness.

Or just read what God wrote in clear and evident words

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 

[Sirk]

What is really sad is the altar of Jason0047 has a new convert and attendee, desiredhaven.

Either that or Jason thinks having two accounts makes him more similar to God.

I think it's two maybe three accounts.

 

[Tankman131]

I think it's two maybe three accounts.

Three would fit with his view of being as perfect as God.

 

[Jeff_56]

why should i read it (again)? ... or rather, how will that help you gain understanding ?

"Originally Posted by Mitspa : I just cant understand ... "

see,
you are the one who said you don't understand,

and i agree with you , you don't understand,

and all the ekklesia (born ones of God) agree - you don't understand.

so,

do you want to understand? (it may not be possible, because just wanting something doesn't mean you will get it, btw).

but to gain understanding , if you are willing, might be achieved by God's Grace in Jesus.

Or just read what God wrote in clear and evident words

1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 

[Tankman131]

Now Jeff is a different beast all together. He is to people what Yet is to the church.

 

[Mitspa]

why should i read it (again)? ... or rather, how will that help you gain understanding ?

"Originally Posted by Mitspa : I just cant understand ... "

see,
you are the one who said you don't understand,

and i agree with you , you don't understand,

and all the ekklesia (born ones of God) agree - you don't understand.

so,

do you want to understand? (it may not be possible, because just wanting something doesn't mean you will get it, btw).

but to gain understanding , if you are willing, might be achieved by God's Grace in Jesus.

So in your theology ...the words of the bible really don't mean what they say? Thanks but I will just stay with believing the bible

 

[Jeff_56]

now you just try to sidetrack but that won't work. get back to "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND" as you posted earlier.

you don't understand the bible, or you wouldn't fight against it every day(or so you appear to do).

you admitted -- yes, I'll quote below what you said -- that YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND,
and we alive in the body of Christ agree - YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. just like YOU SAID.

--------------------------------------previous posts >>>>>
"we (ekklesia in union with yahshua, immersed in his name)
have always known that you don't understand.

as long as (mitspa) you commit adultery willingly(as you (mitspa) have admitted), you cannot understand.

do you want to understand ? repentance is required, and

it will take time, and mercy, and Yahweh's Willingness.

Originally Posted by Mitspa

I just cant understand why all those who claim to keep the ten commandments cant see how sinful they are? I wonder if there is some kind of blindness that comes with legalism?

2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

So in your theology ...the words of the bible really don't mean what they say? Thanks but I will just stay with believing the bible

 

[SarahM777]

You were doing well when you were just quoting Scripture alone and then when you added a personal opinion, it just nullified what the Word of God was saying. For the Bible does say you can cease from sin (See 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24). For Peter identifies certain false prophets as not having ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

Passages TAKEN OUT of context change the clear meanings of the passages when TAKEN IN CONTEXT.

1 Peter 4

Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because whoever suffers in the body is done with sin. [SUP]2 [/SUP]As a result, they do not live the rest of their earthly lives for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. [SUP]4 [/SUP]They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

Galatians 5

[SUP]13 [/SUP]You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[SUP][a][/SUP]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[SUP][c][/SUP] you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP]The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions [SUP]21 [/SUP]and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, [SUP]5 [/SUP]for each one should carry their own load. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

2 Peter 2

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. [SUP]3[/SUP]In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[SUP][a][/SUP] putting them in chains of darkness[SUP][b][/SUP] to be held for judgment; [SUP]5 [/SUP]if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [SUP]6 [/SUP]if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [SUP]7 [/SUP]and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless [SUP]8 [/SUP](for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— [SUP]9 [/SUP]if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh[SUP][c][/SUP] and despise authority.

Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings; [SUP]11 [/SUP]yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from[SUP][d][/SUP] the Lord. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]14[/SUP]With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood! [SUP]15 [/SUP]They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer,[SUP][f][/SUP] who loved the wages of wickedness. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. [SUP]18[/SUP]For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[SUP][g][/SUP] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

 

[SarahM777]

Where's 1 John 1:8 ?

I found it,along with 1 John 1:10.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[SUP][b][/SUP] sin.
[SUP]8[/SUP]If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10[/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

 

[SarahM777]

You were doing well when you were just quoting Scripture alone and then when you added a personal opinion, it just nullified what the Word of God was saying. For the Bible does say you can cease from sin (See 1 Peter 4:1, and Galatians 5:24). For Peter identifies certain false prophets as not having ceased from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

UMMM When are going to comment on the rest of those passages WITHIN their context instead of pulling them OUT OF CONTEXT? The sin that MUST stop within the context is REBELLION. The rebellion MUST stop because of what is at the root of rebellion and that is UNBELIEF AND HATRED.

 

[p_rehbein]

People should understand that we STRIVE to live 'sinless,' and, one day when this imperfect puts on the perfect, we will achieve our goal! We strive daily to walk Christ like, and, one day when this imperfect puts on the perfect, we will achieve our goal!


Any person who believes they go through each and every day of THIS life without sinning is fooling themselves in my opinion.

 

[Jason0047]

yes, THANKFULLY! (WHEW!) ....

now, rhetorically almost, on this forum there's many who 'confess' their sins but keep doing them -- i.e. they don't 'repent', but only just admit that they sin... (and even say the sin is more powerful than they are )... and that because sin is more powerful than they are, it's okay to sin!!! (willingly!! just let sin live in the house, instead of kicking it out, so to speak) ...

is that type of 'confession' different from a true believer's confession (that includes repentance)?

Yes, what they don't want to hear is that Jesus defined repentance for us. That the Ninevites shall rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. We know that the Ninevites turned from their evil and wicked ways as a part of their repentance at the end of Jonah chapter 3. But will they see that? It is my prayer that they do.

 

[Jason0047]

People should understand that we STRIVE to live 'sinless,' and, one day when this imperfect puts on the perfect, we will achieve our goal! We strive daily to walk Christ like, and, one day when this imperfect puts on the perfect, we will achieve our goal!


Any person who believes they go through each and every day of THIS life without sinning is fooling themselves in my opinion.

And the Bible disagrees wth you.

1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased (stopped) from sin.

Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with affections and lusts.

Peter identifies certain false prophets as having eyes full of adultery who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14).

Jesus says be ye perfect as your heavenly father is perfect (Matthew 5:48).

Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

John says he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4).

Jesus told the woman caught in the act of adultery to .... "sin no more." (John 8:11).

Jesus said to the Pharisees, ""Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." (John 8:34).

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2).

Jesus defined repentance for us in the Bible. Jesus said the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would learn that they turned from their wicked and evil ways as a part of their repentance (Matthew 12:41) (Jonah 3:8-10).

 

[Jason0047]

UMMM When are going to comment on the rest of those passages WITHIN their context instead of pulling them OUT OF CONTEXT? The sin that MUST stop within the context is REBELLION. The rebellion MUST stop because of what is at the root of rebellion and that is UNBELIEF AND HATRED.

Are you saying the sin must stop otherwise it is rebellion, is that correct? I would agree with that. Not sure what you are trying to say different (than what I am saying on that point).

Do you believe you can die in unrepentant sin and still be saved? Some here believe that.
Do you believe future sin is forgiven you? Some here believe that.
Do you believe you will forever be a slave to your sin in this life? Most here believe that.
Do you believe you can be out of fellowship and still be saved? Alot of folks here believe that.
Do you believe 1 John 1:8 says you must have sin in your life otherwise you are lying? Alot of folks here believe that.
Do you believe that you can just generally live a holy life but it is okay if you sin those types of sins that lead unto death (Like lying, lusting, hating, etc.)?
Do you believe repentance is a change of mind? Or do you believe repentance involves admitting sin (1 John 1:9) and forsaking it? (1 John 1:7).
(Please take note that a new convert merely has to admit they are a sinner; If they sin again, they need to confess their sin in order to be forgiven of it.).
Do you believe you have to confess sin in order to be forgiven of it so as to be saved?
Do you believe you have to forsake sin to be saved?

Answering these questons (as painful as it may be for you) will help me to know what you believe and where you are coming from.