Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[oldhermit]

You're wrong on both counts. My husband had a cousin that had a son and he said when the boy was three years old he knew there was something very, very different about him. He didn't want to do boy things but wanted to play dolls with his girl cousin. He had two brothers that football players and into all the male things. It is not a learned behaviour since this was in the "60's" and they lived in a small ranching community, I doubt the child had any interaction with homosexuals.

It should be looked at as birth defect. Parents shouldn't just take it for granted and need to work with their lesbian and male homosexual children and teach them that they have to remain celibate from homosexual encounters.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

All of these corrupt behaviors were changed by those in Corinth because they made a conscious choice to do so. These behaviors are not acceptable and are non-excusable. The Word of God stands as a set of behavioral constraints that teach us what behavior in acceptable to God and that which is not acceptable. Those who practice any or all of the deviant behaviors have a choice to make. They can either choose to repent and cease their behavior and turn to the Lord or they can continue those behaviors and be condemned by him. The CHOICE is theirs.

 

[Chica]

Because you want to say that people should base their life and disregard their true feelings just to make this imaginary person happy.

Pinkie I believe that the Bible is true and God made male and female and Jesus said:

Have ye not read, that he made them at the beginning Made them male and female........Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matt.19:4,6

Hasn't it ever crossed you mind that propogation of our species is through sexual intercourse? How can a male and male or a female and female produce children? It's not possible.

 

[Chica]

If this god wanted all species to obey then why tell one species and not tell the others. Homosexuality is in plenty of species, you don't see these species making churches. You see where your god logic is flawed

You're putting yourself on the level of an "earthworm"? Only man was created in the image of God.

 

[Joshua_Generation]

Rubbish. This is absolute nonsense. Defending homosexuality is nothing more than a rationalization process by which people attempt to normalize deviant choices that cannot be justified through any psychological exercise. This is simply an attempt to placate a conscience that cannot harmonize the thing one desires and the moral limitations that prohibit the behavior. Homosexuality is not a biological issue, it is a sin issue. It is not socially acceptable behavior, it is a social and moral disgrace. Homosexuality is not an illness nor is it some type of genetic abnormality. It is certainly not engineered biologically at birth. Homosexuals are NOT born gay. This is nothing more than an attempt to appeal to the scientific community and call them as a witness against the defense of scripture to defend this perverted behavior. Homosexuality is a learned behavior and a matter of choice, not a predilection. There is no "pride" in it, nor should it be afforded any measure of dignity. IT IS SIN and in the end it will destroy all who engage in it or stand in its defense. Attempting to explain it away scientifically is simply an attempt to excuse the behavior and marginalize it's shame.

Yes homosexuality is a SIN.

Prison populations prove Homosexuality is also a CHOICE.

 

[kennethcadwell]

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

All of these corrupt behaviors were changed by those in Corinth because they made a conscious choice to do so. These behaviors are not acceptable and are non-excusable. The Word of God stands as a set of behavioral constraints that teach us what behavior in acceptable to God and that which is not acceptable. Those who practice any or all of the deviant behaviors have a choice to make. They can either choose to repent and cease their behavior and turn to the Lord or they can continue those behaviors and be condemned by him. The CHOICE is theirs.

Oldhermit you are right in what you say here that these behaviors are not acceptable.

The issue arises though that if a person feels they are attracted to the same sex, the bible makes it very clear that those who give into those lustful feelings and as the bible states it practices such things. Then those who will not receive eternal life, and this applies to all sinful behaviors.

Those who feel that they are homosexual but never give into those lusts and live a life of celibacy, and never get into a homosexual relationship then those will still inherit eternal life. Just having the lustful feelings is not enough to cost one salvation, it is rather or not they constantly give into those lust that will.

 

[Chica]

This guy is not looking for answers or truth. He has absolutely not regard for the Word of God and regards God as nothing more than an imaginary fairy tale. This guy is selling homosexuality and he needs to be removed from this site.

Confused people are always trying to sell something.

 

[valiant]

Homosexuality is certainly a choice. And it is a wrong choice if it leads to a same-sex sexual relationship because God has made that plain (Rom 1.25-26). I do not doubt that men and women have tendencies that make them favour their own sex, or to behave like the opposite sex. Those in themselves are not sinful. But they still choose whether they will follow them. Lifelong sexual abstinence is not unknown. It should be practised by those who can find no satisfaction in the opposite sex. Let them rather seek the Lord with all their heart.

 

[Edwin]

with all respect(value) to you as a person if we make the choice of using the Christian bible as the standard to make our decisions we will come to the conclusion that according to God he created male and female. When adam disobeyed Gods word Adams nature change and with that change came with the potential for every human being to be corrupted in every area in life including sexuality. Therefore the corrupt sinful nature of man can choose to go any direction they want to by choice. What is a nature the essential characteristics of a thing or person. Adam in the state in which God created him had the nature of God himself until the act of sin that Adam committed. The act of sin changed the very nature of Adam and in this state man could fully indulge in any act that was opposed to God willfully and freely without even knowing it was wrong. That is one of the reasons God had to give moses commandments to show the nature of God which is righteousness and holiness which you receive once again when you accept Jesus Christ as Savior not only the forgiveness of sin but also a new spiritual nature that we call born again.

 

[Chica]

Jimbone, I certainly applaud you compassion and your tenderness of heart, These are most admirable traits but there comes a time in which we are all confronted with the decision concerning when to "not give that which is holy to the dogs" and dust our feet of such influences. This too, is a divine mandate.

But Jesus said unto her, Let the children frist be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it unto the dogs. And she answered and said unto him, Yes Lord:

Yet the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs. Mark 7:27,28

We were all dogs until the Holy Spirit ministered to us about the glorius Gospel.

 

[Chica]

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

All of these corrupt behaviors were changed by those in Corinth because they made a conscious choice to do so. These behaviors are not acceptable and are non-excusable. The Word of God stands as a set of behavioral constraints that teach us what behavior in acceptable to God and that which is not acceptable. Those who practice any or all of the deviant behaviors have a choice to make. They can either choose to repent and cease their behavior and turn to the Lord or they can continue those behaviors and be condemned by him. The CHOICE is theirs.

Sirkism:

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.

 

[oldhermit]

Oldhermit you are right in what you say here that these behaviors are not acceptable.

The issue arises though that if a person feels they are attracted to the same sex, the bible makes it very clear that those who give into those lustful feelings and as the bible states it practices such things. Then those who will not receive eternal life, and this applies to all sinful behaviors.

Those who feel that they are homosexual but never give into those lusts and live a life of celibacy, and never get into a homosexual relationship then those will still inherit eternal life. Just having the lustful feelings is not enough to cost one salvation, it is rather or not they constantly give into those lust that will.

It never ceases to amaze me that people will attempt to use the argument of predilection to defend or excuse homosexual behavior. ALL sin is a predilection, this does not mean the one who murders was born with the innate desire to kill someone. There are psychological reasons why behavioral patterns surface but this does not mean they are prenatal. Even if we concede for just a moment to possibility that sin, whether it be homosexuality or whatever strikes ones fancy, is a prenatal condition for which the individual has not control. This neither validates the desire not excuses the behavior. Temptation toward sin, in this case homosexuality, is not the fault of a prenatal predilection nor can it be blamed on God. All temptation comes from Satan. "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one." James 1:3. Anytime one surrenders to temptation, even if that desire is a prenatal predilection, it is sin and bears the condemnation of God. Scripture is given to us so that we will know the difference between evil behavior and good behavior. Which one we choose can have eternal consequences.

 

[Utah]

Sirkism:

Have you ever gone gopher hunting? I used to run backwards faster than I can run forwards. Ohh look...a monkey.

That's hysterical! I don't know what you mean, but ignorance on my part is bliss!

 

[kennethcadwell]

It never ceases to amaze me that people will attempt to use the argument of predilection to defend or excuse homosexual behavior. ALL sin is a predilection, this does not mean the one who murders was born with the innate desire to kill someone. There are psychological reasons why behavioral patterns surface but this does not mean they are prenatal. Even if we concede for just a moment to possibility that sin, whether it be homosexuality or whatever strikes ones fancy, is a prenatal condition for which the individual has not control. This neither validates the desire not excuses the behavior. Temptation toward sin, in this case homosexuality, is not the fault of a prenatal predilection nor can it be blamed on God. All temptation comes from Satan. "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one." James 1:3. Anytime one surrenders to temptation, even if that desire is a prenatal predilection, it is sin and bears the condemnation of God. Scripture is given to us so that we will know the difference between evil behavior and good behavior. Which one we choose can have eternal consequences.

Your debate toward me is flawed because I never said these people were born this way, because I do not and will not ever believe that. For no baby or toddler is sitting in their crib having lustful thoughts of what gender of person they are sexually attracted to. So I do not agree with those who say they are born this way.

However with that being said and you only given the first part of that whole passage in James 1, you must keep reading on.
If a person with homosexual feelings never give into those lustful feelings and stay out of a homosexual relationship and do not have homosexual activity then they are not living in sin and therefore will get eternal life if their faith is in Christ.

This goes for any one of us oldhermit, if you continue the rest of your life with the thought that you want to kill somebody but you never give into that wrongful thinking it is not going to cost you your salvation. For you are not living in sin as thoughts are not sins. Lustful feelings are sins but if you or anybody else who has lustful feelings learns to and never gives into those feelings than they are not obeying the flesh.

Once again I am not excusing the behavior of homosexuality, but what we all must learn is it is those who continue to give into and obey those lustful feelings that will not get eternal life.

Those who have them but never give into them and learn to abstain from them will get eternal life.
We can not just go and write people off because of the sin they are currently in, for if that be the case then you might as well as write everybody off when it comes to salvation. If a person continues their life as a habitual liar will end up in the lake of fire as well as those of homosexuality who continue to give into this sinful lifestyle. The key is continuing in those sinful lifestyle !!!

 

[Chica]

That's hysterical! I don't know what you mean, but ignorance on my part is bliss!

I figure, why let a good thing go to waste. Perfect for blah, blah, blah, or yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

[oldhermit]

Your debate toward me is flawed because I never said these people were born this way, because I do not and will not ever believe that. For no baby or toddler is sitting in their crib having lustful thoughts of what gender of person they are sexually attracted to. So I do not agree with those who say they are born this way.

However with that being said and you only given the first part of that whole passage in James 1, you must keep reading on.
If a person with homosexual feelings never give into those lustful feelings and stay out of a homosexual relationship and do not have homosexual activity then they are not living in sin and therefore will get eternal life if their faith is in Christ.

This goes for any one of us oldhermit, if you continue the rest of your life with the thought that you want to kill somebody but you never give into that wrongful thinking it is not going to cost you your salvation. For you are not living in sin as thoughts are not sins. Lustful feelings are sins but if you or anybody else who has lustful feelings learns to and never gives into those feelings than they are not obeying the flesh.

Once again I am not excusing the behavior of homosexuality, but what we all must learn is it is those who continue to give into and obey those lustful feelings that will not get eternal life.

Those who have them but never give into them and learn to abstain from them will get eternal life.
We can not just go and write people off because of the sin they are currently in, for if that be the case then you might as well as write everybody off when it comes to salvation. If a person continues their life as a habitual liar will end up in the lake of fire as well as those of homosexuality who continue to give into this sinful lifestyle. The key is continuing in those sinful lifestyle !!!

I am sorry you misunderstood. I was not disagreeing with you. I was agreeing with you.

 

[Tankman131]

I struggled with homosexual desires in the past and as i began questioning their source i found this:
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L41.pdf
i myself fell into homosexual desires due to a loneliness, a great deal of porn, and some other emotional issues. Once i began dealing with these core problems and through God's grace i no longer have any homosexual desires at all.

Between my own experience, my research into the science and studies of homosexuality, and some (admittedly anecdotal) sources of gay friends telling me why they are gay, ive come to the conclusion homosexuality is a nurture action. The willingness to commit the sin is in our sin nature but homosexuality is an environmentally caused/influenced one.

Either way. OP came here to troll and because of that they are not open to discussion at all... Right now...

Should this thread be closed? Yeah probably.
should this person be banned? I dont know.

if they are only here to attack and start fires they should be banned, but if they are willing to sit down and talk, no they shouldnt

 

[Tankman131]

But Jesus said unto her, Let the children frist be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it unto the dogs. And she answered and said unto him, Yes Lord:

Yet the dogs under the table eat the children's crumbs. Mark 7:27,28

We were all dogs until the Holy Spirit ministered to us about the glorius Gospel.

Please use context. She is calling herself a dog as a way to humble herself saying she only deserves the crumbs. The verse hermit is referencing the pearls before swine and holy before dogs is actually in context Of this conversation

 

[kennethcadwell]

I am sorry you misunderstood. I was not disagreeing with you. I was agreeing with you.

OK, yes I took it that you were just automatically writing of these people rather or not they give into those lustful desires.
I also though you were thinking that I believed a person was born that way, but that is a worldly man made twist of a lustful desire. It is also used by the new age church that is drowning deep in apostate teaching !!!

 

[phil38111]

Every argument u can make for homosexuals you can also make the same arguments for pedophiles.

 

[Angela53510]

There is a man in my church who is obviously effiminate. He probably was "born" gay. I heard his testimony, and when God saved him, he made the CHOICE to be straight.

He has been married for 25 years. They have children, and he is a valued member of the church. He is one of the happiest, kindest people in the congregation.

God can save and change anyone. Not necessarily the outward appearance, but the heart, and the behaviour that proceeds from the heart.

The OP seems to have left this thread. But I do pray he will hear and know that God loves him, and can save him, and help him live a life acceptable to God - and that means leaving the homosexual lifestyle. And the Holy Spirit will give him the power to do it!