Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[Cruisyazz]

I use to judge homosexuality quite harshly when I was going to church. I have since realised this is wrong.
It seems like Christians really like to single this particular "sin" out and go to war with it quickly judging how despicable it is in the eyes of God.
lying, lust, greed, envy etc etc are just as bad but is approached differently from Christians. Why? On top of that these are most probably worst because they can be done in secret and the pastor you are receiving revelations of could be living in these sins and you don't have the opportunity to yell SINNER!
If a gay person tells me they where born that way, who, as a straight person am i or you to judge otherwise?
I would go as far to say that the way that gay is judged amongst the Christians community is preventing these people from finding God.
God is the only one worthy of pegging a rock at our head. Also he is the only one able to deal with a mans heart. If it needs changing us telling them to change won't help but perhaps leading them into a closer relationship with the Lord would help
i apologise for my generalisation because not all Christians are like this.

 

[Ugly]

Oldhermit I am just having a conversation. You just want me banned because I don't believe in the same thing.

You join this site, immediately start topics that you know will be controversial and vehemently argue your point while disparaging the beliefs of the forum that You Chose to join. So far your time here has been nothing but putting the people on this site down, putting God down and defending a position you know most here will stand against. Then you turn around and play the martyr 'you just want me banned because i don't believe in the same thing'.
Actually, no, he wants you banned because it's clear your only reason in being here is to start trouble and argue. You clearly did not come here to learn or listen but to inform us that we believe in an 'imaginary person', tells us how wrong we are for using a 'book' and promote homosexuality. This is not a matter of you coming here and being respectful. You came here with one, obvious, intention, and that intention has nothing to do with being friendly, to listen, learn or just be friendly. You're plainly a trouble maker.
And when you inevitably get banned, it won't be because you're gay, or because you have different beliefs, it'll be because you came to this site to be a disruption and a nuisance, though i'm sure that won't stop you from going around crying about how you were banned for being gay. You'll conveniently leave out your attacks, criticisms, disrespect, etc... that you started with.

 

[Ugly]

I use to judge homosexuality quite harshly when I was going to church. I have since realised this is wrong.
It seems like Christians really like to single this particular "sin" out and go to war with it quickly judging how despicable it is in the eyes of God.
lying, lust, greed, envy etc etc are just as bad but is approached differently from Christians. Why? On top of that these are most probably worst because they can be done in secret and the pastor you are receiving revelations of could be living in these sins and you don't have the opportunity to yell SINNER!
If a gay person tells me they where born that way, who, as a straight person am i or you to judge otherwise?
I would go as far to say that the way that gay is judged amongst the Christians community is preventing these people from finding God.
God is the only one worthy of pegging a rock at our head. Also he is the only one able to deal with a mans heart. If it needs changing us telling them to change won't help but perhaps leading them into a closer relationship with the Lord would help
i apologise for my generalisation because not all Christians are like this.

Actually the reason homosexuality is so singled out now is that (at least in the US) we are having it force fed to us. If we do not fully support homosexuality then we are labeled as bigot, homophobe, hatemonger, etc... all for having the view of 'no i think that's wrong'.
Not only that they have pushed it into schools and now our public schools teach children that it is ok and acceptable. Homosexuals coming out are lauded as brave and courageous as if this person has suddenly been elevated to a higher status because of their sexual preference.
So when a set of beliefs are crammed down your throat and you are told you are hateful and the enemy if you just simply disagree, then yeah, you're going to draw fire. You're going to get attention. And this has more to do with why homosexuals do not seek God. The bible teaches they are wrong and homosexuals tell us we are bad people, lesser quality people, for not supporting them 100%. As long as homosexuals demand this 'all or nothing' attitude and don't allow people to have their own opinions they are going to continue pushing people away and causing a stronger basis for people judging them.

 

[p_rehbein]

Ok judge jury and executioner, thanks for letting me know, by the way I’m not saying he’s not, just that we should represent Christ better than you are.

Maybe we should treat such as he as Jesus did the moneychangers in the Temple?

 

[Jimbone]

Maybe we should treat such as he as Jesus did the moneychangers in the Temple?

If that’s what you feel lead to do then by all means. I have posted how I feel about it, but don't think it's worth fighting with brothers and sisters with no end over it. Have at it, I'm sure you were always perfect and that no Christian should have talk to you at all until you saw things exactly as they did. If that's how the Spirit tells you to act then have at it, and I'll act in the way He leads me too. Good enough?

 

[Grandpa]

same one who just got removed an hour ago as "sailormoonguardian" posting in the new member intros, IMO.
((those threads got removed))
immediately made a new account.

just a person who idolizes their libido & is religiously defending it.
crazy how you never see trolls who are up in arms about "being covetous is not a choice!" isn't it?
lusts of the flesh & lusts of the eyes produce different kinds of fruit, i guess. but it's the same kind in another sense - rotten, bitter, and bad for ones health.

I was going to ask that same thing.

How come some people come to Christ knowing there is no excuse for their sin, only that they want help?

And some people don't come to Christ but instead try to excuse their sin through some sort of mental gymnastics?

Salvation is truly a miracle.

Isn't it weird that people can't choose goodness for themselves on their own? Isn't it weird that people confuse their desires and choose that over what is truly good for them? And then make excuses for it...

Deception. The whole world is deceived. Following after their natural desires and thinking it is good.

Romans 1:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 

[p_rehbein]

If that’s what you feel lead to do then by all means. I have posted how I feel about it, but don't think it's worth fighting with brothers and sisters with no end over it. Have at it, I'm sure you were always perfect and that no Christian should have talk to you at all until you saw things exactly as they did. If that's how the Spirit tells you to act then have at it, and I'll act in the way He leads me too. Good enough?

You criticize me/us for realizing what purpose this person is here for and then say this? Sounds a wee bit critical there.....

And the error of your logic is that this person is NOT a Brother in Christ, he openly states he is not.

 

[Jimbone]

You criticize me/us for realizing what purpose this person is here for and then say this? Sounds a wee bit critical there.....

And the error of your logic is that this person is NOT a Brother in Christ, he openly states he is not.

Ok, I never called him a "Brother in Christ", I was talking about y'all when I said that. And I will call out anyone I feel isn't representing Christ the right way, as I'm sure any of us would, you have no problem calling me out for saying we should be more loving and gospel sharing instead of just pushing people away off the jump because we don’t like what they believe. Like I said if the Spirit leads you to write people off that fast and never even try to show His love and patience with each and every one of us then you can act accordingly, but my points obviously hit a nerve with you, ever wonder why me promoting being more loving to all offends you so much? I take back nothing I said and meant it 100%. I don't share your view at all, sorry if you don't like it.

 

[Lifetrack]

If that’s what you feel lead to do then by all means. I have posted how I feel about it, but don't think it's worth fighting with brothers and sisters with no end over it. Have at it, I'm sure you were always perfect and that no Christian should have talk to you at all until you saw things exactly as they did. If that's how the Spirit tells you to act then have at it, and I'll act in the way He leads me too. Good enough?

I'm not that good with words, but i agree fully with you. There is certainly much truth in what christians like those who feel anger and offense in gay attitude, so do i. The difference is homosexuallity is also a deviation. The laws of the world try to deny this, real discusting man and woman jump on the same horse only to get there own sick pleasures, they are not gay, just evil. I pray for the innocent who are gay but don't want to practice it. It's hard on them from both sides.

 

[Tankman131]

OP, why does this bother you?

I do many many things that various groups of people will find wrong or offensive. But I could care less what they think. And I certainly wouldn't waste my time seeking those groups out and try to tell then otherwise.

THIS^^^^^^

ISIS thinks im a horrible person. That doesnt mean i go to their website to be a troll. I have empathy for OP, but at the same time, it is hard to care what a troll has to say. If OP had come here with genuine questions or to discuss, that would be one thing. He instead showed up to yell at those he doesnt like.

 

[Cruisyazz]

Actually the reason homosexuality is so singled out now is that (at least in the US) we are having it force fed to us. If we do not fully support homosexuality then we are labeled as bigot, homophobe, hatemonger, etc... all for having the view of 'no i think that's wrong'.
Not only that they have pushed it into schools and now our public schools teach children that it is ok and acceptable. Homosexuals coming out are lauded as brave and courageous as if this person has suddenly been elevated to a higher status because of their sexual preference.
So when a set of beliefs are crammed down your throat and you are told you are hateful and the enemy if you just simply disagree, then yeah, you're going to draw fire. You're going to get attention. And this has more to do with why homosexuals do not seek God. The bible teaches they are wrong and homosexuals tell us we are bad people, lesser quality people, for not supporting them 100%. As long as homosexuals demand this 'all or nothing' attitude and don't allow people to have their own opinions they are going to continue pushing people away and causing a stronger basis for people judging them.

I can agree the issue has been flogged all through the media etc and it does tend make the scale tip over to the other side which is annoying. However that is what tends to happen whenever there is a reform wether it is woman's rights, racist acts etc. People go way overboard with it so if your argument is in regards to that then I am on your side there.
But the reason these reforms happen in the first place is because of the homo haters, racist pricks and male chauvinist out there. Christians are as much to blame for the amount of attention this topic gets as the gay person is. Both sides of the fence are cramming 2 different beliefs down our throat.
If a gay person is born gay like they say then the view "no I think it is wrong" should not even have been said in the first place. that is casting a stone no?

 

[Jimbone]

THIS^^^^^^

ISIS thinks im a horrible person. That doesnt mean i go to their website to be a troll. I have empathy for OP, but at the same time, it is hard to care what a troll has to say. If OP had come here with genuine questions or to discuss, that would be one thing. He instead showed up to yell at those he doesnt like.

I agree to a point, but this is this persons eternal soul we are talking about and he did seek to be on a Christian site for whatever reason. I don't want to see ANYONE be removed from God for any reason, and if taking a little of their misguided view to maybe plant a seed the GOD will grow could change that then I WANT them to come here. Now please understand that I also feel if they are just coming here to make trouble and cause problems then there comes a point when they should be shown the door, but still feel we should start with love and try to do what we are called to do. If this person came in with the attitude to show us God's word is wrong and we are hateful bigots and is met with overwhelming love and friendly discussion about the subject then who knows what God would work in his heart? If he comes expecting to be met with exactly what the world tells him he will be met with then it could have the exact opposite effect. Gods in control either way, but I think we should share the Truth He's given us with love, or at least attempt to at first no matter what their intentions were to begin with.

 

[jsr1221]

Falling in Love and being gay are two totally different entities. The Bible doesn't say being in Love is an abomination. Lets get real here.

What do you call a man being in love with another man or a woman being in love with another woman, then? My roommate from college is my best friend. It'd be pretty weird if I were to say I were in love with him, though. What would that make it according to the Bible? Not sure why you're saying "let's get real here".

 

[Grandpa]

I agree to a point, but this is this persons eternal soul we are talking about and he did seek to be on a Christian site for whatever reason. I don't want to see ANYONE be removed from God for any reason, and if taking a little of their misguided view to maybe plant a seed the GOD will grow could change that then I WANT them to come here. Now please understand that I also feel if they are just coming here to make trouble and cause problems then there comes a point when they should be shown the door, but still feel we should start with love and try to do what we are called to do. If this person came in with the attitude to show us God's word is wrong and we are hateful bigots and is met with overwhelming love and friendly discussion about the subject then who knows what God would work in his heart? If he comes expecting to be met with exactly what the world tells him he will be met with then it could have the exact opposite effect. Gods in control either way, but I think we should share the Truth He's given us with love, or at least attempt to at first no matter what their intentions were to begin with.

How is an un-believer to come to Christ?

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Why? Because His Law is what brings us to Christ.

If a person can't be shown their very basic error how can they be led to Christ?

 

[Jimbone]

How is an un-believer to come to Christ?

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Why? Because His Law is what brings us to Christ.

If a person can't be shown their very basic error how can they be led to Christ?

I don't know nor pretend to know how or why God works the way He does, I just know we are His sheep and called to be the salt of the earth. I just don't think the first comments this guy got are very representative of Christ love and mercy, not the love and mercy He's shown me and each and every one of us when we were saved. I didn't grow up in the church or around it. People could have easily lost any hope I would ever even considered God and turned me away this exact same way. I am thankful that He didn’t so easily just write me off like that, and I feel I should show that same compassion to others that may be deemed “lost beyond all hope”. Simple as that.

If a person can't be shown their very basic error how can they be led to Christ? by hearing the word and seeing how His people act.

 

[Chica]

Rubbish. This is absolute nonsense. Defending homosexuality is nothing more than a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection.

You're wrong on both counts. My husband had a cousin that had a son and he said when the boy was three years old he knew there was something very, very different about him. He didn't want to do boy things but wanted to play dolls with his girl cousin. He had two brothers that football players and into all the male things. It is not a learned behaviour since this was in the "60's" and they lived in a small ranching community, I doubt the child had any interaction with homosexuals.

It should be looked at as birth defect. Parents shouldn't just take it for granted and need to work with their lesbian and male homosexual children and teach them that they have to remain celibate from homosexual encounters.

 

[Chica]

To me its wrong to hide your feelings and be ashamed because of religion. Put yourself before god. Would you rather accept yourself or be miserable pretending to be straight. And tbh who would choose to hated and discriminated?

A person doesn't have to pretend to be straight. I hate ministries that claim they have changed a homosexual and they now are heterosexual, if that happens it is only by the grace of God they are released form their passions.

 

[Chica]

Being gay is not a choice. I for one can confirm this. I never choose to be gay. I held it in for years before coming out. Tbh idk where people think its an abomination.

Please hear me Pinkie. I truly believe what you suffer from is a birth defect. Maybe not in my or your time but some day I believe the medical community will figure out what went wrong. Acting on your homosexual urges is a sin, you have to learn to be celibate and abstain from homosexual encounters.

 

[Chica]

I mean most of gods sins are disregarded since most involve killing half the human species. To me the bible shouldn't reflect how you judge people.

That's not God's fault and the Bible is good guide to what is pleasing to God.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ok, I never called him a "Brother in Christ", I was talking about y'all when I said that. And I will call out anyone I feel isn't representing Christ the right way, as I'm sure any of us would, you have no problem calling me out for saying we should be more loving and gospel sharing instead of just pushing people away off the jump because we don’t like what they believe. Like I said if the Spirit leads you to write people off that fast and never even try to show His love and patience with each and every one of us then you can act accordingly, but my points obviously hit a nerve with you, ever wonder why me promoting being more loving to all offends you so much? I take back nothing I said and meant it 100%. I don't share your view at all, sorry if you don't like it.

I have not read through this whole thread yet, and have only read a few posts.
This quote right here that I bolded and underlined I had to comment on, because if the spirit that is directing a person is telling them what you said here Jimbone. Then I would not put a capitol "s" on that, because if the spirit is leading a person to show no love to another and to oust them right away without sharing the word first. Then it is not the Holy Spirit !!!