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This is being seen a lot of late here, people proclaiming themselves charismatics in spitting rages, and it's a lot like some of the "preachers gone wild" emotional, Pentecostal stuff on YouTube. They're not being a very good advertisement for their beliefs, seem very angry, most all the time, which seems to uphold the claims of irrational emotionalism, that is not of the Spirit. I don't think any splinter, "chosen few" church has anything but delusions, myself, the Holy Spirit not singling out certain buildings to inhabit.
If all these people are so transparent and honest in their dealings...if they have so much integrity, then why are they too proud to subject their financials to the scrutiny of a CHRISTIAN oversight organization? There are plenty of large churches and para-church organizations that submit to such scrutiny.
Additionally, if they are so full of integrity, why do they claim that non-churches are churches so they can escape the scrutiny of the federal government as well. Daystar Television Network claims to be a church and therefore pays NO taxes. People grumble all the time about the poor and how undeserving they are of welfare money, but this CORPORATION makes a quarter of a BILLION dollars a year....yeah, that was with a B. They pay ZERO taxes for this income. The owners of this company live in a SIX MILLION dollar home that they call a "parsonage," so they pay no taxes on that. Do any of you know of a Lutheran minister, Catholic priest, Anglican vicar, or Methodist pastor who lives in a six million dollar parsonage?
Why is this sort of dodgy behavior glossed over by so many of the slavish followers of these people. Oh yeah...it's because they're slavish followers who've checked their brains and their own integrity at the door. It's almost like people who get in abusive relationships...they enable the abuser and stick around because they "love" that person. There's no regard for a basic level of human decency, let alone the application of biblical principals.
And, as an aside, I'm curious about why someone would be so devoted to a person who is engaged in a (dodgy) distant ministry. I wonder sometimes if they engage in this level of devotion with their own neighborhoods and local ministries that could probably use the Christian service.
Additionally, if they are so full of integrity, why do they claim that non-churches are churches so they can escape the scrutiny of the federal government as well. Daystar Television Network claims to be a church and therefore pays NO taxes. People grumble all the time about the poor and how undeserving they are of welfare money, but this CORPORATION makes a quarter of a BILLION dollars a year....yeah, that was with a B. They pay ZERO taxes for this income. The owners of this company live in a SIX MILLION dollar home that they call a "parsonage," so they pay no taxes on that. Do any of you know of a Lutheran minister, Catholic priest, Anglican vicar, or Methodist pastor who lives in a six million dollar parsonage?
Why is this sort of dodgy behavior glossed over by so many of the slavish followers of these people. Oh yeah...it's because they're slavish followers who've checked their brains and their own integrity at the door. It's almost like people who get in abusive relationships...they enable the abuser and stick around because they "love" that person. There's no regard for a basic level of human decency, let alone the application of biblical principals.
And, as an aside, I'm curious about why someone would be so devoted to a person who is engaged in a (dodgy) distant ministry. I wonder sometimes if they engage in this level of devotion with their own neighborhoods and local ministries that could probably use the Christian service.
Hmm! I agreed we need to "keep on being filled" by the Holy Spirit, even quoting the Greek to support it, and you think that I deny that verse??
Do you even read other people's posts, or do you just judge, condemn and rage? Very peculiar!
Still not finding any support in your posts regarding the supposed "Baptism of the Holy Spirit." But of course, you can't support it because it is not found in the Bible. Nor all the claptrap that goes with that lie from the pit of hell.
You truly don't know what you're railing against. Yes, every born again believer has the indwelling Holy Spirit, but not all have experienced His baptism, and His overflowing abundance, or His anointing.
I do not have an angry, defensive spirit. I stand against people like you for the sake of Jesus Christ and for the sake of those who just might be influenced by your malice toward well-known, God-blessed and God-appointed workers in the Body of Christ. Sometimes they may make a mistake in their teaching. Does that mean you have to stone them and label them false? Many of the posts in this thread that include links are simply out-of context and out-of date links that mean nothing today, as the teachers in question have moved on, but of course, people with an agenda to tear down, rather than build up will continue to harp away at some ancient error that has already been corrected and shored up by the Spirit's doing. But the weak among us cannot see that. They wail and cajole and mock out of their spiritual babyishness.
Grow up.
I do not have an angry, defensive spirit. I stand against people like you for the sake of Jesus Christ and for the sake of those who just might be influenced by your malice toward well-known, God-blessed and God-appointed workers in the Body of Christ. Sometimes they may make a mistake in their teaching. Does that mean you have to stone them and label them false? Many of the posts in this thread that include links are simply out-of context and out-of date links that mean nothing today, as the teachers in question have moved on, but of course, people with an agenda to tear down, rather than build up will continue to harp away at some ancient error that has already been corrected and shored up by the Spirit's doing. But the weak among us cannot see that. They wail and cajole and mock out of their spiritual babyishness.
Grow up.
This is often what charismatics will say, but I've never seen them be able to actually back it up with scripture. Typically it's said to people who do not speak in tongues because a goodly number of charismatics adhere to the idea that speaking in tongues is THE evidence of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit." However, the bible doesn't support this.
Additionally, it makes ZERO theological sense that God would give a believer the deposit of the Holy Spirit only to have that spirit lay "dormant" in a believer. Like HUMANS are the superhero who "activate" the Holy Spirit by what is it exactly that we do to activate it? God is not subject to human behavior. These theological ideas are not reflected in the numerous writings of the historic church. They reflect thinking that is only slightly over 100 years old.
Additionally, it makes ZERO theological sense that God would give a believer the deposit of the Holy Spirit only to have that spirit lay "dormant" in a believer. Like HUMANS are the superhero who "activate" the Holy Spirit by what is it exactly that we do to activate it? God is not subject to human behavior. These theological ideas are not reflected in the numerous writings of the historic church. They reflect thinking that is only slightly over 100 years old.
This is a forum labelled BIBLE Discussion.
If your viewpoint is so theologically sound, it should require very little effort on your part to provide the scriptural support for that view.
It's sloppy scholarship and dismissive behavior to tell someone to simply read a portion of the bible (that they've likely already read) instead of presently a logical explanation of your beliefs supported with scripture.
If your viewpoint is so theologically sound, it should require very little effort on your part to provide the scriptural support for that view.
It's sloppy scholarship and dismissive behavior to tell someone to simply read a portion of the bible (that they've likely already read) instead of presently a logical explanation of your beliefs supported with scripture.