God loves the sinner and hates the sin.

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Tankman131

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How about you write your own post and not make me read the copy-paste that you already posted and that I already read (and totally disagree with it).

What's your point? That we should hate the sinners? Didn't Christ taught us to love even our enemies?
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Also, on the contrary i do not believe we should hate at all. We should not "love the sinner, hate the sin." We should, "love the sinner." Period. We as fallen humans cant help but add malice to our hate, and sin is part of the nature of the sinner so hating the sin leads to hating the sinner, both directly and indirectly. God hates sin and sinners in a way we cannot, in a perfect way without malice, out of justice.

Due to the fact we cant hate the way God can, we are called simply to love. When you act it should be out of love, whether you are rebuking your fellow christian or comforting a friend.
 
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So i ask all of you because the "hate the sin love the sinner" cliche is unbiblical, will you change you view and feelings to what God's scriptures teach, or will you disregard the scriptures and follow a god of self? The scriptures teach us to love the sinner, to do all we do out of love. The cliche calls us to hate as well as love.
 
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So i ask all of you because the "hate the sin love the sinner" cliche is unbiblical, will you change you view and feelings to what God's scriptures teach, or will you disregard the scriptures and follow a god of self? The scriptures teach us to love the sinner, to do all we do out of love. The cliche calls us to hate as well as love.
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Same with..."God doesn't give anything more than you can handle".
 
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Tankman131 said:
So i ask all of you because the "hate the sin love the sinner" cliche is unbiblical, will you change you view and feelings to what God's scriptures teach, or will you disregard the scriptures and follow a god of self? The scriptures teach us to love the sinner, to do all we do out of love. The cliche calls us to hate as well as love.
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Really, where does the scriptures teach you it is ok to hate ????

The bible says hating is another and those who hate another Jesus says they have already murdered in their heart.
 
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kennethcadwell said:
Really, where does the scriptures teach you it is ok to hate ????

The bible says hating is another and those who hate another Jesus says they have already murdered in their heart.
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You may want to reread what he said. He did NOT say the Bible said to hate,he said the CLICHE "hate the sin love the sinner" calls us to hate.
 
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Really, where does the scriptures teach you it is ok to hate ????

The bible says hating is another and those who hate another Jesus says they have already murdered in their heart.
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Where does the scriptures teach you that ALL hate is sin? I have shown that God indeed hates certain people. Is He sinning while doing so? Think deep before you answer.
 
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Tankman131 said:
Also, on the contrary i do not believe we should hate at all. We should not "love the sinner, hate the sin." We should, "love the sinner." Period. We as fallen humans cant help but add malice to our hate, and sin is part of the nature of the sinner so hating the sin leads to hating the sinner, both directly and indirectly. God hates sin and sinners in a way we cannot, in a perfect way without malice, out of justice.

Due to the fact we cant hate the way God can, we are called simply to love. When you act it should be out of love, whether you are rebuking your fellow christian or comforting a friend.
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Sorry. I misread you the first time. I agree with you.
 
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The points made in this have not been addressed. If you are choosing to simply ignore the bible verses included then you are choosing to believe your own theology, not biblical theology.
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I did not see this post of yours. What has your copy-pasted comment have to do with what I've said?

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Also, on the contrary i do not believe we should hate at all. We should not "love the sinner, hate the sin." We should, "love the sinner." Period. We as fallen humans cant help but add malice to our hate, and sin is part of the nature of the sinner so hating the sin leads to hating the sinner, both directly and indirectly. God hates sin and sinners in a way we cannot, in a perfect way without malice, out of justice.

Due to the fact we cant hate the way God can, we are called simply to love. When you act it should be out of love, whether you are rebuking your fellow christian or comforting a friend.
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I know I said I agree with this but I have to admit that I made a compromise in my intelligence to gasp the expression "hating without malice". I am guessing it is your way of saying that God is just. Why not simply saying that He is just? Why saying that God hates with a perfect hate? It sounds ...stupid.

Why are some christians here so quick in defending this idea of a hateful God? It's beyond me.
 
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I think God hates sin and the sinner. God loves the repentant sinner, but he plans to cast the unrepentant non-believing sinners into the Lake of Fire. So in that respect, God does not separate his dislike of sin from those who commit sin. Our sins are only blotted-out via the blood of Christ, which is why God does not hate believers whom Jesus called to repentance.
 
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I think God hates sin and the sinner. God loves the repentant sinner, but he plans to cast the unrepentant non-believing sinners into the Lake of Fire. So in that respect, God does not separate his dislike of sin from those who commit sin. Our sins are only blotted-out via the blood of Christ, which is why God does not hate believers whom Jesus called to repentance.
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I don't agree that God hates. Hate is a human passion. The Lake of Fire is not the expression of God's hate, but of God's love. God is fire, a consuming fire, the Holy Spirit is fire, the heart of the disciples was fire while Jesus Christ was talking to them on the road to Emmaus. Of course I am not talking about the material fire that God Himself created, but about the un-created fire and light that the very nature of God irradiates.
 
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I don't agree that God hates. Hate is a human passion.
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i agree God does not hate the way we do, but...

you have a Bible, right? :)

check out the many times God says He hates something or someone. :)
 
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psychomom said:
i agree God does not hate the way we do, but...

you have a Bible, right? :)

check out the many times God says He hates something or someone. :)
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I imagine you refer to the same passages that are brought up by atheists when they try to prove that God is evil?
And why the smile? If God really hates people... is that a reason to smile?

Both atheists and a lot of christians (including myself) treat the Bible as if it was a book available for any mind and person (no matter how ignorant). Nothing more false than this. Christians, do your homeworks! There are plenty of books that explain the Old Testament, that explain Judaism, the language used in the Bible etc. etc.
Sola Scriptura is only possible if you have strong preparation in history, not if you have a Bible, read it, but ignore the context of it.

Things are not so easy as they seem. However, I am more right when I say that God loves than you, when you say that He hates.
 
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I imagine you refer to the same passages that are brought up by atheists when they try to prove that God is evil?
And why the smile? If God really hates people... is that a reason to smile?

Both atheists and a lot of christians (including myself) treat the Bible as if it was a book available for any mind and person (no matter how ignorant). Nothing more false than this. Christians, do your homeworks! There are plenty of books that explain the Old Testament, that explain Judaism, the language used in the Bible etc. etc.
Sola Scriptura is only possible if you have strong preparation in history, not if you have a Bible, read it, but ignore the context of it.

Things are not so easy as they seem. However, I am more right when I say that God loves than you, when you say that He hates.
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very well.

i was smiling at you, not the thought. so as not to be misconstrued as being antagonistic.

i accept what God says about Himself.
 
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psychomom said:
very well.

i was smiling at you, not the thought. so as not to be misconstrued as being antagonistic.

i accept what God says about Himself.
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It saddens me that a person had the idea to start a thread about God's love for the sinners and the christians found a way to bring this thread down. I ignore Jason's theology (in general), but the topic about God's love is supposed to be a matter on which we all agree...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Except that nobody here to my knowledge is choosing to walk away from God....so you're shadow boxing over in the corner all by yourself.
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He is really no different than jason. Maybe not as deep.

They refuse to answer how A person who had a complete trust in someone, say, GOD. And even though that someone, say GOD, never lets them down, they would ever lose faith in them, to the point of walking away.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well no I am not shadow boxing by myself, because I seen a few previous posts where like always people are only stating from the parents view. You may still love your kids no matter what they do, but if they choose to never have anything to do with you again when they get older that is their choice.

This choice God gives us as well when it comes to salvation, for He tells us to choose to serve Him or choose to serve flesh/sin.
Serving Him leads to eternal life through Jesus Christ, but serving flesh/sin which is to be carnally minded and leads to spiritual death in the lake of fire. We can not serve both !!!
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Yet over and over we have seen parents of children who have committed horrific crimes, Prove their unconditional love to them, They did not disown the child. they were still the child of the parent,

You have God taking his parent hood away, and kicking the child out of the family WHO HE ADOPTED.. (ie he made a mistake adopting the kid to begin with)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you are taking it as harsh then you must be feeling the conviction from the Holy Spirit.
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lol. Wow, now I have heard everything, no pride there!


You questioned the man's faith, and because he responded harsh, He is being convicted?

Woe to the blind, for their reward will be harsh.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yet, you didn't address 1 John 2:4 and 1 John 1:6. They are verses that are in context of 1 John 1:8 (Which refutes your wrong thinking on that verse).
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Sorry bud, 1 John 2: 4 and 1 John 1: 6 can not contradict the literal words of 1 John 1: 8.

Your problem is you need to adress those two verses and make them come into agreement and not contradict 1 John 1: 8...

1 John 1: 8 still stands. no matter what you say.

Thats like saying John said in those two passages that John was claiming that 2+ 2 is 5. yet in 1 John 1: 8 John said 2+ 2 is 4.. He is either a child who does not understand things, a old man who is losing his mind, or, (if he is an apostle of God) we missed interpreted him to say 2: 2 is 5 in the other two verses. he was actually talking about something else
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Oh, and by the way: Happy Birthday Eternally Grateful.
We may disagree strongly on Scripture, but I do love and care for you none the less.

May the Lord's love shine upon you on such a special day.
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thanks, I had a blessed day with family (blood and church)
 
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